Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

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LondonBlade89 said:
I'd obviously sooner he didn't but if I was Klopp I'd absolutely bid £25 million for Sander Berge. Could see him working so well with Thiago and Henderson. There's a real balance there.
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Berge is not competitive enough for Liverpool. Doesn't put his foot in. Doesn't track back enough. Doesn't commit to tackles in the same way as any of those midfielders currently at Liverpool do. And tends to hide when the team are under the cosh. Klopp may be able to instill this in him but from what I've seen of him I don't think he can as this is just the Berge's DNA. It will be the main reason why he doesn't get to the top level. Which is a shame as some of his qualities are really top notch. Doesn't mean he won't end up at some other club who higher up the ladder than we are at the moment by the end of August though.
 

Creepy said:
Berge is not competitive enough for Liverpool. Doesn't put his foot in. Doesn't track back enough. Doesn't commit to tackles in the same way as any of those midfielders currently at Liverpool do. And tends to hide when the team are under the cosh. Klopp may be able to instill this in him but from what I've seen of him I don't think he can as this is just the Berge's DNA. It will be the main reason why he doesn't get to the top level. Which is a shame as some of his qualities are really top notch. Doesn't mean he won't end up at some other club who higher up the ladder than we are at the moment by the end of August though.
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I don't disagree with a lot of what you said but to be honest at £25 million I'd roll the dice that Klopp and the potential of success can instill it in him.
 
Had another quick scan of the Club Brugge forums/Flemish sports press just now, and there's barely any mention anymore of this particular rumour -- Brugge fans have long moved on to shitting themselves over Hans Vanaken leaving for West Ham to the same heights as we are over Sander going anywhere!

In fact, the last time he was even mentioned on their forum was over a week ago, and even then, their fans seemed pretty lukewarm about the whole idea.

It's probably worth remembering as well that Club Brugge/Anderlecht are essentially the Belgian equivalents of Man Utd/Chelsea etc in terms of sheer entitlement among their fanbases and the media attention they get, and their fans expect nothing less than to be linked with a series of big names at this time of year (Sander is still 'big' in Belgium due to his time at Genk), most of which are abandoned just as quickly (Arnautovich to Man Utd, anyone?). I don't doubt that Club Brugge made enquiries about him, but they do genuinely seem to have turned their attention elsewhere since.

Another week to go though... 😅
 
Charlieblade said:
I agree up to a point. As a Berge fan, I want him to stay, but realistically, even if we get promoted, that’s no guarantee of Champions league football.
After a really shitty time so far at United, he is starting to attract offers. He needs to be very careful with his next choice.
Big wages is one thing, but ambitious players with his quality need to find a club that can guarantee him the chance of winning the champions league.
There are very few clubs who can do that, in the PL or in Europe.
Man City, Bayern are the only teams I can think of with those prospects? Twelve months ago, you could probably add half a dozen clubs to that list. Very difficult decision for a clearly talented young player.
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So you think Berge should / will only consider moving to Man City or Bayern? Therefore he should / will choose to stay at Utd even if teams like PSG, Barca, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, Dortmund, Juve and of course the current Champ League holders, Madrid express an interest??? Do you actually believe that?

Realistically, he'd move to pretty much any Prem Club and >50% clubs in the top divisions on Spain, Italy, Germany as well as a number of clubs in Netherlands, France, Portugal and, it appears, Belgium.
 
Mouth of the South said:
So you think Berge should / will only consider moving to Man City or Bayern? Therefore he should / will choose to stay at Utd even if teams like PSG, Barca, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, Dortmund, Juve and of course the current Champ League holders, Madrid express an interest??? Do you actually believe that?

Realistically, he'd move to pretty much any Prem Club and >50% clubs in the top divisions on Spain, Italy, Germany as well as a number of clubs in Netherlands, France, Portugal and, it appears, Belgium.
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Agree, Berge is good but he's not that good.

He'll only ever play in the Champions League if he joins a minor league, like Belgium, Norway, Sweden etc or someone like Rangers or Celtic in Scotland.

