Rob Staton

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1987 said:
Local papers don't get money from journalists getting tagged on Twatter. Can see why it's frustrating, they've done the story after all and have a job to try and keep.

Nobody would click it, but seems like the original piece should be quoted to be fair. Fairly standard practice anywhere else, to reference the source.

Otherwise it's just accounts on twitter, growing their audience, on news they didn't write.
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Part of the problems is that Twitter/x algorithm down ranks a tweet if it contains a link.
 

Klaatu Barada Nikto said:
Part of the problems is that Twitter/x algorithm down ranks a tweet if it contains a link.
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So that places their engagement over the original story though? That's a choice isn't it.

Either go and get the stories yourself. Properly help the people who did. Or be fucked when there's nobody left to do it.

Would seem like that's the end game here nobody seems to talk about.
 
1987 said:
So that places their engagement over the original story though? That's a choice isn't it.

Either go and get the stories yourself. Properly help the people who did. Or be fucked when there's nobody left to do it.

Would seem like that's the end game here nobody seems to talk about
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I think most of these aggregation accounts used to put the actual link as a reply to the original tweet, so the behaviour was wrong in the first place, but Twitter/x now actively promotes that negative behaviour.

Another reason to get off twitter.
 
Klaatu Barada Nikto said:
I think most of these aggregation accounts used to put the actual link as a reply to the original tweet, so the behaviour was wrong in the first place, but Twitter/x now actively promotes that negative behaviour.

Another reason to get off twitter.
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So it's hardly a suprise they are starting to call it out?

Think people would quick find that "the bladesman" is pretty quiet on twitter, around the same time journos stop printing.

They basically do a job, somebody on twitter summarises a few lines, and the journos get called unnecessary. Just seems unsustainable to me as an ecosystem
 
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1987 said:
Do you think the local journos just get carte blanche to do proper deep dives?


But aren't they they ones feeding those other sources?

What when the journos stop - because they're out of a job?

I agree, I don't read online newspapers either, but indirectly, we need them right?
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No, they use second hand info.

Example, the family of Harvey Willgoose (the Blades lad who was stabbed 🙁) said yesterday they were at the hospital but found out that their son had died via social media. It was out there before the doctor got to the relatives room.

Newspapers, radio and to some extent TV only ‘verify’ what’s already been reported in real time digitally and the accuracy of what’s reported.

Even Piss Pants hammer attack aftermath was reported before any news channel or paper could even be at the scene.

Excluding the brilliant investigative Journalism that is generally a force for good most jounolist now are tidying up and recording (not reporting) news.
 
1987 said:
Do you think the local journos just get carte blanche to do proper deep dives?


But aren't they they ones feeding those other sources?

What when the journos stop - because they're out of a job?

I agree, I don't read online newspapers either, but indirectly, we need them right?
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It’s been this way for 10 years at least now. Twitter really started getting popular in the early 2010s. You have to adapt to it. As many have said, the Star website is just plain shite. I gulp before clicking on any link and wonder if it’ll be worth it. I actually don’t mind Danny Hall and think he gets decent info. I don’t buy the “oh he’s screwed now Wilder is gone”. Aggregating or sharing info behind paywalls happens across all popular sports, all teams. Bob Station knows this, he’s just being mardy. For as long as there is a demand for Sheff Utd info, which there always will be, there will be someone providing it in some form or another. I’m not worried about what happens to the reporters, particularly those who either just don’t adapt or moan about a situation which has been the case now for most of their working lives.
 
The moaning about aggregators and alternative media is merely a bitter reaction to losing market share imo. What you go to Bladesman for, the Star used to have a virtual monopoly on . Their jobs are unfortunately being replaced by new technologies, and they are being forced to try and adapt. Bladesman, as far as I know, isn't a business so it's debatable whether he owes anybody anything? RS, as far as I know, don't have an official aggregator account which is surely a mistake?

