Referee Inconsistency

[Rufus Smalls]

I was sat in the south stand so the Billy sending off looked bad from the back. I thought the ref didn’t have much choice but to show a red. From other angles it now looks a bit harsh and their player rolling around didn’t help either. What is really annoying is you then have another look at the ankle breaker on Norwood (I think it was) in the Bournemouth match and I don’t even think a yellow was given. The foul by Billy on Saturday was rash but the tackle/ankle breaker on Norwood has to be intentional as the ball had gone. How the fuck can the two tackles be handled so differently by the refs who have to apply the same rules for every match ??

UTB.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Because they’re almost universally useless?

Do I win a prize????

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Because they’re almost universally useless?

Do I win a prize????

Yes - free entry into the College of Competent Football Referees, where no one has graduated from since before the Premiere League was formed.

 

[guancheblade]

I was sat in the south stand so the Billy sending off looked bad from the back. I thought the ref didn’t have much choice but to show a red. From other angles it now looks a bit harsh and their player rolling around didn’t help either. What is really annoying is you then have another look at the ankle breaker on Norwood (I think it was) in the Bournemouth match and I don’t even think a yellow was given. The foul by Billy on Saturday was rash but the tackle/ankle breaker on Norwood has to be intentional as the ball had gone. How the fuck can the two tackles be handled so differently by the refs who have to apply the same rules for every match ??

UTB.

Not a single other Saint appealed for a card, let alone a red! That tells its own story that Lee Mason was oblivious too. He couldn't wait to unfairly punish as again in the game.

 

[HillStreet Blade]

Watching MOTD2 last night I thought that Fabian Delph did a knee high studs showing foul much worse than Billy's but only worth a yellow card. Guess it is a case of who the refs know.

 

[RecordBreakers]

I think it's the law makers an var that is making the refs job become more an more impossible. They dont know whether there coming or going!

 

[LS16Blade]

Watching MOTD2 last night I thought that Fabian Delph did a knee high studs showing foul much worse than Billy's but only worth a yellow card. Guess it is a case of who the refs know.

Thought exactly the same thing.

As a result, Delph will be available on Saturday and Bill won’t. When these cretins are making their wildly inconsistent decisions, the ramifications extend beyond the particular match that they are ruining.

 

[diplomat]

In the same game there was a sliding tackle done by a Southampton player that was very late and looked studs up but he didn't even get a yellow. The Bournemouth one on Norwood was horrible and a red all day for me. Are those kind of things supposed to be checked by VAR? I lose track.

 

[super_pig]

Not a single other Saint appealed for a card, let alone a red! That tells its own story that Lee Mason was oblivious too. He couldn't wait to unfairly punish as again in the game.

normally if it is a bad one the players come piling in. Noone moved. they lined up for the inevitable free kick. some even patted bill on the back as he left the field

 

[Grecian2000]

Are those kind of things supposed to be checked by VAR? I lose track.

Makes no difference. VAR is being run by the same incompetent twats that officiate the game. Sticking together like glue!
Ref misses a blatant pen (see Liverpool and ourselves on Saturday), VAR lets the decision stand. What the fuck is it for if you just agree with the referee and don't correct the mistakes????
Mike Riley was always one of the worst referees in the game and now he's in charge of the wankers, tells you everything you need to know (that and not having a representative at the World Cup). Can't wait until Dean retires and takes the reins as reffing supremo.

 

[KeyffSmyff]

I tend to agree Grecian, don't want to embarrass their mates in the middle because it will be them in the middle next week. No big fan of Dermott Gallagher, but ref watch is needed. I think it is OK for them to make mistakes, just as it is OK for Didzy to miss chances and Billy's mistake on the tackle. But the point of VAR should be help them when they have made a howler.

Already subs are walking off the pitch in the age old manner, say something and stick with it.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

In the same game there was a sliding tackle done by a Southampton player that was very late and looked studs up but he didn't even get a yellow. The Bournemouth one on Norwood was horrible and a red all day for me. Are those kind of things supposed to be checked by VAR? I lose track.

Totally agree about the Norwood foul being a straight red. Thing is we saw multiple replays on The telly within a minute of the incident so why the fuck didn’t VAR get activated under the ‘sending off’ category of review ????

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Then you get pricks like Chris Foy defending their friends in the media. Apparently it couldn't have been a handball as the defender wasn't looking at the ball. Has anyone ever heard of this supposed rule before? When defenders are blocking a shot, why don't they just turn their back and stick their arms out Worzel Gummidge style if it can never be a penalty? More to the point, why was the defender not looking at the ball? Was he the only person in the ground not aware that a corner was being taken?

 

[Toronto Blade]

Then you get pricks like Chris Foy defending their friends in the media. Apparently it couldn't have been a handball as the defender wasn't looking at the ball. Has anyone ever heard of this supposed rule before? When defenders are blocking a shot, why don't they just turn their back and stick their arms out Worzel Gummidge style if it can never be a penalty? More to the point, why was the defender not looking at the ball? Was he the only person in the ground not aware that a corner was being taken?

