Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I got the impression that what Andy is saying is that if clubs meet our valuation for players they will be sold. Our league position is not being taken into consideration.

A valuation takes different factors into account. He's worth differing amounts depending on the situation of the seller and the buyer.

 

[Toronto Blade fan]

I don't believe for one second that the Prince would sell Berge without bringing in one or two players. it's possible the team feels we would be better off selling to bring in O'Brian and a striker.

 

[Pedro Verde]

The prince would not be selling off the company assets in isolation, it will have been agreed with the new buyer the criteria within which the “company“ has to work.

So the 'new buyer' has potentially agreed to the sale of Berge if the rumours of his imminent departure are true ? I agree that would make sense financially but to the detriment of the playing squad

 

[bertieblade]

So the 'new buyer' has potentially agreed to the sale of Berge if the rumours of his imminent departure are true ? I agree that would make sense financially but to the detriment of the playing squad

I would fully expect that to be the case.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I don't believe for one second that the Prince would sell Berge without bringing in one or two players. it's possible the team feels we would be better off selling to bring in O'Brian and a striker.

Well there's 2 options and I think individuals should use their judgment to decide which is most likely

Option A
The club sees Berge as their most saleable asset, this would bring in the most money for the least on field damage to results.
So we sell Berge and spend some of the money bringing in potentially better replacements for Berge and Khadra (one being a loan).

Option B
The Prince has gone mad. He's deliberately trying to piss off the buyer hoping the deal falls through. Then he wants to stop us from being promoted and hopes to turn his back on £150 million a season in the PL and make it highly possible we could be back in league 1.

Anyhow...the good news is we won't have long to wait.

In 48 hours we might still not know who the owner is BUT we will have soon have a good insight into his capabilty.
Any competent new owner will already be focussed on his new very expensive business interest.
If we sell Berge with no replacements then that suggests either negligence and/or incompetence by the new owner.

Being realistic, this would be hard to believe. I fully expect us to have 1 or maybe even 2 incomings tomorrow, if Berge goes.
It is possible that Fulham might think we are desperate to sell and try to buy Berge on the cheap for £12 million, so we refuse and end up keeping him.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well there's 2 options and I think individuals should use their judgment to decide which is most likely

Option A
The club sees Berge as their most saleable asset, this would bring in the most money for the least on field damage to results.
So we sell Berge and spend some of the money bringing in potentially better replacements for Berge and Khadra (one being a loan).

Option B
The Prince has gone mad. He's deliberately trying to piss off the buyer hoping the deal falls through. Then he wants to stop us from being promoted and hopes to turn his back on £150 million a season in the PL and make it highly possible we could be back in league 1.

Those who “know” will plump for B because it saves having to explain how administration/asset stripping works.

 

[FranTheBlade]

Or, perhaps the Prince is openly threatening to sell assets unless the new owner pays the embargo bill. Pay it, or I sell your assets and pay it for you.

We know the Prince likes a little business brinkmanship, and tends to play hard in order to win. He’s ruthless.

I just don’t see how we can sell Berge with the lack of midfielders on the books for next season. We will have to spend serious money to replace him anyway.

I think he has the new owner over a barrel of money. No pun intended

 

[Toronto Blade fan]

The Prince has done nothing to suggest he would do that in the years of being with us. We have held on to all our prized assets. The only real asset we sold was Ramsdale - and to which we had mighty Wes step up and do brilliantly for us.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Or, perhaps the Prince is openly threatening to sell assets unless the new owner pays the embargo bill. Pay it, or I sell your assets and pay it for you.

We know the Prince likes a little business brinkmanship, and tends to play hard in order to win. He’s ruthless.

I just don’t see how we can sell Berge with the lack of midfielders on the books for next season. We will have to spend serious money to replace him anyway.

I think he has the new owner over a barrel of money. No pun intended

Until the deal is signed he’s selling his own intangible assets.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The Prince has done nothing to suggest he would do that in the years of being with us. We have held on to all our prized assets. The only real asset we sold was Ramsdale - and to which we had mighty Wes step up and do brilliantly for us.

Ramsdale wanted out and refused to play.

 

[South Sea Blade]

Become a true Blades legend Sander and tell them all to foxtrot oscar....I'm staying with Dem Blades and we're going up!!!!

 

[ThatJa]

The Prince has done nothing to suggest he would do that in the years of being with us. We have held on to all our prized assets. The only real asset we sold was Ramsdale - and to which we had mighty Wes step up and do brilliantly for us.

Getting 30mill for Ramsdale was fucking great business.

We're due 4million if they win the league, too.

 

[FranTheBlade]

Until the deal is signed he’s selling his own intangible assets.

Of course. That’s the beauty of the situation for him. Give me what I want or I’ll sell.

 

[Toronto Blade fan]

Ramsdale wanted out and refused to play.

And we managed to get some decent $

 

[Tuns25]

So the 'new buyer' has potentially agreed to the sale of Berge if the rumours of his imminent departure are true ? I agree that would make sense financially but to the detriment of the playing squad

Though many fans would argue that if and it's a big if, we have two quality players coming in to replace him at a fraction of the Berge fee who can give a more consistent quality for the run in then it's potentially a decent move on playing front.

That would not be quite as mad as some of our other deadline day disasters.

 

[Balti Pie]

Well there's 2 options and I think individuals should use their judgment to decide which is most likely

Option A
The club sees Berge as their most saleable asset, this would bring in the most money for the least on field damage to results.
So we sell Berge and spend some of the money bringing in potentially better replacements for Berge and Khadra (one being a loan).

Option B
The Prince has gone mad. He's deliberately trying to piss off the buyer hoping the deal falls through. Then he wants to stop us from being promoted and hopes to turn his back on £150 million a season in the PL and make it highly possible we could be back in league 1.

