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Reading the long, rambling statement from Dolphin Killer in which he's offering the grunters season ticket refunds brought up a question in my mind.

Can you really be counted as a supporter if you view your relationship to your club as a transactional one?

At no point during the Adkins season did I think "I want my money back" despite the mind-numbing, soul destroying shite I was witnessing on the pitch. It just didn't occur to me.

Purchasing a season ticket isn't some investment that rewards your money with on-field success. It's an expression of active support and at best a display of blind faith.
As a fan (especially one of Sheffield United) you willingly live this life with an acceptance that your efforts and your wishes won't be fulfilled.

This is why football -despite being referred to as a 'business' in the modern era- can never entirely run on business principles where fans are part of the equation.
If you receive a poor product for your money in any other situation, you move on to a better competitor. If you get a poor return on an investment you cut your losses. Football up until now doesn't work that way, not when you factor in emotional attachment.

Is the Pig owners offer a sign of a changing attitude from modern football fans or is it just a gesture aimed at placating the grunters?
 



I doubt people from an area directly linked to the club they support would feel like that. You get the odd grumble but entertainment and winning are a bonus. Your support is a cross to bear.

If you have come to the party based on success (London, Manchester seem to be the biggest examples) I could understand this being something you'd follow up.

Main point is there are 2 types of fans. Lifelong supporters and success followers. Not casting aspertions on either but the mentality is wildly different
 
Does the refund offer still apply now they have sacked the manager on Christmas Eve?
 
Carlton Blade said:
I doubt people from an area directly linked to the club they support would feel like that. You get the odd grumble but entertainment and winning are a bonus. Your support is a cross to bear.

If you have come to the party based on success (London, Manchester seem to be the biggest examples) I could understand this being something you'd follow up.

Main point is there are 2 types of fans. Lifelong supporters and success followers. Not casting assertions on either but the mentality is wildly different
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I would say success followers would buy a half and half scarf given the chance,lifelong supporters would burn one,given the chance
 
I can understand the sentiment of not renewing a season ticket based on whatever dross the club has served up in the previous season(s), but demanding your money back mid-season? Nah.
 
Their Chairman hasn't a clue, as he has said, about football. Unfortunately, he's bought into a club whereby the majority of their support know far too much about football and of the football business.

We shouldn't castigate him, but as human beings, show a sense of humility and at times, maybe offer some advice and love.

Let us all send our love and best wishes to DC...

Amen.

X
 
Is there a time limit upon which they can take advantage of this offer?

If Mr Chansiri had given his 100% support to Carlos then made the offer then I'm sure there would have been many accepting.

Now by dismissing Carlos the fan's hopes will have risen and they'll hang on to their tickets.

If things don't work out well Mr Chansiri can always refer this back to fans and say 'well I gave you the opportunity'.
 
bornablade said:
Is there a time limit upon which they can take advantage of this offer?

If Mr Chansiri had given his 100% support to Carlos then made the offer then I'm sure there would have been many accepting.

Now by dismissing Carlos the fan's hopes will have risen and they'll hang on to their tickets.

If things don't work out well Mr Chansiri can always refer this back to fans and say 'well I gave you the opportunity'.
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Just after your 10 million pound record signing bottles a penalty would be the time to get your money back
 
I’ve watched some **ite at the Lane i the past 50 years and NEVER has the thought gone through my mind that I wanted my money back BUT there has mostly (apart from the McDonald era and he was as bad as Despot) been a massively strong bond between our club and our fans. Despot has layer by layer peeled the bonds away at S6. They are a shell of a club. Good work!
 
Has anyone read the Pig Chairman statement? Its bizarre, illiterate rambling nonsense and its hard work, but strangely compelling.
It really feels like the thoughts of North Korean despot.
Telling fans they can get refunds if not happy. Lots of other mutterings about family
And this:
'But if today some of our fans do not believe or do not trust me anymore, they should let me know, because there is no point in me being here away from my family even though Sheffield Wednesday is in my blood and Hillsborough is like my second home'.

Very very weird.
 



Tyler Durden said:
Reading the long, rambling statement from Dolphin Killer in which he's offering the grunters season ticket refunds brought up a question in my mind.

Can you really be counted as a supporter if you view your relationship to your club as a transactional one?

At no point during the Adkins season did I think "I want my money back" despite the mind-numbing, soul destroying shite I was witnessing on the pitch. It just didn't occur to me.

Purchasing a season ticket isn't some investment that rewards your money with on-field success. It's an expression of active support and at best a display of blind faith.
As a fan (especially one of Sheffield United) you willingly live this life with an acceptance that your efforts and your wishes won't be fulfilled.

