CONFIRMED Ryan Leonard

[BushBlade]

It's about not getting fleeced with have spent 6; years in division 1, because we signed players who came for the money
Wilder won't tolerate that ,yes we have to up the anti but value for money is what Wilder looks for.That's a refreshing to here

We've spent six years in L1 primarily because we made poor managerial appointments. All players join us for the money. They're professional footballers. It's the job of the manager to motivate and organise them.
We've wasted for more money on hiring and firing managers and the subsequent inevitable associated costs (bringing in new players for the new manager, taking a hit on the previous manager's signings than we have paying over the market rate for players.

 

[finlaytheblade]

We've spent six years in L1 primarily because we made poor managerial appointments. All players join us for the money. They're professional footballers. It's the job of the manager to motivate and organise them.
We've wasted for more money on hiring and firing managers and the subsequent inevitable associated costs (bringing in new players for the new manager, taking a hit on the previous manager's signings than we have paying over the market rate for players.

Very true bush blade bad decisions by owners ,at least they finally got the right man

 

[Yewsman]

This "we won't pay more than we think a player is worth" stance is one of the reasons we spent 6 seasons in division 3 - the longest in our history. Sometimes you need to pay a little over the odds to get the players you want. I'm not saying go mad - but it's disappointing to see us outbid by smaller clubs - particularly when we are not even talking big sums of money.

Any news on the special signings McCabe mentioned?

My recollection of transfers in L1 is quite contrary. I cannot recall hearing of a single player who refused to come because of money. Indeed quite the contrary - that we were paying a lot of L1 players Championship wages plus we had some players on massive (by L1 standards) wages e.g. Brayford and Hammond and probably Billy. The one thing you cannot criticise the Board for is the budget given to the manager. Sadly it was the managers (certainly Clough and Adkins) who wasted it by not getting value for money.
I for one welcome CWs stance and think it will pay off long term whether we get Leonard or not.

 

[MobileBlade]

My recollection of transfers in L1 is quite contrary. I cannot recall hearing of a single player who refused to come because of money. Indeed quite the contrary - that we were paying a lot of L1 players Championship wages plus we had some players on massive (by L1 standards) wages e.g. Brayford and Hammond and probably Billy. The one thing you cannot criticise the Board for is the budget given to the manager. Sadly it was the managers (certainly Clough and Adkins) who wasted it by not getting value for money.
I for one welcome CWs stance and think it will pay off long term whether we get Leonard or not.

A certain centre half who signed for Peterborough?

 

[Sheffsteel]

We've spent six years in L1 primarily because we made poor managerial appointments. All players join us for the money. They're professional footballers.

Not all players come to us just for the money.

Nathan Thomas admitted that Middlesboro offered him a higher salary but he still choose us.
For me job satisfaction is much more important than extra money.

Surely it's not all just about money there are other reasons that can swing it like
1: The charisma of the manager and his plans regards playing style and ambition.
2: The club facilities, training ground and stadium/ fan base.
3: Location, near to a motorway/ major cities.
4: Club reputation, feedback from others within the game and whether that club can offer a career progression.

 

[Pinchy]

If the structure, is good enough for Fleck and Sharp it will be for other championship players that we want to bring in. Wilder has a philosophy similar to Bassett, in that it's all about the sum of the parts!

In that respect, maybe. As for football, they're worlds apart. Kevin Gage (ex-Bassett) confirmed that (not that it's not obvious to anyone with a brain cell) on the Biggs TV thing. He said he prefers football. Good on him.

 

[Upton_Blade]

A certain centre half who signed for Peterborough?

I asked the Peterborough chairman about this outright on Twatter and he said they had a deal sorted for him before the end of the previous season before any other clubs came sniffing and that Tafazoli had been a pleasure to deal with and not greedy at all.

Most things like this you can take with a pinch of salt but Their chairman is usually very open and honest on there.

 

[FriethBlade]

My recollection of transfers in L1 is quite contrary. I cannot recall hearing of a single player who refused to come because of money. Indeed quite the contrary - that we were paying a lot of L1 players Championship wages plus we had some players on massive (by L1 standards) wages e.g. Brayford and Hammond and probably Billy. The one thing you cannot criticise the Board for is the budget given to the manager. Sadly it was the managers (certainly Clough and Adkins) who wasted it by not getting value for money.
I for one welcome CWs stance and think it will pay off long term whether we get Leonard or not.

Amazing how people's view of value for money differs....you mention Clough....what about Adams (free sold for £1m+) Freeman (free and mainstay of promotion team) Basham (free and mainstay of promotion team) Coutts (cheap and mainstay of promotion team). That little lot cost peanuts and must be worth around £4m which for me is value for money. Admittedly the likes of Higdon et al were rubbish and Brayford cost too much but I wouldn't group him with Adkins who really was the pits !

I think Wilder has done a phenomenal job so far in identifying 'cheap talent ' but it's gets more difficult to stick to your guns as you move up the divisions. I'd rather overpay for Leonard who in championship terms is cheap anyway and could be worth a lot more in resale value and will come with the right attitude than have pushed the boat out for Bennett who has already played at this level but not pulled up any trees.

