Incoming? Sam Morsy

[him behind you]

But the transfer only happened at the beginning of the week. Until the sale was agreed how did CW or the Board know how much he had to spend ? All Boards will 'consider' manager's requests. Common practice I would have thought. I would have also thought that common sense will dictate that CW will not have available all the money from the transfer.

If CW turns round and says there is no money available then I agree with what you are saying but as yet there is not even a hint that the Board aren't supporting CW financially instead the manager is talking about wanting 3-4 players insterad of saying ' I am happy with what I have'

It might not have happened but it can't possibly have come out of the blue. Like I said, it's all about planning. I would expect every business, no matter what they market work in or at what level, to have contingency plans or "what if" scenarios. We clearly didn't because the manager says he wants X players nut he and the board clearly haven't agreed that if, say, we sell a player for £1.5m, then you can have £0.5m so plan on that. They've waited until something has happened and then are reacting to it.

A few years ago my lad decided he didn't like his mountain bike and wanted a road bike. I told him that if he sold his bike, I'd make up the difference, so he found the bike he'd like, sold his, and we were getting his replacement the following weekend - because I was working in the week. See what I'm saying?

 

[itsinyerblood]

I'm assuming there was an upfront payment, albeit a portion of the original sum, yes?

It's a not untypical business transaction. The parlance would be referred to as staggered payments, often with a large chunk upfront and then whatever's agreed between the two clubs to finalise the payment.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

He certainly backed Clough and to a lesser extent Adkins

From the squad we had from Clough's last game.

Out
S. Davies- Loan ended
J. Holt- Loan ended
B. Davies- released
M. Doyle- released
S. Berry- released
K. Scarisbrick- released
I. Turner- released
J. Murphy- sold- £1.7million.
D. Calvert- Lewin- Loan
J. Banton- Loan
D. Brooks- Loan
C. Hamilton- Loan
M. McNulty- Loan
C. Alcock- Loan then sold for undisclosed fee.
M. Higdon- Loan then contract cancelled
C. Dimiaio- Contract cancelled
T. Kennedy- Loan.
O. Khan- Contract cancelled.
B. Harris- Loan
S. Scougall- Loan
K. Freeman- Loan
J. Campbell Ryce- Loan
J. Wallace- Loan
N. Collins- Contract Cancelled

24 out in some capacity or another- Total transfer fees recouped £1.7 million (plus whatever Donny paid for Alcock).


Ins:

G. Long- Loan ended
M. Woolford- Free
J. Phillips- Free
B. Sharp- £500k
C. Sammon- Loan
D. Edgar- Loan
D. Hammond- Loan with option for contract on a free transfer.
A. Baptiste- Loan

8 in in some capacity or another. Total transfer fees spent- £500k.

If that's what being backed looks like I'd hate to see us tightening our belts.

 

[Barney]

That's what I'd expect but when I said no one knows I was including myself. I'm not a fan of dressing up total guesses as informed opinion, be they positive or negative.

Well if everyone waited for 100% confirmation of everything discussed this board would be quite slim.

If we've got a deal that is detrimental to our attempts to secure a replacement, the board should come under criticism anyway, and deservedly so. If not, and the deal is a substantial enough upfront payment then the restlessness for it to spent is understandable, albeit premature at this stage.

 

[bartman]

From the squad we had from Clough's last game.

Out
S. Davies- Loan ended
J. Holt- Loan ended
B. Davies- released
M. Doyle- released
S. Berry- released
K. Scarisbrick- released
I. Turner- released
J. Murphy- sold- £1.7million.
D. Calvert- Lewin- Loan
J. Banton- Loan
D. Brooks- Loan
C. Hamilton- Loan
M. McNulty- Loan
C. Alcock- Loan then sold for undisclosed fee.
M. Higdon- Loan then contract cancelled
C. Dimiaio- Contract cancelled
T. Kennedy- Loan.
O. Khan- Contract cancelled.
B. Harris- Loan
S. Scougall- Loan
K. Freeman- Loan
J. Campbell Ryce- Loan
J. Wallace- Loan
N. Collins- Contract Cancelled

24 out in some capacity or another- Total transfer fees recouped £1.7 million (plus whatever Donny paid for Alcock).