I find the criticism ironic as much legacy sports media is a type of aggregating anyway. They write articles based on other's opinions and speculations. People aren't always credited. A lot of people's views have basically been lifted off here sans credit over the years.

RS have crossed the rubicon re Chansiri. They have shown a spectacular degree of partiality. They have taken the populist Wednesday fan stance, something that I can never remember them doing re Ken Booth, Kev McCabe, Dave Allen, our current consortium, or the list of shady individuals that ran United pre McCabe -including a few genuine crooks. Les Strappon relegated the pigs with them ending up in admin and he didn't get 5% of what Chansiri has faced from the media. We had a three sided ground and ended up in the fourth and our owners had it easy. They hadn't invested 150 + million and been fellated by our fanbase either.

If they can't at least play Devil's advocate and give others the space to make the alternative points of view, they should recuse themselves. Have the grace to admit that you're struggling to remain impartial due to your personal convictions and remove yourselves from hosting this debate. Maybe play a game where you force yourselves to argue Chansiri's point of view.

Whilst you're at it stop lecturing people. It's a debating chamber not your pulpit Mr Staton.
 
I think the FH presenters do a great job generally but they have let the programme become a bit of a Wednesday pity party. Last night was typical with the Blades views dismissed as ridiculous (it wasn't, just different from the presenters view) followed by a Wednesday fan telling us how is heart had been ripped out by what is going on. Every night now follows a familiar pattern of what Chansiri has done to them and how he has to go. It is like one of those reality show sob stories. There is then some mention of Wednesdays away support as if that is somehow relevant. What it lacks is any balance. For example shouldn't Chansiri be given some credit for the amount he has ploughed into the club all these years to keep them going. No he is just the bad guy and has to go without any reasoned argument as to how and why and what should happen next.
 
Lama said:
Local journalists (BBC included) are a little salty that the Wednesday financial issues aren’t getting more traction nationally. There’s been cursory mentions of it, but it’s a footnote compared to who Sesko signs for, or any other given premier league transfer rumour on the day.

The way they see it, a “massive” club teetering over the edge should be bigger news, and it should be getting more attention as a story.

Some of them are probably also a little sensitive about united fans taking the piss, and trivialising what is essentially the biggest story that some of these journalists will ever cover.

Can’t say I’m particularly sympathetic.
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One reason they are pissed off it hasn't received more attention is that they crave the national attention themselves. Radio Sheffield is unlikely to be the limit of their ambitions and the wider the Pigs publicity the wider their publicity.

Staton has also got the American Football/Seattle Seahawks string to his bow and will have his eye on wider opportunities.

As someone who lives away i like football/sport heaven as its a connection to home. However the pig coverage is getting tedious as its the same stuff regurgitated every night. We all understand its massive news but they need to find new angles, difficult I know but boring if not.

Additionally its not an unreasonable position for fans of other teams to take re they weren't moaning when he was overspending. Would they have beaten Barnsley in the PO final without some of that overspending they are now paying for?
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
How many times have the Stir written stories based on something that's been written on here?
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I once posted something on here, on a total wind up, entirely made up. It made their column.
William Large said:
It’s (in my experience) typical of the majority of Wednesday fans I have met who have such vastly overinflated opinion of how much they matter to the rest of the footballing world that gives me a huge amount of satisfaction as to how the current situation will affect the playing side.
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This is where I'm at. I don't want local folk, small businesses or debtors to suffer but I guess I'm kinda holding on to the (unrealistic?) hope that it might humble them a bit, that it might knock them down a peg or two, make them realise how insignificant they are.

I want less of a clamour from fans of other teams, less national coverage, less fuss. They aren't as important as they like to think they are.
 
Contrary opinion here

IF we were in the predicament that Wednesday are, we'd be doing exactly the same. Wide coverage, looking for people in the football world to listen and to desperately try to get someone to act.

I'd expect our local media to be doing what they can to raise the profile of the issue and everything, legally and within reason to do just that.