 

[BushBlade]

Not all players come to us just for the money.

Nathan Thomas admitted that Middlesboro offered him a higher salary but he still choose us.
For me job satisfaction is much more important than extra money.

Surely it's not all just about money there are other reasons that can swing it like
1: The charisma of the manager and his plans regards playing style and ambition.
2: The club facilities, training ground and stadium/ fan base.
3: Location, near to a motorway/ major cities.
4: Club reputation, feedback from others within the game and whether that club can offer a career progression.

True but;

1. There are plenty of charismatic managers in the championship.

2. Again, how are we different to other clubs in this respect? You have to view us as a neutral, not a Blade. Why would a player choose us over, say, Derby?

3. I doubt this has any relevance whatsoever, we're talking about footballers, not students.

4. See points 1&2.

 

[South Bucks]

For me this Leonard interest is a real test of if our owners intend to just stumble through next season on the cheap and hope we stay up or if we are to start seriously strengthening the team for bigger things. It clear he has the potential to improve our team.

 

[Anston Blade]

I seem to remember last summer people panicking as we seemingly missed out on targets that the papers linked us with. That didn't turn out too bad did it ?

Surely after last season people can trust the management team to bring in quality players (without paying more than their worth) and gelling them into a winning team.

Relax, enjoy the summer and look forward to the new season. UTB

 

[Pinchy]

For me this Leonard interest is a real test of if our owners intend to just stumble through next season on the cheap and hope we stay up or if we are to start seriously strengthening the team for bigger things. It clear he has the potential to improve our team.

Totally wrong. It's absolutely nothing to do with the owners. Wilder has made his position crystal clear so many times. It doesn't suit those with an agenda, so they ignore him.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I seem to remember last summer people panicking as we seemingly missed out on targets that the papers linked us with. That didn't turn out too bad did it ?

Surely after last season people can trust the management team to bring in quality players (without paying more than their worth) and gelling them into a winning team.

Relax, enjoy the summer and look forward to the new season. UTB

It was the end of the world when Tafowhatever his name signed for Peterborough and not us

 

[Treeton Blade]

It was the end of the world when Tafowhatever his name signed for Peterborough and not us

And Revell went to Northampton Town for more money

 

[RMBlade]

I seem to remember last summer people panicking as we seemingly missed out on targets that the papers linked us with. That didn't turn out too bad did it ?

Surely after last season people can trust the management team to bring in quality players (without paying more than their worth) and gelling them into a winning team.

Relax, enjoy the summer and look forward to the new season. UTB

I wholeheartedly disagree. I think we should all panic and moan at every moment we can

 

[South Bucks]

Totally wrong. It's absolutely nothing to do with the owners. Wilder has made his position crystal clear so many times. It doesn't suit those with an agenda, so they ignore him.

Pinchy how is it you know all there is to know about everyone and everything including every thought Wilder might have. If I'm trying to buy something of course I initially imply money is tight to get the best price, if I say I'm flush with cash the price goes up. You take what Wilder says far too literally I believe, things in life are more negotiable. If Ronaldo at the end of his contract said he'd like to play for sufc but wanted marginally more than Billy do you think Wilder would say no can do and not have a discussion with the owners ?

 

[FriethBlade]

Pinchy how is it you know all there is to know about everyone and everything including every thought Wilder might have. If I'm trying to buy something of course I initially imply money is tight to get the best price, if I say I'm flush with cash the price goes up. You take what Wilder says far too literally I believe, things in life are more negotiable. If Ronaldo at the end of his contract said he'd like to play for sufc but wanted marginally more than Billy do you think Wilder would say no can do and not have a discussion with the owners ?

He clearly doesn't, pointless debating with him as everything he says is fact and any disagreement means you have missed the point or not listened.

Wilder is constantly talking about value for money to try and keep prices down which isn't unreasonable. However as you move up the leagues you have to spend more and value for money becomes more subjective...you don't want to become the football equivalent of the bloke who won't buy a house cus they were all 100 grand cheaper 10 years ago. How would you manage in the premier league with that attitude as you'd never end up buying anyone.

Whether the cynicism of some is justified will be proven by the end of the window.when we see if the 'championship investment' has materiised or not

 

[Pinchy]

Pinchy how is it you know all there is to know about everyone and everything including every thought Wilder might have. If I'm trying to buy something of course I initially imply money is tight to get the best price, if I say I'm flush with cash the price goes up. You take what Wilder says far too literally I believe, things in life are more negotiable. If Ronaldo at the end of his contract said he'd like to play for sufc but wanted marginally more than Billy do you think Wilder would say no can do and not have a discussion with the owners ?

Then direct your argument towards Wilder rather than constructing a fake argument on a false premise.

 

[Champagneblade]

This is not a rumour at all but Wilder could do worse than speak to Arsene Wenger about Bielek who was on loan at Birmingham last year instead of this lad, especially as Coutts and Fleck are there in centre mid holding the shirts, so there is no guarantee he would be an immediate starter.