Berge best bet might be to play with us in the PL next season and if he plays well (which is no certainty) then he'll go to a bigger club in the PL.
If could always let his contract run down and do a Lundstrum playing for Rangers where he can enjoy life and dominate against weak opposition.
 
Mouth of the South said:
So you think Berge should / will only consider moving to Man City or Bayern? Therefore he should / will choose to stay at Utd even if teams like PSG, Barca, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, Dortmund, Juve and of course the current Champ League holders, Madrid express an interest??? Do you actually believe that?

Realistically, he'd move to pretty much any Prem Club and >50% clubs in the top divisions on Spain, Italy, Germany as well as a number of clubs in Netherlands, France, Portugal and, it appears, Belgium.
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I have explained my reasoning. It depends on what he really wants in the future. Simple really. Plenty of clubs can pay big wages, but only a few can pretty much guarantee him the final stages of champions league football, if they are still at the top table, and if they want him of course.
Look how Barca have imploded recently. Real are not the side they used to be. PSG have plenty of money, but can’t attract a top manager. The top table is going through a transition. Not an easy decision for Berge.
 
Charlieblade said:
I have explained my reasoning. It depends on what he really wants in the future. Simple really. Plenty of clubs can pay big wages, but only a few can pretty much guarantee him the final stages of champions league football, if they are still at the top table, and if they want him of course.
Look how Barca have imploded recently. Real are not the side they used to be. PSG have plenty of money, but can’t attract a top manager. The top table is going through a transition. Not an easy decision for Berge.
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I think you may overestimate Berge's level - he's undoubtedly a good player and deserves be playing higher than the Champ but IMHO is still quite some way off the highest level i.e. knock-out stages of Champs League.

Not wanting to be rude but thinking he'll be happy to remain at Utd until/unless one of a very select number of clubs (2 in your view) make an offer is verging on the ridiculous.

Taking a couple of examples that you call out - do you really think he'd not want to go to Madrid (not sure why you feel they aren't the side they used to be - they've won 2 of 2 this season since winning the Champs League last season) nor choose to play with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe at PSG just because they have Galtier in charge? You may need to take off your red & white tinted glasses if you think he'd prefer to spend his time playing in the Champ, spending 80% of his time at Shirecliffe and earning 20-30% of what he could earn elsewhere.
 
Mouth of the South said:
I think you may overestimate Berge's level - he's undoubtedly a good player and deserves be playing higher than the Champ but IMHO is still quite some way off the highest level i.e. knock-out stages of Champs League.

Not wanting to be rude but thinking he'll be happy to remain at Utd until/unless one of a very select number of clubs (2 in your view) make an offer is verging on the ridiculous.

Taking a couple of examples that you call out - do you really think he'd not want to go to Madrid (not sure why you feel they aren't the side they used to be - they've won 2 of 2 this season since winning the Champs League last season) nor choose to play with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe at PSG just because they have Galtier in charge? You may need to take off your red & white tinted glasses if you think he'd prefer to spend his time playing in the Champ, spending 80% of his time at Shirecliffe and earning 20-30% of what he could earn elsewhere.
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Big picture right?
At no point did I even suggest that Berge might stay at United beyond this season.

He is a young, talented footballer with ambition. I hope you don’t find that statement too disagreeable?

Covid and unfortunate injuries have already lost him a couple of years advancement.

If his ambition is to compete in a top team, with champions league aspirations, my comments hold true. He clearly understands his current situation, but has limited time to achieve his ambition.

As I pointed out previously, he could go almost anywhere in Europe for the money. I happen to believe that he is not only a baller of a high order, but also a very serious and sensible young man.

Within a finite career, he can only achieve his ambition, realistically, with a diminishing number of clubs.

It is not my intention to cause offence, but I hope you can understand my point of view from his perspective?

He, and his agent can always make a decent wedge wherever he goes. He is clearly an intelligent and ambitious young man. Players of much less rounded ability and thinking, have used the CL as a reason for a move. Truth is, very few will achieve it.

