S2 foodbank collection at WBA game

[Harrisblade]

I'm confused. Are these food banks for people to donate into, or collect from? Or both? Could I for instance, drop a can of beans in, and pull out a Fray Bentos beef pie?

For most food banks (all?) I think you need some sort of ticket from social services.
I don't think anyone can just walk in and pick up a bag of groceries without evidence of hardship.

 

[snootyfenooty]

If it was possible to determine who was genuinely homeless and needy I’d change my ways and give very generously. As it stands, I don’t have much sympathy because I don’t know for sure that they are genuine. It should be possible to give them some sort of ID that would take the doubt out of it.

I was at CDG airport in Paris this week. This young trendy bloke came up to me and asked for money for food. I just looked at him and said no. He was in designer gear, clean shaven and looked fit and healthy.

In London last Christmas on the Underground. The train driver announces, “ don’t give money to these people boarding trains and claiming to be homeless -its a professional scam”.

This is the problem.

My heart goes out to those who have fallen in hard times. It could happen to any of us. But the scammers are doing more damage to them than we can do good. Stop the scammers (or at least reduce it) and the genuinely poor and homeless will benefit enormously.

That's the problem with the food banks now, they've been taken over to a large extent now by the owt for nowt mob. Sure, we all want to help the needy but these guys will suffer due to people's reluctance to donate thanks to the scammers.

 

[Snowman]

We are supposed to be something like the 5th richest economy in the world and we have bloody Food banks.

Pre 1979 (what a crap year that was in so many respects) most homeless people in Sheffield were known by their name. Nowadays there are so many homeless people you just couldn't keep up with knowing them by their name.

In the 1960's the word 'benefit' was an alternative name for a testimonial game. Now it's taken on a whole new meaning.

We are supposed to live in a democracy and yet just over 2 years ago we voted to leave the EU and there are those who won't accept the result and want another vote.

The Prime Minister (whether you like her or not is irrelevant) wins a vote and there are those who still want her to resign. Where's the democratic logic in that?

What a bloody mess we've made of this country.

What do you mean by "we"?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

For most food banks (all?) I think you need some sort of ticket from social services.
I don't think anyone can just walk in and pick up a bag of groceries without evidence of hardship.

As in a "please Sir can I have some more gruel" ticket - Grotesque.....

 

[Bladeloyal]

A tin of Chappie, An all day breakfast in a tin ‘meal’. A Jonathan James shoe.

Much more likely.

Oh bugger I was going to put my thread bare clothes on and blag the cavier

 

[snootyfenooty]

For most food banks (all?) I think you need some sort of ticket from social services.
I don't think anyone can just walk in and pick up a bag of groceries without evidence of hardship.

Unemployment is at a record low, employment is at record high, jobs are aplenty due to the exodus of eastern Europeans. Do the maths.

 

[ElephantBlade]

A tin of Chappie, An all day breakfast in a tin ‘meal’. A Jonathan James shoe.

Much more likely.

What's the Jonathan James shoe served with?

 

[Harrisblade]

Unemployment is at a record low, employment is at record high, jobs are aplenty due to the exodus of eastern Europeans. Do the maths.

Maths has nothing to do with it.
I was just trying to say that usually you have to be officially recognised as financially struggling to get access to a food bank.
If you think that everyone's wealthy because of a set of figures you must have lived a very sheltered life.

 

[Sean Thornton]

What's the Jonathan James shoe served with?

A Cherry Blossom jus......

 

[Bladeloyal]

When I've seen these food banks on tv it looks to me that people .see.it as a cheap.aldi

 

[HighfieldBlade]

I was just trying to say that usually you have to be officially recognised as financially struggling to get access to a food bank.
If you think that everyone's wealthy because of a set of figures you must have lived a very sheltered life.

That's right. Having volunteered at a FB, the recipient of the food has to provide a special card showing proof of financial hardship. Then they need to sign for the items and are given a prepacked selection of groceries, which has to last them until next week. They can't just pick and choose what they want.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Maths has nothing to do with it.
I was just trying to say that usually you have to be officially recognised as financially struggling to get access to a food bank.
If you think that everyone's wealthy because of a set of figures you must have lived a very sheltered life.

Devils advocate, how would someone - a nurse possibly as an example - on £22k-£25k pa be financially struggling so that they need a food bank?

My niece is a nurse in London and shares a nice flat with another nurse in a decent area and when not working they’re out partying.

London!

 

[Sean Thornton]

That's right. Having volunteered at a FB, the recipient of the food has to provide a special card showing proof of financial hardship. Then they need to sign for the items and are given a prepacked selection of groceries, which has to last them until next week. They can't just pick and choose what they want.

Serious question, who makes the decision to issue the card?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Can't believe some peoples attitudes. It's Christmas for gods sake. If you donate a tin of beans you will be providing to the needy a hot meal on Saturday and a bubble bath on Sunday.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Serious question, who makes the decision to issue the card?

Usually Council, social services. Possibly other referral agencies as well but I'm not sure.

 

[Stretch]

It's like we keep getting told about these poor nurses who need to go to food banks. The basic salary for a nurse is over 22k why the fuck do they need to goto foodbanks? Budgeting lessons would be better

I see that the spirit of George Osborne is in full swing this Christmas.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Usually Council, social services. Possibly other referral agencies as well but I'm not sure.