S6 form half of THE home of football. I'm with them in the battle and we all have family and friends who are Wednesday fans.

This is all very easy to discuss from a slightly more safe position that they are in. Some of us have been around the block a bit and can recall some of our previous owners and, realistically, we know very little yet about our current owners.

We are all one ego away from exactly the same situation. The EFL have let them and others down, time and again.

There's more to this than us v them.

Be careful what you wish for .........

Good luck Wednesday and Morecambe! This is a UK football issue not a Sheffield issue.
 
54yrblade said:
Contrary opinion here

IF we were in the predicament that Wednesday are, we'd be doing exactly the same. Wide coverage, looking for people in the football world to listen and to desperately try to get someone to act.

I'd expect our local media to be doing what they can to raise the profile of the issue and everything, legally and within reason to do just that.

S6 form half of THE home of football. I'm with them in the battle and we all have family and friends who are Wednesday fans.

This is all very easy to discuss from a slightly more safe position that they are in. Some of us have been around the block a bit and can recall some of our previous owners and, realistically, we know very little yet about our current owners.

We are all one ego away from exactly the same situation. The EFL have let them and others down, time and again.

There's more to this than us v them.

Be careful what you wish for .........

Good luck Wednesday and Morecambe! This is a UK football issue not a Sheffield issue.
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The EFL have let them and others down, time and again.

Care to explain ?
 

Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
I once posted something on here, on a total wind up, entirely made up. It made their column.

This is where I'm at. I don't want local folk, small businesses or debtors to suffer but I guess I'm kinda holding on to the (unrealistic?) hope that it might humble them a bit, that it might knock them down a peg or two, make them realise how insignificant they are.

I want less of a clamour from fans of other teams, less national coverage, less fuss. They aren't as important as they like to think they are.
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It didn't humble them in 2010 but then again a bank writing off millions probably made them feel special. I don't think this will humble them regardless of what happens.

As for The Star, I am sure Foxy has said before that content/posts are often stolen from this forum by media outlets. Suddenly this sort of thing is an issue for Mr Staton.
 
Blade56 said:
No, they use second hand info.

Example, the family of Harvey Willgoose (the Blades lad who was stabbed 🙁) said yesterday they were at the hospital but found out that their son had died via social media. It was out there before the doctor got to the relatives room.

Newspapers, radio and to some extent TV only ‘verify’ what’s already been reported in real time digitally and the accuracy of what’s reported.

Even Piss Pants hammer attack aftermath was reported before any news channel or paper could even be at the scene.

Excluding the brilliant investigative Journalism that is generally a force for good most jounolist now are tidying up and recording (not reporting) news.
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They actually try to report the news, confirm accuracy, facts and old fashioned stuff like that.
The notion that social media is now the source of real time news is comical. Rumour, opinion, usually a dollop of prejudice dressed up as 'news' isn't a substitute for reputable sources unless, like plenty these days, you want the 'news' to be what you believe it to be.
 
Blade56 said:
They’ve just got to realise radio and newspapers are dead technologies, have been for years but they hang on trying to be relevant and attach themselves to a digital world.

I’m 73 and don’t use radio or newspapers for news. My elderly next door neighbour religiously puts the Green Un through my door from his copy of the Star. I don’t even glance at it, goes straight in recycling cause everything in there I’ve read online, on here, WhatsApp with friends and family.

Shut em down
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Mmmmm

You still buy the NOW
 
I haven't listened to FH properly for many years and I can't remember the last time I heard an episode.

Do they still have Moorhouse on regularly?

Doesn't do their credibility any favours IMHO if they do.

Not because he's an ex-con and spouts bollocks, but because of his social media presence that everyone is aware of.

He's a bloke pushing 50 who has recently threatened to attack our manager and intimated he'd stab someone who posted on his thread.
 
Back on 5 live now spouting the usual now,gutted that Windass just scored,and telling the country how gutted Wednesday fans will be that he has.
 