He can play both centre half and defensive midfield which would allow him to compete for five shirts to get in the team.

From our side, he already has a year in the Championship, and it would save us having to entice two players.

This is the sort of player as a Premier loan we should look at, especially as we come into the division having played 3 at the back, just as Arsenal finished the season.

 

[Yewsman]

Amazing how people's view of value for money differs....you mention Clough....what about Adams (free sold for £1m+) Freeman (free and mainstay of promotion team) Basham (free and mainstay of promotion team) Coutts (cheap and mainstay of promotion team). That little lot cost peanuts and must be worth around £4m which for me is value for money. Admittedly the likes of Higdon et al were rubbish and Brayford cost too much but I wouldn't group him with Adkins who really was the pits !

I think Wilder has done a phenomenal job so far in identifying 'cheap talent ' but it's gets more difficult to stick to your guns as you move up the divisions. I'd rather overpay for Leonard who in championship terms is cheap anyway and could be worth a lot more in resale value and will come with the right attitude than have pushed the boat out for Bennett who has already played at this level but not pulled up any trees.

Yes some of Clough's signings turned out ok. Adams probably the best financially. But My point is that no one ever seemed to say no to Clough. Basham came from the Championship and I am sure was and is on Champ wages although he has now played 4 seasons as a L1 player. Coutts and Freeman I. Ele I've have also been on Champ wages. Coutts has eventually come good but has sat there for the 2 previous seasons drawing a high wage and not playing. Freeman the same last season. We also had some expensive loan players. Overall I would say Cloughs transfers are well in the red in terms of value for money

 

[Rootshallbloke]

Seems like it's all gone very quite on this. Unless Wilder is going to cough up more than Mr Pinchy believes he will, then either Lenny will stay with us at least until January, or my worst fears will be realised and he will join Millwall with one of theirs coming our way, With Atkinson and now Adam Thompson buggering off, we need defenders pdq as Anton Ferdinand hasn't signed on again yet. Millwall appear to be the only club that are offering dosh plus player. All of this said, we will probably find that he signs for you lot next week and my predictions will look a bit rubbish.

 

[WORKSOPBLADE]

Seems like it's all gone very quite on this. Unless Wilder is going to cough up more than Mr Pinchy believes he will, then either Lenny will stay with us at least until January, or my worst fears will be realised and he will join Millwall with one of theirs coming our way, With Atkinson and now Adam Thompson buggering off, we need defenders pdq as Anton Ferdinand hasn't signed on again yet. Millwall appear to be the only club that are offering dosh plus player. All of this said, we will probably find that he signs for you lot next week and my predictions will look a bit rubbish.

We'll give you dosh plus Hussey !

 

[Chief_Froley]

We'll give you dosh plus Hussey !

Dosh plus Wilson!

 

[Enigmatic]

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/06/03/por-championship-new-boys-fail-in-bids-for-leonard/

Reporting that he is keen on playing at a higher level. Objectively, we're a more attractive prospect than Millwall. All signs point towards this one happening over the next couple of weeks; seems a matter of time to me.

 

[Blade58]

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/06/03/por-championship-new-boys-fail-in-bids-for-leonard/

Reporting that he is keen on playing at a higher level. Objectively, we're a more attractive prospect than Millwall. All signs point towards this one happening over the next couple of weeks; seems a matter of time to me.

There's been a rumour he wants to remain down South and Milwall fits the bill compared to S. Yorks

We'll see

 

[FriethBlade]

I know Wilders got his valuation on him but I really hope we push the boat out a bit and get him signed. Might only be a gut feeling but I can see him being a real success. I'm ambivalent about some of the other players we are linked with but this lad could be the real deal.

 

[Ricky]

Really wish he'd hurry up and sign. It's dragging on now.

If not though there are good alternatives.

Adeyemi and Scowen on free transfers for starters. Coady, Saville, Gilbey, Power, Morsy and Irvine too although they'd all cost fees, some of them substantial.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Only paying what we think players are worth seems an odd approach and is likely to mean we miss out on several of our top targets. The fact is it takes silly money to buy quality these days and sometimes you just have to pay what it takes - within reason of course. We should certainly be outbidding the likes of Millwall.

I am yet to be convinced we have a Board with the funds and ambition to compete. Hopefully the next few weeks will convince me that we have.

 

[Blade56]

Is a well know fact by an algorithm buried deep in S24SU that if a thread with just a players name in the title reaches 500 posts HE WILL NOT SIGN.

 

[FriethBlade]

Really wish he'd hurry up and sign. It's dragging on now.

If not though there are good alternatives.

Adeyemi and Scowen on free transfers for starters. Coady, Saville, Gilbey, Power, Morsy and Irvine too although they'd all cost fees, some of them substantial.

Agreed Scowen and Coady would be my choices out of those, although I think Scowen thinks he's premiership standard so unlikely to come to us