His future almost certainly lies elsewhere. Hopefully after he has helped get us promoted.
 
Charlieblade said:
Big picture right?
At no point did I even suggest that Berge might stay at United beyond this season.

He is a young, talented footballer with ambition. I hope you don’t find that statement too disagreeable?

Covid and unfortunate injuries have already lost him a couple of years advancement.

If his ambition is to compete in a top team, with champions league aspirations, my comments hold true. He clearly understands his current situation, but has limited time to achieve his ambition.

As I pointed out previously, he could go almost anywhere in Europe for the money. I happen to believe that he is not only a baller of a high order, but also a very serious and sensible young man.

Within a finite career, he can only achieve his ambition, realistically, with a diminishing number of clubs.

It is not my intention to cause offence, but I hope you can understand my point of view from his perspective?

He, and his agent can always make a decent wedge wherever he goes. He is clearly an intelligent and ambitious young man. Players of much less rounded ability and thinking, have used the CL as a reason for a move. Truth is, very few will achieve it.

His future almost certainly lies elsewhere. Hopefully after he has helped get us promoted.
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Of course Berge will aspire will perform at the highest level possible, as will 99.9% of all footballers. That said, I personally don't see him being good enough to play at the very highest level (I'd happily eat my words if he proves me wrong) and spending 2 seasons playing in the Champ (including suffering that nasty injury) will have done him no favours in being able to achieve that

Realistically, he is not going to get a move to an elite club - I will be very interested to see where he does end up going to though. Where we disagree Charlie is the likely level of the club he'd agree to. While you think he will / should wait for only 2 clubs, I feel he would probably move to 75+ other clubs.

For example, if Leicester, Wolfsburg or Atalanta came calling, made an acceptable offer to Utd and offered him £50k/week, do you think he'd say no? All play in the top tier in their respective countries but none are playing in Europe this season.
 
HVR said:
He might be worried about his International career, but Norway isn't exactly a 'Triple A' Nation. If we were struggling in the Championship, with poor players and tactics unsuitable for him, then I could understand him wanting to move on.
But in a team with skilful players around him, giving him time and the freedom to play his preferred style, being involved, creating assists, scoring goals and Sheffield Untied sitting at the top of the League - winning games and playing outstanding football - with video highlights beamed around the world - such as the goal on Saturday - then for the Manager of Norway, that surely will tweak his interest more than if Sander was sat on the bench at Everton?
But, as mentioned above, he might just want more money in his pocket, or his agent eyeing a nice cut of any transfer deal.
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Exactly, many minor nations have players playing in the Championship

Berge playing well in the Championship won't affect his international place at all

Moving to Liverpool, AC Milan, Man Utd, Barcelona or Real Madrid and getting four minutes of game time would.

Earning a fortune short term is one thing, but planning his career out properly is something else

A promotion to the Premier League and then a decent season there as the top man will do much more for his long term career IMO
 
LondonBlade89 said:
I'd obviously sooner he didn't but if I was Klopp I'd absolutely bid £25 million for Sander Berge. Could see him working so well with Thiago and Henderson. There's a real balance there.
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Liverpool are one of the best three teams in the world.

Sander Berge is not good enough to play for Liverpool.

Don’t worry about it.
 
We were a stepping stone for him when we were a small team punching above our weight in the EPL.

We've since sunk.

If he had the chance of a step up to any EPL team, he'd undoubtedly take it.

It seems unlikely that a top team will come in for him at his age and he's hardly pulled up trees for a sustained period.
 

I'm starting to become, slightly, more confident that Berge will stay now. With every passing day then the chance we'll sell becomes less although we've sold players before on deadline day - that was Kevin McCabe's speciality as a rule though!
 
robbiez666 said:
It seems unlikely that a top team will come in for him at his age and he's hardly pulled up trees for a sustained period.
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Agree, he has a nice running style, love how he glides when running and he's a calm passer of the ball with a great level headed personality.
However for me, he's been guilty of being laid back and hasn't grabbed games by the scruff of the neck.