This is why football -despite being referred to as a 'business' in the modern era- can never entirely run on business principles where fans are part of the equation.
If you receive a poor product for your money in any other situation, you move on to a better competitor. If you get a poor return on an investment you cut your losses. Football up until now doesn't work that way, not when you factor in emotional attachment.

Is the Pig owners offer a sign of a changing attitude from modern football fans or is it just a gesture aimed at placating the grunters?
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It depends on the connection one has to the club and how strong that connection is.

For many like yourself it's home and away pretty much every week without question. For people like me, it's a season ticket with the odd away day chucked in etc.

But there are plenty of people about who view going to see United as a once-in-a-while kind of deal and they're the ones more likely to view it as something resembling a transaction. I've often heard 'well I'm not going again this year' and the like when we were shit. I wouldn't so much call them 'fair weather' as that'd be derogatory, it's just that many people have different priorities.

In my eyes a season ticket is indeed a commitment to support your club at home for the season come what may. If some piglets have indeed been emailing the Tunaman asking for refunds, it's not because they view supporting their club as a transaction.

It's because they're fucking thick.
 
west_yorks_blade said:
Has anyone read the Pig Chairman statement? Its bizarre, illiterate rambling nonsense and its hard work, but strangely compelling.
It really feels like the thoughts of North Korean despot.
Telling fans they can get refunds if not happy. Lots of other mutterings about family
And this:
'But if today some of our fans do not believe or do not trust me anymore, they should let me know, because there is no point in me being here away from my family even though Sheffield Wednesday is in my blood and Hillsborough is like my second home'.

Very very weird.
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Let's hope his first home isn't a shitty decrepit rust-bucket full of mentally retarded people mooching about.
 
The comparison between “shitty decrepit rust-bucket full of mentally retarded people mooching about.' and villa Park was stark. These 2 grounds used to be on a par for semi finals ,Villa park is decades ahead of that shithole now.
 
Tyler Durden said:
Reading the long, rambling statement from Dolphin Killer in which he's offering the grunters season ticket refunds brought up a question in my mind.

Can you really be counted as a supporter if you view your relationship to your club as a transactional one?

At no point during the Adkins season did I think "I want my money back" despite the mind-numbing, soul destroying shite I was witnessing on the pitch. It just didn't occur to me.

Purchasing a season ticket isn't some investment that rewards your money with on-field success. It's an expression of active support and at best a display of blind faith.
As a fan (especially one of Sheffield United) you willingly live this life with an acceptance that your efforts and your wishes won't be fulfilled.

This is why football -despite being referred to as a 'business' in the modern era- can never entirely run on business principles where fans are part of the equation.
If you receive a poor product for your money in any other situation, you move on to a better competitor. If you get a poor return on an investment you cut your losses. Football up until now doesn't work that way, not when you factor in emotional attachment.

Is the Pig owners offer a sign of a changing attitude from modern football fans or is it just a gesture aimed at placating the grunters?
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Looks like you are back from illness in sound body and mind. Enjoyed that post.
 
sheffielder said:
Sacking someone on new years eve shows me their club lacks emotion. Their club already lacked heart before today. Offering the fans their money back shows me they don't understand fans at all.
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What it actually shows is a complete lack of class. UTB
 
There maybe a queue down there if it's a refund on the whole 3 year deal.
 
...and yet some will insist a chairman of a football club should 'get a return on his investment'...funny old game eh.

Merry Christmas!
 
It’s great to see the wheels coming off!

They’ve tried their best at pretending to be happy with the way their club is being run. Trying to justify paying ridiculous prices, having their kit changed from stripes whilst the chairman’s name is plastered everywhere.

He NOW threatens them that he may start to run the club as a business! How much will he put tickets and shirt prices up to if he now wants to make a profit!?

Phase 1 now complete with him pretty much telling the fans to fuck off if they’re not happy.

Phase 2 should see him cut his losses & sell up to some dodgy consortium leaving them in the shit financially.
 
I think they're already in the shit financially. From what I’ve read, I reckon all their over priced over paid players were funded by Doyen group. If so they have 3 years to repay the loans. Most clubs can sell players to make sure they meet the repayment schedule; but let’s face it, who is going to buy ANY of their players for anything other than prices significantly below what they paid for them? If they don’t get promoted, they wont have the revenue and at best, under FFP they’ll be knackered: at worst (for them) they could go into administration or bust.
 



Esablade said:
...and yet some will insist a chairman of a football club should 'get a return on his investment'...funny old game eh.

Merry Christmas!
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Can't recall ever seeing that on here,

Don't suppose you could find us a couple of examples?
 
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