CONFIRMED Ricky Holmes

[Tunstall Fred]

Our last bid was 400k. Which is what they paid for him and he's since proven to be one of the best players in the league so he's worth more than that.
We bid around 300 then 400k for Lenihan when Blackburn want 5mil (agree that's ridiculous but just goes how far away we are on their valutiations)

No idea what our bid was for Leonard but it was less than what's Millwall offered and they were both rejected.

What should we bid for each of the players you mentioned?

 

[Houso]

Our last bid was 400k. Which is what they paid for him and he's since proven to be one of the best players in the league so he's worth more than that.
We bid around 300 then 400k for Lenihan when Blackburn want 5mil (agree that's ridiculous but just goes how far away we are on their valutiations)

No idea what our bid was for Leonard but it was less than what's Millwall offered and they were both rejected.

Just to double check, were any of those confirmed by United, Southend, Charlton or Blackburn?

 

[Stretch]

Really not fussed about this. 30 year old and never played in the Championship (as far as I am aware). With Duffy, Carruthers and presumably now Brooks I think we have enough attacking midfield options. If anything would rather we signed another winger with pace to supplement Thomas.

A that being said, midfield aside it's more important that we sign a midfield enforcer, back up GK and another CB.

 

[Houso]

I'll be happy if we sign Holmes, but not shit the bed if we don't. Likewise Leonard.

Agree that we need another CB and obviously a backup keeper. Other than that, I'd be comfortable starting the season with what we have.

Mind you, I think maybe Stearman so far is the only new player we've signed likely to start in the first 11 next month. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing!

 

[dazzlingblade]

Our last bid was 400k. Which is what they paid for him and he's since proven to be one of the best players in the league so he's worth more than that.
We bid around 300 then 400k for Lenihan when Blackburn want 5mil (agree that's ridiculous but just goes how far away we are on their valutiations)

No idea what our bid was for Leonard but it was less than what's Millwall offered and they were both rejected.

and you know all this how?? ive not seen any information released on how much we bid

 

[LJBlade]

Our last bid was 400k. Which is what they paid for him and he's since proven to be one of the best players in the league so he's worth more than that.
We bid around 300 then 400k for Lenihan when Blackburn want 5mil (agree that's ridiculous but just goes how far away we are on their valutiations)

No idea what our bid was for Leonard but it was less than what's Millwall offered and they were both rejected.

How do you know?

I don't think you do, I just think you've read something somewhere, took it as fact and are now getting hysterical.

You want us to pay what Charlton value him at. What if they value him at £3m? Would you be happy for us to pay that?

 

[FTPE]

I'll be happy if we sign Holmes, but not shit the bed if we don't. Likewise Leonard.

Agree that we need another CB and obviously a backup keeper. Other than that, I'd be comfortable starting the season with what we have.

Mind you, I think maybe Stearman so far is the only new player we've signed likely to start in the first 11 next month. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing!

Thomas and Stevens might not start straight away but they will probably suit 4-4-2 more anyway.
I'd like to see Enda start as a wing back straight away but I think CW is also buying players that might suit different formations incase we need to adapt to stronger teams.

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

We bid what a player is worth to us. If that's a fair price to the opposition club then we sign them, if not then we dont. It's that simple.

If they aren't worth the asking price to us then we should be pay the asking price, and I trust Wilder to know a players value to us/him.

 

[B14Nco]

Our last bid was 400k. Which is what they paid for him and he's since proven to be one of the best players in the league so he's worth more than that.
We bid around 300 then 400k for Lenihan when Blackburn want 5mil (agree that's ridiculous but just goes how far away we are on their valutiations)

No idea what our bid was for Leonard but it was less than what's Millwall offered and they were both rejected.

Is he tho? Is he worth more than 400k? He's a year older and when you say one of the best players in the league... he was one of the best players in a really shit Charlton side.

I think 400k is reasonable. I think around 500k for any (league 1) player in the last year of their contract from a championship club is reasonable.

 

[Slim Man]

and you know all this how?? ive not seen any information released on how much we bid

Your choice to believe me or not

 

[Slim Man]

Is he tho? Is he worth more than 400k? He's a year older and when you say one of the best players in the league... he was one of the best players in a really shit Charlton side.

I think 400k is reasonable. I think around 500k for any (league 1) player in the last year of their contract from a championship club is reasonable.

He's worth as much as Charlton are willing to accept.

 

[Slim Man]

How do you know?

