CONFIRMED Ricky Holmes

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bertieblade said:
It was not a release clause, it was a figure requested by charlton during negotiations, they then moved the goalposts. Cannot see us doing any more business with them.
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We don't know that for certain. What we've heard is that a figure of £400K was mentioned by someone (presumably at Charlton - but we don't know). This figure didn't come from Robinson and he didn't agree with it, or agree with selling Holmes in the first place.

To me this reeks of agent interference. I think it was an agent that suggested this would be enough to release him in order to attract a bid - but then that bid got blown out of the water by Robinson.

Best thing to do in future is talk directly with the manager. Then we'll know where we stand.
 
EddieColquhoun said:
I think the article in the Star refers to the figure Charlton wanted. If Holmes had this as a clause in his contract they would have been power-less.
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"Sources in London last night claimed that United’s first offer, believed to be in the region of £400,000, matched the figure they had been told would trigger the 30-year-old’s release before Karl Robinson’s side demanded an even higher.

James Shield definitely refers to a release clause above. It seems he definitely thought we met a release clause.
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Booker4 said:
"Sources in London last night claimed that United’s first offer, believed to be in the region of £400,000, matched the figure they had been told would trigger the 30-year-old’s release before Karl Robinson’s side demanded an even higher.

James Shield definitely refers to a release clause above. It seems he definitely thought we met a release clause.
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No. Charlton told us 400k would be his price. We offered that. They then upped the price.

The was no release clause in his contract. His contract isn't referred to.

The 400k figure is what charlton said not what anything in his contract quoted.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
No. Charlton told us 400k would be his price. We offered that. They then upped the price.

The was no release clause in his contract. His contract isn't referred to.

The 400k figure is what charlton said not what anything in his contract quoted.
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Ok I might be being dumb here mate but above - taken from the Star today - it says "matched the figure they had been told would trigger the release clause"?

Now from that info I can only assume that the figure told must have been wrong - maybe from an agent - and in fact its still below the release clause, or, there never was one but James Shield clearly states a release clause unless he has been wrongly informed.

As I said in my first message on the page before we can't have met the release clause (if there was one) or Robinson wouldn't be able to up the price as Shield stated because we would have met the release clause and therefore able to start contract talks with the player.
 
Booker4 said:
Ok I might be been dumb here mate but above - taken from the Star today - it says "matched the figure they had been told would trigger the release clause"?

Now from that info I can only assume that the figure told must have been wrong - maybe from an agent - and in fact its still below the release clause, or, there never was one but James Shield clearly states a release clause unless he has been wrongly informed.
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Where is the word 'clause' mentioned?
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
Where is the word 'clause' mentioned?
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It doesn't and maybe you're right after all that! It just seems like he is inferring that but maybe I've put two and two together and got 5! When Shield says would trigger his release then I think its a fair conclusion that is what he meant but I think its just poor journalism by Shield. In my view the article is misleading and you're likely to be right not me!
 
I see we're back here again... :confused:

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Booker4 said:
It doesn't and maybe you're right after all that! It just seems like he is inferring that but maybe I've put two and two together and got 5! When Shield says would trigger his release then I think its a fair conclusion that is what he meant but I think its just poor journalism by Shield. In my view the article is misleading and you're likely to be right not me!
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Yeah could have been worded better. In essence we called Charlton and asked for a price, they told us one and we offered it. They then put the price up. Which is quite within their rights, which it wouldn't have been had there been a release clause.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
Yeah could have been worded better. In essence we called Charlton and asked for a price, they told us one and we offered it. They then put the price up. Which is quite within their rights, which it wouldn't have been had there been a release clause.
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Aye that's what made me think that it didn't make sense. However its just me misunderstanding the article!

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HeCanDoMagic said:
I'm just glad to be right and someone admit it for a change.

I'll be home to the wife soon and normal service can be resumed.
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I'm blaming that fat cockney Shield! Ha ha! To be fair I generally always defend Shield and I think he does a decent job and he seems to me that he's got a genuine affection for United. That's just my opinion and I can't be arsed substantiating it if anyone asks!
 

S5Blade said:
Wilder confirmed today that Holmes wanted to come here, we agreed a fee and then Charlton moved the goal posts on the fee. He then said he could have spent 800k on him but it didn't represent value for money, so I'm guessing that's where they went with the price....
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Where did he confirm this s5?

If so think it's sensible - at 500k would have been a decent acquisition but for nearly a million think you'd be wanting some longer term value from him or at least someone proven at this level.

I wonder / hope the walker deal might mean we can look a level up from Holmes and so we've just gone nah whenthey started playing silly buggers.
 
Bladeinleeds said:
Where did he confirm this s5?

If so think it's sensible - at 500k would have been a decent acquisition but for nearly a million think you'd be wanting some longer term value from him or at least someone proven at this level.

I wonder / hope the walker deal might mean we can look a level up from Holmes and so we've just gone nah whenthey started playing silly buggers.
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Marbella, was an open training session and had a q&a with the fans and someone asked him
 
S5Blade said:
Wilder confirmed today that Holmes wanted to come here, we agreed a fee and then Charlton moved the goal posts on the fee. He then said he could have spent 800k on him but it didn't represent value for money, so I'm guessing that's where they went with the price....
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But Holmes said it was a no-brainer to stay at Charlton?!;)
 
He could have put in a transfer request to push his move to us, he and his agent has played a blinder going back and forth from Charlton and us.
 
I think maybe we are being a tad harsh on the lad, we never matched the valuation Charlton had for him, he did not sign for a contract with Charlton for weeks as it dragged on and he was given an improved one, which he would hardly turn down, still did not sign, probably looked and thought Sheffield United are not going to raise there bid, I have a better offer from current employers I should sign it and settle down ready for the pre-season and training.

I would think it went a little a long those lines, I still think he would have been a great addition and Wilder having previously managed him would know his strengths and weaknesses plus his character.
 
elgoog44 said:
I think maybe we are being a tad harsh on the lad, we never matched the valuation Charlton had for him, he did not sign for a contract with Charlton for weeks as it dragged on and he was given an improved one, which he would hardly turn down, still did not sign, probably looked and thought Sheffield United are not going to raise there bid, I have a better offer from current employers I should sign it and settle down ready for the pre-season and training.

I would think it went a little a long those lines, I still think he would have been a great addition and Wilder having previously managed him would know his strengths and weaknesses plus his character.
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I think it was pretty widely reported that Charlton said what the fee would need to be (around £500k) which we met, for then Charlton to then change their mind and up the price.
 
Liaminho9 said:
I think it was pretty widely reported that Charlton said what the fee would need to be (around £500k) which we met, for then Charlton to then change their mind and up the price.
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if that is the case then they blocked there own player and if he knows this I would imagine even with a signed contact he will not be the same player he was, or flip side he raises his game and becomes the player worthy of the price tag they have put on his head?
 
Can we confine this thread to the bin now.
I was really not that bothered about him, never played above league one pushing 30. Out of the 3 players that have taken over the rumours board he was the one I was least bothered about.
The Southend and Blackburn lads are a different matter.
 
Broomhall Blade said:
Can we confine this thread to the bin now.
I was really not that bothered about him, never played above league one pushing 30. Out of the 3 players that have taken over the rumours board he was the one I was least bothered about.
The Southend and Blackburn lads are a different matter.
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I think it is safe to say it is dead in the water and that Wilder & Co will have moved on to other targets :)
 

Scores wonder goals every season.

He's a great bet to win L1 player of the year.
 
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