Cheers

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Someone issuing "the needy" with a card so they can go and ask someone else for a Pot Noodle that someone else has left in a box because Billy Sharp asked them to on Twitter.
FFS - why didn't you explain it like that from the off.
Makes perfect sense now....

 

[robbiez666]

I tend to donate to Shelter or local charities (Archer Project, Roundabout etc) for the homeless.That way at least I know those who need my money are probably getting it.

https://www.archerproject.org.uk/
http://www.roundabouthomeless.org/
https://www.stwilfridscentre.org/
http://www.nomadsheffield.co.uk/

 

[knowsnowt]

A good few recipients of these kindly donations are known to sell their haul round the corner from said establishments for funds to partake in certain illegal substances.
A bag of groceries for a bag of brown, for those who dont read shorthand.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I tend to donate to Shelter or local charities (Archer Project, Roundabout etc) for the homeless.That way at least I know those who need my money are probably getting it.

https://www.archerproject.org.uk/
http://www.roundabouthomeless.org/
https://www.stwilfridscentre.org/
http://www.nomadsheffield.co.uk/

In theory, local charities are better. However l’ve Met homeless people in Sheffield that are less than complimentary about how they work. The real problem is not the homeless you see daily. It’s the ones too frightened to come out into the open and are therefore invisible. Mainly the very young, the very old and those suffering from debilitating mental illness.

 

[BushBlade]

A good few recipients of these kindly donations are known to sell their haul round the corner from said establishments for funds to partake in certain illegal substances.
A bag of groceries for a bag of brown, for those who dont read shorthand.

When you put it like that, I’m really envious of their lives.

 

[snootyfenooty]

I tend to donate to Shelter or local charities (Archer Project, Roundabout etc) for the homeless.That way at least I know those who need my money are probably getting it.

https://www.archerproject.org.uk/
http://www.roundabouthomeless.org/
https://www.stwilfridscentre.org/
http://www.nomadsheffield.co.uk/

Yep, me too. Not so much brouhaha and you also get the benefit of remaining anonymous. I suspect this is the reason many would rather prefer the more publicised ways of making a donation. Its a bit like the poppy thing where the act of wearing one is now more important than the donation you make or the act of remembrance you're supposed to be observing.

 

[Ted Danson]

Nurse training doesn’t teach you how to claim benefits for seven years whilst earning money on the side ‘setting up a business’.

No that was the labour government at the time,long story but they forced me to be on benefits about a year longer than should have been. Also as already pointed out it was mainly tax credits etc which are fucking useful when trying to create a company that could employ people and pay tax back to a government.

Even after the 6,000 debt they accrue while learners?
22k.
Fucking disgraceful in 2018.

It may be low but it's hardly breadline is it?

 

[blackydog]

What's the Jonathan James shoe served with?

Tongue.

 

[TTMeysh]

The reality is, the economy is creating jobs hand over fist to the point where we still have a net influx of 200,000 Eastern Europeans despite what the Guardian tells you about them all upping sticks.....and then, alongside this, we have 1.4m unemployed people who basically come from that stratum of society that either can't or won't work. The Tories have tried to tweak the benefits system to incentivise this latter group to get their shit together but of course many of them aren't really capable of getting their shit together: hence, hardship. Entirely predictable result.

I'm not sure just continuing to kick the can down the road and accept that large numbers of people will need cradle-to-grave benefits is the answer either, but Universal Credit was a shit idea, unsurprisingly given that its principal architect was Ian Duncan Smith.

 

[alcoblade]

We are supposed to be something like the 5th richest economy in the world and we have bloody Food banks.

Pre 1979 (what a crap year that was in so many respects) most homeless people in Sheffield were known by their name. Nowadays there are so many homeless people you just couldn't keep up with knowing them by their name.

In the 1960's the word 'benefit' was an alternative name for a testimonial game. Now it's taken on a whole new meaning.

We are supposed to live in a democracy and yet just over 2 years ago we voted to leave the EU and there are those who won't accept the result and want another vote.

The Prime Minister (whether you like her or not is irrelevant) wins a vote and there are those who still want her to resign. Where's the democratic logic in that?

What a bloody mess we've made of this country.

We are nowhere near the 5th “richest” economy - it’s a myth.

We have the 5th largest economy, which of different.

Allowing for purchase price parity, we aren't a rich country at all.

 

[raul]

Thanks for the OP blackydog . You've flushed out a couple of plutonium enriched throbbers as well as highlighting a need.

 

[shorehamview]

It's a travesty that a country as rich as ours has people that need charity so they can exist, because you can't call it living. I thoroughly despise that we need charities to help people less fortunate than the majority of us. It's totally disgusting that given the amount of money raised in taxation, coupled with the fuckers wriggling out of paying their fair whack we as a society need to have facilities to give food away.

I do give to charity, for the last few years we haven't bought Christmas cards and instead we will buy food that is donated to a food bank, but there's something fucked with this world where that needs to happen.

 

[diode_blade]

Buttered Bread Cake?

Better not be Greasy chip Butties