I don't think you do, I just think you've read something somewhere, took it as fact and are now getting hysterical.

You want us to pay what Charlton value him at. What if they value him at £3m? Would you be happy for us to pay that?

I know. I know what I know and know what I don't, hence why I didn't say I knew what we bid for Leonard.

He isn't worth 7 figures but he's worth more than what Charlton paid for him 12 months ago.

And I'm getting hysterical? Might be a bit over the top.

 

[JJBlade]

Who know? Fulham wanted rid and Wolves didn't want him. We may have got him for a cut price.

At the end of the day if we don't get Holmes having only made offers miles under the valuation - that's trying to do it on the cheap, no?

How dare we make a comment about how the club does its transfers. How dare we say anything negative? We're but amateurs and not allowed to have an option. Deary me indeed.

Don't worry about it Danny
Some of us including Wilder know that there is no set price on a footballer, if you want a player bad enough you will have to pay more for him

A club asks a certain price and it either rolls over and accepts whatever it can get (sound familiar)

Or it shows some ambition and digs it heels in for the price that THEY value him at (sound unfamiliar ?)

Even though Ricky Holmes and Ryan Leonard will now single handedly reduce their respective clubs to rack and ruin and create an awful atmosphere (sound familiar again) Charlton and Southend should be applauded for not rolling over like a bitch

It's another example of how primitive this clubs transfer policy remains that they believe the same excuses would be used by the Charlton and Southend boardrooms as has been used by ours when it comes to explaining the selling of players to their fans

 

[Slim Man]

I'll be happy if we sign Holmes, but not shit the bed if we don't. Likewise Leonard.

Agree that we need another CB and obviously a backup keeper. Other than that, I'd be comfortable starting the season with what we have.

Mind you, I think maybe Stearman so far is the only new player we've signed likely to start in the first 11 next month. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing!

Ummm I agree and disagree.

I'd not be that bothered about Holmes but Wilder seems to love him and I trust his opinion more than my own.

A Leonard type is a must in this division. It allows Basham to concentrate solely on being a defender because Leonard is basically Basham with more footballing ability and a few goals.

And I think Stevens and Baldock will possibly take the wing back spots considering our starts. They're really good.

 

[Slim Man]

Don't worry about it Danny
Some of us including Wilder know that there is no set price on a footballer, if you want a player bad enough you will have to pay more for him

A club asks a certain price and it either rolls over and accepts whatever it can get (sound familiar)

Or it shows some ambition and digs it heels in for the price that THEY value him at (sound unfamiliar ?)

Even though Ricky Holmes and Ryan Leonard will now single handedly reduce their respective clubs to rack and ruin and create an awful atmosphere (sound familiar again) Charlton and Southend should be applauded for not rolling over like a bitch

It's another example of how primitive this clubs transfer policy remains that they believe the same excuses would be used by the Charlton and Southend boardrooms as has been used by ours when it comes to explaining the selling of players to their fans

I can't believe how defensive people get when you say something slightly negative. It's really bizarre.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Ummm I agree and disagree.

I'd not be that bothered about Holmes but Wilder seems to love him and I trust his opinion more than my own.

A Leonard type is a must in this division. It allows Basham to concentrate solely on being a defender because Leonard is basically Basham with more footballing ability and a few goals.

And I think Stevens and Baldock will possibly take the wing back spots considering our starts. They're really good.

So if you trust Wilder more than your own opinion why do you have an issue with these 'ridiculous ' bids?

These bids will be under Wilders guidance and will be in line with what budget he's planned.

 

[Slim Man]

So if you trust Wilder more than your own opinion why do you have an issue with these 'ridiculous ' bids?

These bids will be under Wilders guidance and will be in line with what budget he's planned.

Because we're low balling clubs and it won't work in most cases. Wilder is only working to a budget at the end of he day

 

[LJBlade]

I know. I know what I know and know what I don't, hence why I didn't say I knew what we bid for Leonard.

He isn't worth 7 figures but he's worth more than what Charlton paid for him 12 months ago.

And I'm getting hysterical? Might be a bit over the top.

So you know exactly how much we offered for Holmes? Can I just ask how you know this?

Also, do you think that Wilder is offering less than he thinks Holmes is worth?

 

[B14Nco]

He's worth as much as Charlton are willing to accept.

That's crazy talk.

 

[B14Nco]

Because we're low balling clubs and it won't work in most cases. Wilder is only working to a budget at the end of he day

We've signed 5 players. 5.

