Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

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Would rather keep Sander of course.....but.....from day one he has been a square peg/round hole problem for us that we have never quite solved....capable of brilliance but just as capable of going missing for large chunks of a game, can't head the ball which for someone who is 6.5 is a huge weakness and nesh in the tackle. But the stats don't lie, we win more games with him than without him.

If a) it gets us out of this embarrassing embargo, b) allows the takeover to speed up, c) Hecky is allowed to strengthen midfield and up top before the window shuts and d) and most importantly.............allows us to keep Ndaiye..........then thanks Sander and good luck..
 

Eric_Brooks said:
Be pawng him to forest if we can and see if we can get obrien and Emmanuel Dennis in some form. There is nobody at Brighton or Fulham I want.

Brentford and lewis potter
Newcastle and the lad elliott but not much experience of football as yet.

Problem with selling berge and then getting a deal elsewhere is there are too many moving parts. Hecky needs to insist someone is part of the deal as we have read this book before
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We can't sign Dennis.

He can either continue to play for Forest or he cbs be loaned back to Watford. Not allowed to play for anyone else this season.
 
TomTheBlade1889 said:
The issue is replacing him. We have two players lined up but that relies on the embargo being lifted in time. If it is, and we can bring in a player of the calibre of Lewis O'Brien + the Khadra replacement that Hecky wants, then thats probably an improvement to the squad coming out of a bad situation.
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Regards transfer deals they are already lined up well in advance.
I would imagine we already have the 2 players lined up, ready to go.
So once Berge is sold, we can then immediately clear the debt with the EFL, then we instantly get the green light, the embargo is lifted and we sign our targets.
Now...we know things can go wrong at the last minute but I've no doubts regards targets we have option A, option B and option C.

TomTheBlade1889 said:
But the worrying thing for me is that this situation could've been a lot worse. What if Sander wasn't here? We would be in situation where we would have to sell someone like Ndiaye, which would be far more devastating.
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You can't really worry about what might have been.

The same rule would apply to N'Diaye too.
We would only sell him if a club meets our valuation and we have adequate replacements lined up.

N'Diaye is very different to Berge.
For our team Berge plays like a £15 mill player, where as N'Diaye plays like a £30 million plus player with potential to be far more.
However for other PL clubs it's possible that Berge is seen as having the higher value.

Berge has a good reputation, regular international and played well in the Champions League, so a £25 mill bid seems realistic.
If we can bring in the right players/ loanees then selling Berge for £25 mil might make us stronger and more likely to be promoted.

However I can't see any club offering £30 million for N'Diaye, he's a novice in comparison, untested in the PL and not even a regular international for Senegal.
If and when he plays in the PL and performs well, then his transfer value will dramatically increase.
Also even if we sold N'Diaye for £20 million don't think there's any way we can replace him with new signings, so it would be poor business.
 
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derekacorah said:
If he's going he wants to get fucked off quickly, the EFL can then be paid and we might have a chance of making a signing or two.
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Absolutely.

But the buyer will dictate the pace and it may be dependent on other business that they have going.

Fully expect it to go through late tomorrow, leaving us no time to sort anything else out.
 


Not sure if this has been posted before but makes a lot more sense if true. Sounds like the reason we are entertaining any bids for him is down to the fact that his release fee is likely to be triggered. Can't really argue with that if it's true. Also makes sense why the incoming owner wouldn't be able to just shit on the offers and tell the other clubs to jog on.
 
Just for the due process, all transfer fees go through a central fund. So its not a case of a club paying us and we do a runner with the money and not paying off the EFL. It is done automatically (and that in turn will release the embargo). The money goes into the central pot, any football related debts are settled first and then the remainder is paid to the club.
 
Embargo or no embargo, sell him. He's been a luxury that we didn't need who shows up once in a while. Overall he's been a massive flop, well shy of the price we paid and has only delivered the goods on a handful of occassions every now and then, when he's not injured. If it means signing no one and keeping Ndiaye then sell him.

When you look back at what Wilder spent and on who over the two seasons in the Premier League, it paints an awful picture. Barely any of them commanded a first team start or improved the team consistently, Berge included.

2019/20:
Osborn, McBurnie, C Robinson, Henderson (loan), Freeman, Mousset, Verrips, Jagielka, Morrison, Rodwell, Besic (loan), Retsos, Zivkovic, Berge, J Robinson

2020/21:
Brewster, Burke, Ramsdale, Bogle, Lowe, Foderingham, Coulibaly, Ampadu (loan)

Realistically main reliable and positively consistent players that he signed were Henderson, Ramsdale and Foderingham. Goalkeepers. I'll add Bogle for now, though he's been inconsistent due to injuries plaguing him.
 

The fee that we get for Berge doesn't really matter, because it's not going to be reinvested back into the playing squad.

At least the Prince has made another massive profit and gets a nice little leaving gift.
 
If has been mentioned the bids are approaching 30 million I would say do it. I would also say the world has gone mad.

I like Sander but he is injury prone, he disappears in games, he can't tackle and can't head a ball. But because he has played in Champs league he has a reputation.

The absolute proviso must be, it only happens if it leaves Hecky time and the resource to bring in another player or 2.

Based on 45 years of watching United Boardrooms in action, cheerio Sander thanks for the memories.
 
Proper Blade said:
The fee that we get for Berge doesn't really matter, because it's not going to be reinvested back into the playing squad.

At least the Prince has made another massive profit and gets a nice little leaving gift.
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The Prince or the Club won't make any "profit" on Berge at all.....especially as Genk will more than likely have a sell-on percentage....
 
Caveblade said:
If has been mentioned the bids are approaching 30 million I would say do it. I would also say the world has gone mad.

I like Sander but he is injury prone, he disappears in games, he can't tackle and can't head a ball. But because he has played in Champs league he has a reputation.

The absolute proviso must be, it only happens if it leaves Hecky time and the resource to bring in another player or 2.

Based on 45 years of watching United Boardrooms in action, cheerio Sander thanks for the memories.
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If we get anything approaching £30m it will be robbery.....and a huge thanks to Jurgen Klopp for bigging him up a few years ago...!
 
Torrix1889 said:
The Prince or the Club won't make any "profit" on Berge at all.....especially as Genk will more than likely have a sell-on percentage....
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He'll be amortised down to around £7.5m in the accounts so anything above that will be a profit. Based on £20m and even with a sell on % to his old club it will be nice.
 
Proper Blade said:
The fee that we get for Berge doesn't really matter, because it's not going to be reinvested back into the playing squad.

At least the Prince has made another massive profit and gets a nice little leaving gift.
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How does that work? Does he just ask the buying club to deposit the sum into his current account?
 
I thought sell on clauses were usually a percentage of the profit. Therefore if we sell him for £20 million there is no profit and therefore Genk will get none of the fee?
 

Torrix1889 said:
The Prince or the Club won't make any "profit" on Berge at all.....especially as Genk will more than likely have a sell-on percentage....
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We are running at a continuous loss whilst in the Championship. Any transfer fee will reduce that loss. Yes it will effectively remove a shortfall any owner was to cover, but to suggest the Prince is walking away with the proceeds of any sale simply isn't true.
 
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