No there was a few other idiots besides the defender. A lino, ref and a VAR babysitter.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

If anyone needs a reminder how shit Mike Dean is then watch the Villa v WHU match

 

[awblade]

I think it's just a better way for them to help fix matches how they want, with the added layer of 'it has been checked from multiple different angles and so this is the correct decision'

 

[diplomat]

Already subs are walking off the pitch in the age old manner, say something and stick with it.

Funnily enough the one that didn’t was Adams. He went off behind the goal and walked round. I thought he was going to get some abuse from G&H but he didn’t seem to.

 

[MobileBlade]

If anyone needs a reminder how shit Mike Dean is then watch the Villa v WHU match

Think Sharp will feel a bit hard done by looking at that McGinn tackle. Billy just forgot to roll about afterwards.

 

[pommpey]

The handball by Ward-Prowse.

Ref gave a corner. Okay, ref. So it came off Ward-Prowse for you to give the corner? He played it - he was the last one to touch it.

It came off his fucking arm!

Not even a consideration of VAR.

pommpey

 

[Silent Blade]

The handball by Ward-Prowse.

Ref gave a corner. Okay, ref. So it came off Ward-Prowse for you to give the corner? He played it - he was the last one to touch it.

It came off his fucking arm!

Not even a consideration of VAR.

pommpey

VAR can overrule a goal and a penalty award but not a non penalty award. Had Mason pointed to the penalty spot then VAR would have supported him. The new handball rules state that it is a handball if "a player's hand or arm has made their body "unnaturally bigger" whether accidental or not"

 

[diplomat]

VAR can overrule a goal and a penalty award but not a non penalty award. Had Mason pointed to the penalty spot then VAR would have supported him. The new handball rules state that it is a handball if "a player's hand or arm has made their body "unnaturally bigger" whether accidental or not"

Really? That seems very odd if VAR cannot help a ref with something he missed or got wrong that could be so important. Taking it to the extreme a ref should give every possible penalty for fear of missing one and let VAR rule out the ones that are not correct.

Not casting doubt on what you are saying btw, just the logic of where the involvement stops.

I’m sure that there was a VAR check during the game for the handball though? Did I imagine that? If there was a review but they cannot correct a non award, why would they have a review?

 

[Grecian2000]

No big fan of Dermott Gallagher, but ref watch is needed.

Not sure what this is but my thoughts are that a referee should have to stand up after the game and explain the decisions he's made rather than be hidden away.
As you say, everyone makes mistakes, BUT if you have to justify them afterwards you might just improve over time and stop making the same ones over and over.

 

[Selly]

VAR can overrule a goal and a penalty award but not a non penalty award

That can't be true.

They did a VAR check before we took the corner. Why do that if it wasn't to check for a penalty?

 

[Grecian2000]

Didn't France get one in the World Cup Final, for their first goal, after the referee "missed" a handball?

 

[Silent Blade]

Really? That seems very odd if VAR cannot help a ref with something he missed or got wrong that could be so important. Taking it to the extreme a ref should give every possible penalty for fear of missing one and let VAR rule out the ones that are not correct.

Not casting doubt on what you are saying btw, just the logic of where the involvement stops.

I’m sure that there was a VAR check during the game for the handball though? Did I imagine that? If there was a review but they cannot correct a non award, why would they have a review?

I find it odd too. I suppose it is because the PL do not want too many VAR reviews.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Watching MOTD2 last night I thought that Fabian Delph did a knee high studs showing foul much worse than Billy's but only worth a yellow card. Guess it is a case of who the refs know.

I mentioned about Delphs tackle in another thread,as soon as he did it i thought he wont be playing against us next Saturday,how wrong i was, Billys big toe was far worse than Delphs studs .

 

[Silent Blade]

That can't be true.

They did a VAR check before we took the corner. Why do that if it wasn't to check for a penalty?

Yes, it is true, I only found out on Saturday night. Yes, the VAR check before we took the corner was pointless.

 

[Silent Blade]

Didn't France get one in the World Cup Final, for their first goal, after the referee "missed" a handball?

Yes, but the PL doesnt want too many VAR reviews

 

[MobileBlade]

VAR does check for things like the " missed " handball. Where the Premier League have got it wrong - and I did say this when they said they were introducing - is that the decision is taken by the var referee not the onfield ref. In the World Cup and indeed in other countries it is referred back to the referee for pitch side monitor review for decisions like this.

 

[norfolkblade]

Yes, but the PL doesnt want too many VAR reviews

Why the hell does the PL get to decide this? Surely FIFA who govern this and have implemented it should be telling them that if you are going to have it, it's going to be used correctly as per the World Cup. Otherwise, what's the point?