Ins:

G. Long- Loan ended
M. Woolford- Free
J. Phillips- Free
B. Sharp- £500k
C. Sammon- Loan
D. Edgar- Loan
D. Hammond- Loan with option for contract on a free transfer.
A. Baptiste- Loan

8 in in some capacity or another. Total transfer fees spent- £500k.

If that's what being backed looks like I'd hate to see us tightening our belts.

And the total salary outlay for Hammond,Baptiste,Edgar,Sammon and and Sharp combined was probably mote than all the other players combined. We also had Collins,Scougall Wallace,JCR,Freeman,Higdon and Harris for the majority of the season.

So yes,as I put in my post,he was backed to a 'lesser' degree

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Christ, we only got £1.7m for Murphy?!? We are really dire at getting a good price.

 

[Barney]

 

[Bartleby]

From the squad we had from Clough's last game.

Out
S. Davies- Loan ended
J. Holt- Loan ended
B. Davies- released
M. Doyle- released
S. Berry- released
K. Scarisbrick- released
I. Turner- released
J. Murphy- sold- £1.7million.
D. Calvert- Lewin- Loan
J. Banton- Loan
D. Brooks- Loan
C. Hamilton- Loan
M. McNulty- Loan
C. Alcock- Loan then sold for undisclosed fee.
M. Higdon- Loan then contract cancelled
C. Dimiaio- Contract cancelled
T. Kennedy- Loan.
O. Khan- Contract cancelled.
B. Harris- Loan
S. Scougall- Loan
K. Freeman- Loan
J. Campbell Ryce- Loan
J. Wallace- Loan
N. Collins- Contract Cancelled

24 out in some capacity or another- Total transfer fees recouped £1.7 million (plus whatever Donny paid for Alcock).


Ins:

G. Long- Loan ended
M. Woolford- Free
J. Phillips- Free
B. Sharp- £500k
C. Sammon- Loan
D. Edgar- Loan
D. Hammond- Loan with option for contract on a free transfer.
A. Baptiste- Loan

8 in in some capacity or another. Total transfer fees spent- £500k.

If that's what being backed looks like I'd hate to see us tightening our belts.

subtract another £140k for paying off Hammond

 

[marsh blade]

Had no news on Morsy turning us down.Only time will tell if it will be announced early evening utb .

 

[Bladesman]

And the total salary outlay for Hammond,Baptiste,Edgar,Sammon and and Sharp combined was probably mote than all the other players combined. We also had Collins,Scougall Wallace,JCR,Freeman,Higdon and Harris for the majority of the season.

So yes,as I put in my post,he was backed to a 'lesser' degree

How do you figure that? We only had Baptiste for a couple of months. Roughly 24 wages out plus the fees for Alcock and Murphy would move than cover the wages of 7 in. Also usually the parent club of players that go out on loan sometimes still pay towards the players wage, so there is half a chance the likes of McNuts and co were still being part paid by us while on loan. Which would not surprise me since no club wanted to buy any of our loaned out players off us.

Also by the same token Baptiste, Sammon and Hammond may have still had part of their wage covered by their parent clubs.

 

[GrayBlade]

Had no news on Morsy turning us down.Only time will tell if it will be announced early evening utb .

Early evening's ok but it'd be good for him to have had at least one training session. Can't see him going straight into the team now.

 

[Bladesman]

Had no news on Morsy turning us down.Only time will tell if it will be announced early evening utb .

Morsy would surely be looking at his options if he knows Wigan no longer want him. Although if he is on good wages at Wigan then he won't want to leave for us since we apparently are not in the mood of giving players what they want anymore.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Morsy would surely be looking at his options if he knows Wigan no longer want him. Although if he is on good wages at Wigan then he won't want to leave for us since we apparently are not in the mood of giving players what they want anymore.

It's not about what they want, it's what they're worth.

We've already wasted money on players that the manager thought were good but prove otherwise.

Hopefully we've learnt our lesson and no longer pay over the odds.
If Morsey wants wads of money he can look elsewhere.

 

[Bladesman]

It's not about what they want, it's what they're worth.

We've already wasted money on players that the manager thought were good but prove otherwise.

Hopefully we've learnt our lesson and no longer pay over the odds.
If Morsey wants wads of money he can look elsewhere.

Every player is a gamble, some players don't perform here but go on to perform elsewhere.