Until recently Berge didn't even know his best position.
He played as defensive midfielder in Belgium but has been pretty average playing that position for us.
However moving him more forward and persuading him to try dribbling with the ball and be more offensive seems to have made him more effective.

However in my opinion he's still developing and learning the game.
He's clearly talented and has potential to have a decent career in a mid ranking PL club (someone like a Wolves or Villa).
Its only recently he's been showing signs why we decided to pay £20 million for him but still not seen enough to suggest he could ever play for a top 6 PL club though.

We might receive a £15 to £20 million bid for Berge but I would expect us to reject that amount and only consider something closer to £25 million.
However don't think we'll receive a £25 million bid from anyone, so I think he'll stay until Jan at least.
 
Mouth of the South said:
Of course Berge will aspire will perform at the highest level possible, as will 99.9% of all footballers. That said, I personally don't see him being good enough to play at the very highest level (I'd happily eat my words if he proves me wrong) and spending 2 seasons playing in the Champ (including suffering that nasty injury) will have done him no favours in being able to achieve that

Realistically, he is not going to get a move to an elite club - I will be very interested to see where he does end up going to though. Where we disagree Charlie is the likely level of the club he'd agree to. While you think he will / should wait for only 2 clubs, I feel he would probably move to 75+ other clubs.

For example, if Leicester, Wolfsburg or Atalanta came calling, made an acceptable offer to Utd and offered him £50k/week, do you think he'd say no? All play in the top tier in their respective countries but none are playing in Europe this season.
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Just a difference of opinion then. I did say he could follow the money, but my opinion is based on him being a genuinely decent bloke, who is talented, intelligent, and ambitious enough to go all the way, even if he is faced with declining opportunities to do so.

I would be surprised and delighted if he decides to stay at a PL Blades team!
 
robbiez666 said:
We were a stepping stone for him when we were a small team punching above our weight in the EPL.

We've since sunk.

If he had the chance of a step up to any EPL team, he'd undoubtedly take it.

It seems unlikely that a top team will come in for him at his age and he's hardly pulled up trees for a sustained period.
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Or, he’s got a good chance to play for a PL club next season with us if he continues to apply himself and develop to his full potential as an attacking MF Player.
 
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Blade56 said:
Or, he’s got a good chance to play for a PL club next season with us if he continues to apply himself and develop to his full potential as an attacking MF Player.
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If my options were:

Sign for a EPL club with the chance to play regularly, be on TV every week, earn an extra million and catch the eye of bigger suitors

or

stay with a Championship club who have a decent chance of going up, which they didn't take last season, and who got fucked sideways the last season they were up there playing in a way which didn't suit my style of play.

Not really a contest?

I mean, I don't really see why you'd stay for a second year.
 
robbiez666 said:
If my options were:

Sign for a EPL club with the chance to play regularly, be on TV every week, earn an extra million and catch the eye of bigger suitors

or

stay with a Championship club who have a decent chance of going up, which they didn't take last season, and who got fucked sideways the last season they were up there playing in a way which didn't suit my style of play.

Not really a contest?

I mean, I don't really see why you'd stay for a second year.
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Sad but true…

Also think its hard for us to convince players like Sander to stay because we’re not a “wealthy” club and he knows it. Even if we go up we are not:

(A) going to pay him anything like other PL clubs would; or

(B) go on a massive spending spree and surround him with top level talent.

Contrast to many other lower end PL and upper end Championship clubs who (thanks to big wealthy backers) can do both of the above.
 

Mouth of the South said:
So you think Berge should / will only consider moving to Man City or Bayern? Therefore he should / will choose to stay at Utd even if teams like PSG, Barca, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Atletico Madrid, Dortmund, Juve and of course the current Champ League holders, Madrid express an interest??? Do you actually believe that?

Realistically, he'd move to pretty much any Prem Club and >50% clubs in the top divisions on Spain, Italy, Germany as well as a number of clubs in Netherlands, France, Portugal and, it appears, Belgium.
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The vast majority of the clubs mentioned there are way above what we can / should hope for.
 
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