 

[dazzlingblade]

Your choice to believe me or not

ok i wont as i dont recall you telling us about stearman or anything else worthwhile, and that didnt really answer my question of how you know

 

[LJBlade]

Because we're low balling clubs and it won't work in most cases. Wilder is only working to a budget at the end of he day

So if Wilder had an unlimited budget you think he'd be happy to pay more than he thinks they're worth?

 

[St Annington]

CW already knows whether Holmes is coming or not. Relax, and just wait while an announcement is made either way.

 

[B14Nco]

Don't worry about it Danny
Some of us including Wilder know that there is no set price on a footballer, if you want a player bad enough you will have to pay more for him

A club asks a certain price and it either rolls over and accepts whatever it can get (sound familiar)

Or it shows some ambition and digs it heels in for the price that THEY value him at (sound unfamiliar ?)

Even though Ricky Holmes and Ryan Leonard will now single handedly reduce their respective clubs to rack and ruin and create an awful atmosphere (sound familiar again) Charlton and Southend should be applauded for not rolling over like a bitch

It's another example of how primitive this clubs transfer policy remains that they believe the same excuses would be used by the Charlton and Southend boardrooms as has been used by ours when it comes to explaining the selling of players to their fans

If only we could be as ambitious as Charlton... I'd much rather be them. In fact let's swap places with them.

Comes down to we don't want him for the price they want to sell at.

 

[Slim Man]

We've signed 5 players. 5.

And there's 3 publicised that we've been after that we're nowhere near the valuations. 3.

 

[Slim Man]

That's crazy talk.

Can you go into Morrisons, take the Jack Daniels priced at £18 and pay £10?

 

[FriethBlade]

We bid what a player is worth to us. If that's a fair price to the opposition club then we sign them, if not then we dont. It's that simple.

If they aren't worth the asking price to us then we should be pay the asking price, and I trust Wilder to know a players value to us/him.

But do we ? I think that's part of the equation but a bigger part is we bid what we can afford. If Wilder had the firepower of Wolves he wouldn't be dicking around, he'd either be after better players or if he really wanted Holmes and Leonard they'd already be here.

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

But do we ? I think that's part of the equation but a bigger part is we bid what we can afford. If Wilder had the firepower of Wolves he wouldn't be dicking around, he'd either be after better players or if he really wanted Holmes and Leonard they'd already be here.

If we had he spending power of Wolves we'd sign better players, if they had the spending power of Spurs, if them of Man Utd so I don't see the value in that comparison. I'm not arguing that we have the spending power to sign the best players so that's a straw man.

My point is that Wilder has a budget, within that budget he is trying to sign the best possible players at values he feels they are worth to us. If the selling clubs feel they are worth more to them than we feel they are to us they don't sign. We shouldn't be paying more for players than they are worth to us.

 

[Ricky]

If Wilder thinks Holmes would be as important as he seems to, if we've been chasing him for 2/3 months and if we've missed out on alternative targets in the meantime then we're already committed to him and really ought to properly commit to signing him - without paying silly money.

I'd like to think what and how we bid is entirely down to Wilder but I'm not so sure it is.

Maybe being 'close to signing a new contract' with Charlton will force our hand and we'll finally offer something they might accept.

But if he's willing to sign another contract with Charlton this early, that indicates he's not that bothered about coming here. So should we be bothered about him?

I want him here because Wilder does, and because I think he's a reliable performer who's got a lot to offer for the next 2 seasons at least. I also think it would be bloody stupid if we were unwilling to offer him a 3 year contract. If he has 2 decent seasons in the Championship he will have at least maintained his value by the end of his 2nd year, despite being 32 by then.

A possible positive to not signing him could be David Brooks. It could lead to opportunities for him and we could end up with a younger, better player. The McFadzean saga last year is most comparable to this one (with Smarmy Karl involved again) and we came out of that one well with Ebanks-Landell arriving instead. Maybe similar could happen again. That said, it's not like we'd be able to keep Brooks a long time is it.

 

[The Crab]

Can you go into Morrisons, take the Jack Daniels priced at £18 and pay £10?

Not sure that applies here mate. The price in Morrisons is a fixed price. You pay it or you don't (or if you are a thieving bastard you just take it).

I'd liken it more to say, an Antiques Fair or a Car Boot. The seller has a price in mind, the buyer makes an under offer and hopefully they meet somewhere in between.