If there is competition for a player then that will always mean you pay a bit extra sadly.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well if everyone waited for 100% confirmation of everything discussed this board would be quite slim.

If we've got a deal that is detrimental to our attempts to secure a replacement, the board should come under criticism anyway, and deservedly so. If not, and the deal is a substantial enough upfront payment then the restlessness for it to spent is understandable, albeit premature at this stage.

If. If not.
How can someone get restless if they don't have a clue what's happening, save to whine on a forum? Because despite no manager claiming it, its "happened before", it's become forum fable?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Every player is a gamble, some players don't perform here but go on to perform elsewhere.

If there is competition for a player then that will always mean you pay a bit extra sadly.

His comment was about worth. We have to trust Wilders judgement. If CW believes the deal is too expensive he won't take a gamble because he's gambling with his budget.

I thought his views were clear but it seems he's already being alluded to being the latest club lickspittle already by some, in the middle of his rebuilding job.

 

[Darthblade]

You are being economical with the truth

Wilder has not said he is struggling to recoup the money from the Board for investment. He actually said he was in discussions with the Board

I hope the "discussions" included him having one of them up against the Boardroom wall by the scruff of his neck and suggesting to them all that if the funds weren't available for him to bring in 4 / 5 decent players this week, he would use excessive but necessary brutality to the whole fu**ing lot of the "ambitious" wasters !!

UTB & FTP

 

[Sheffsteel]

Another point is

We don't want players just coming for a pay day.

United will already know what he's being paid at Wigan. I expect us to match it or possibly a bit more with loads of bonus/ promotion incentives thrown in.

That kind of offer is a test in its self.

If Morsy says he'll only come if we give him a big pay rise then I would think Wilders interest will cool. We want players who buy into the club, have ambition and want to progress under Wilders terms.

No doubt Wilder has loads of targets. You have to be philosophical. If we can't persuade Morsy then it means we have the budget to target someone else who might be better.

Morsy's worth is difficult to define. He doesn't score goals and lacks pace. I think he needs to be used correctly in the right team otherwise he's pretty average.

 

[Grappler]

Chapman from Middlesborough here on season long loan?

 

[Darthblade]

It might not have happened but it can't possibly have come out of the blue. Like I said, it's all about planning. I would expect every business, no matter what they market work in or at what level, to have contingency plans or "what if" scenarios. We clearly didn't because the manager says he wants X players nut he and the board clearly haven't agreed that if, say, we sell a player for £1.5m, then you can have £0.5m so plan on that. They've waited until something has happened and then are reacting to it.

A few years ago my lad decided he didn't like his mountain bike and wanted a road bike. I told him that if he sold his bike, I'd make up the difference, so he found the bike he'd like, sold his, and we were getting his replacement the following weekend - because I was working in the week. See what I'm saying?

What you are suggesting then is that our Board should have done the logical and sensible thing that most businesses would do and that is to plan ahead for eventualities, given that an asset may be sold and new assets may be required to be brought in ?

Do you know how likely that is to happen with our Board ????

Can you imagine such discussions ever taking place ???

UTB & FTP

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Wasn't he a bit of a flop?

I'll keep setting em up if you keep knockin em in - UNDER the bar & certainly not hitting it - that's disastrous

 

[s4-blade]

Had no news on Morsy turning us down.Only time will tell if it will be announced early evening utb .

Has the medical happened then?


Oh and, wer u erd dis pal?

 

[Oreyt]

Can we have Sam Lessy?

 

[maxstertheblade]

Medical Monday.

 

[Rusty view]

Medical Monday.

Good Luck - hope everything is ok.

 

[Barney]

Medical Monday.

Were u herd this pal?

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Medical Monday.

Wer u erd that pal? Max will want to know all...ah, right, this is strange.

 

[Westran]

I just went to the last one I'd read, 4 pages ago yesterday at 10pm and nothing has changed except the medical is now Monday rather than tomorrow/today.

Are we actually still having this conversation or is it a joke and I keep missing the funny bits by skipping pages?

 

[true99blade]

Does anyone think we can make it 100 pages without us ever being interested in the player? We're almost there. Has it ever happened before?

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Does anyone think we can make it 100 pages without us ever being interested in the player? We're almost there. Has it ever happened before?

What is the thread record for an individual player? (Ched Evans aside)