54yrblade said:
Contrary opinion here

IF we were in the predicament that Wednesday are, we'd be doing exactly the same. Wide coverage, looking for people in the football world to listen and to desperately try to get someone to act.

I'd expect our local media to be doing what they can to raise the profile of the issue and everything, legally and within reason to do just that.

S6 form half of THE home of football. I'm with them in the battle and we all have family and friends who are Wednesday fans.

This is all very easy to discuss from a slightly more safe position that they are in. Some of us have been around the block a bit and can recall some of our previous owners and, realistically, we know very little yet about our current owners.

We are all one ego away from exactly the same situation. The EFL have let them and others down, time and again.

There's more to this than us v them.

Be careful what you wish for .........

Good luck Wednesday and Morecambe! This is a UK football issue not a Sheffield issue.
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Fuck 'em
 
Davalon said:
I haven't listened to FH properly for many years and I can't remember the last time I heard an episode.

Do they still have Moorhouse on regularly?

Doesn't do their credibility any favours IMHO if they do.

Not because he's an ex-con and spouts bollocks, but because of his social media presence that everyone is aware of.

He's a bloke pushing 50 who has recently threatened to attack our manager and intimated he'd stab someone who posted on his thread.
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It does say a lot of about Radio Sheffield that they give him airtime.
 
I imagine half of the Wednesday fans will think radio Sheffield is biased towards us. Just like half the people on here seem to think the opposite. That suggests they are probably about fair and somewhere in the middle (which is where they should be).

There’s no news to report on us at the moment and Wednesday’s finances are a big story right now. That’s going to be the bulk of the content and debate atm, fairly self evidently. Your really not going to get much quality content about us taking 3 weeks to sign someone on loan
 
Bladeinleeds said:
I imagine half of the Wednesday fans will think radio Sheffield is biased towards us. Just like half the people on here seem to think the opposite. That suggests they are probably about fair and somewhere in the middle (which is where they should be).

There’s no news to report on us at the moment and Wednesday’s finances are a big story right now. That’s going to be the bulk of the content and debate atm, fairly self evidently. Your really not going to get much quality content about us taking 3 weeks to sign someone on loan
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I totally agree with your points re topics to talk about.

I think the issue for many (including me), is the way he treats people if they don't agree with his narrative.

Even if people are talking sense, if it goes against his narrative then he either cuts them off or continues to mock for the rest of the show.

This could hold him back from moving forward (like Paul Walker and Luke Wileman have) and also reduce listeners to the shows, as peoples attitudes are changing to how they are treat and what they require.

Listening figures will have been good this close season due to the show at S6, so when there isn't much news of note, it will be interesting to see how listening figures compare from past years.
 
Wasn't it Staton that caused the problem between Chesterfield and RS?
 
Pedro's Winger said:
They actually try to report the news, confirm accuracy, facts and old fashioned stuff like that.
The notion that social media is now the source of real time news is comical. Rumour, opinion, usually a dollop of prejudice dressed up as 'news' isn't a substitute for reputable sources unless, like plenty these days, you want the 'news' to be what you believe it to be.
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You would have a point if some of these "reputable sources" didn't already lift content from forums like this without permission.
 

54yrblade said:
Contrary opinion here

IF we were in the predicament that Wednesday are, we'd be doing exactly the same. Wide coverage, looking for people in the football world to listen and to desperately try to get someone to act.

I'd expect our local media to be doing what they can to raise the profile of the issue and everything, legally and within reason to do just that.

S6 form half of THE home of football. I'm with them in the battle and we all have family and friends who are Wednesday fans.

This is all very easy to discuss from a slightly more safe position that they are in. Some of us have been around the block a bit and can recall some of our previous owners and, realistically, we know very little yet about our current owners.

We are all one ego away from exactly the same situation. The EFL have let them and others down, time and again.

There's more to this than us v them.

Be careful what you wish for .........

Good luck Wednesday and Morecambe! This is a UK football issue not a Sheffield issue.
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Fuck em 👍
 
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