Anyhow...the good news is we won't have long to wait.

In 48 hours we might still not know who the owner is BUT we will have soon have a good insight into his capabilty.
Any competent new owner will already be focussed on his new very expensive business interest.
If we sell Berge with no replacements then that suggests either negligence and/or incompetence by the new owner.

Being realistic, this would be hard to believe. I fully expect us to have 1 or maybe even 2 incomings tomorrow, if Berge goes.
It is possible that Fulham might think we are desperate to sell and try to buy Berge on the cheap for £12 million, so we refuse and end up keeping him.

Put yourself in the shoes of the prospective new owner:
You've paid a deposit towards the purchase of the club, rumoured to be £10m.
You've also invested some money towards the running of the club whilst the takeover is being finalised (as widely reported by Nathaniel Hummingbird and several ITK people on here).
You know that there are still several weeks of this transitional period to go where the EFL are assessing your financial credentials for running the club for the next few years.
There is no guarantee that you will pass this assessment, and therefore the takeover may not happen at all.
Before the end of this EFL assessment there is a large bill to be paid to ensure that the current soft embargo is not escalated to a full-on multiple transfer window embargo - which would be disasterous for the club.
Do you plow yet more money into a club that you do not own?
Or do you authorise the sale of an asset to cover the running costs and embargo bill, with possibly some left over to replace said asset with a loan player of a similar quality?

 

[Greg.]

I remember when I used to play Football Manager sometimes trying to sell players I wanted to get rid of, but them then rejecting contract offers from the new clubs and messing up my transfer budget plans - Luke Freeman was one who was determined to stay and fight for his place in an old SUFC save

 

[FranTheBlade]

Also, it comes down to the fact that the new owners were supposed to find the club from ‘agreement to completion’. This is the Prince’s way of reminding them, I guess. I’m hoping it’s a bluff and we keep all of our players. UTB!

 

[Freethinker]

Baiting him? Since when is asking a question baiting?

Also, it's a football forum not a court of law. Easy enough to ignore me or tell me to bugger off

You and the usual suspects looking for a reaction to be-little someone

 

[Blade56]

In both cases, the simplest answer as to why we're trying to sell Berge is that we need the money.

Occam’s Razor

 

[brownblade]

You and the usual suspects looking for a reaction to be-little someone

Seemed a fair question... Why is the Prince allegedly trying to screw United suddenly?

It seems Andy has moved from (possible) facts to (apparently) opinions. So just looking for clarity as forum users have shown Andy respect and trust.

 

[Razor_Blade]

Getting 30mill for Ramsdale was fucking great business.

We're due 4million if they win the league, too.

Just need him to get a few England caps too...

 

[mcbladeface]

Or, perhaps the Prince is openly threatening to sell assets unless the new owner pays the embargo bill. Pay it, or I sell your assets and pay it for you.

We know the Prince likes a little business brinkmanship, and tends to play hard in order to win. He’s ruthless.

I just don’t see how we can sell Berge with the lack of midfielders on the books for next season. We will have to spend serious money to replace him anyway.

I think he has the new owner over a barrel of money. No pun intended

Of course. That’s the beauty of the situation for him. Give me what I want or I’ll sell.

That's like saying to the potential buyer of your house that you're going to start ripping slates off the roof unless they hurry up and pay the solicitor fees.

 

[FranTheBlade]

That's like saying to the potential buyer of your house that you're going to start ripping slates off the roof unless they hurry up and pay the solicitor fees.

Yes. However, the new buyer agreed to fund the club from agreement to completion.

 

[bertieblade]

Yes. However, the new buyer agreed to fund the club from agreement to completion.

Possibly so but only if other conditions were adhered to.

 

[BouncinBlade]

We can probably get by with blooding Coulibaly this season. Also still got Fleck to return.

Not an ideal situation overall with permanent squad members for the long term. But we're in a better position than many teams.

He’s not proven at all

 

[Keen Blade]

Just musing over what has to happen tomorrow in order for Berge to be sold and (rumoured) 2 players brought in , maybe one permanent or loan with obligation to buy and another on simple loan.
Berge has to have medical & agree terms.
Then we have to physically receive enough of the fee in order to pay EFL and get embargo lifted.
Then our incomers have to have medicals & agree terms.
Then we have to pay a portion of transfer fee and/or loan fee.
I know we live in a world of instant money transfers , but the embargo side of things depends on the EFL moving quickly to assist us in the process.
Is there anyone on here with a knowledge of the systems who thinks this can be achieved ?
Presumably Berge's sale has to go through by lunchtime to allow us to do the incomers' medicals ?

 

[Rodley]

Foxy. Can you vouch for Andy67? You are held in high esteem at our club for this site you run. I await your answer, as we all do but I think I'm the first to question this...Looking forward to your reply

Is Foxy ITK about Andy67 s ITKness? This is getting confusing!

 

[FranTheBlade]

Just musing over what has to happen tomorrow in order for Berge to be sold and (rumoured) 2 players brought in , maybe one permanent or loan with obligation to buy and another on simple loan.
Berge has to have medical & agree terms.
Then we have to physically receive enough of the fee in order to pay EFL and get embargo lifted.
Then our incomers have to have medicals & agree terms.
Then we have to pay a portion of transfer fee and/or loan fee.
I know we live in a world of instant money transfers , but the embargo side of things depends on the EFL moving quickly to assist us in the process.
Is there anyone on here with a knowledge of the systems who thinks this can be achieved ?
Presumably Berge's sale has to go through by lunchtime to allow us to do the incomers' medicals ?

Great points. That’s too many moving parts. Essentially, we have time to sell and not buy.

 

[robbiez666]

If Berge is worth £20 million and we sell him for £20 million then we have realised the full value of our asset. That's not asset stripping.