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This will probably sounds like I’m overreacting but in my opinion we should just start the rebuild now. Sell berge for as much as you can, sell some of the others and start some of the younger players or at least give them a clearer pathway.
 



adamawdhali said:
This will probably sounds like I’m overreacting but in my opinion we should just start the rebuild now. Sell berge for as much as you can, sell some of the others and start some of the younger players or at least give them a clearer pathway.
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Nobody will want to pay for Berge. He’s not Championship standard.

That strategy will see us relegated in 2 seasons.
 
adamawdhali said:
This will probably sounds like I’m overreacting but in my opinion we should just start the rebuild now. Sell berge for as much as you can, sell some of the others and start some of the younger players or at least give them a clearer pathway.
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We won't rebuild much with £5m
 
Millhousesblade1889 said:
I genuinely think we’ll be in Derbys position eventually. The Prince is out his depth financially & wouldn’t think twice pulling the plug to make sure it doesn’t ruin him even more financially.
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I’m not going to lie and say I always though prince was shit because I didn’t, I genuinely backed him but it’s not a coincidence that 2 of the 3 main teams have experienced relegation and the 3rd team (beerschot) look all but certain to be relegated as well
 
adamawdhali said:
I’m not going to lie and say I always though prince was shit because I didn’t, I genuinely backed him but it’s not a coincidence that 2 of the 3 main teams have experienced relegation and the 3rd team (beerschot) look all but certain to be relegated as well
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Trusts the wrong people. From Phipps auctioning motorbikes on the pitch to snakey Bettis running the show.

Van Winkel attempting to sign his own players Verrips/ Berge.

A chairman who said “you won’t be seeing much of me after this” & “I’m not a football man”.

It’s laughable to be honest.
 
Millhousesblade1889 said:
Trusts the wrong people. From Phipps auctioning motorbikes on the pitch to snakey Bettis running the show.

Van Winkel attempting to sign his own players Verrips/ Berge.

A chairman who said “you won’t be seeing much of me after this” & “I’m not a football man”.

It’s laughable to be honest.
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Agreed. I don’t think the prince himself is a bad person or anything but my god the shit he surrounds himself with and takes advice from is on another level
 
Pity is us the fans arnt laughing ... not happy .... foreign owned with no money.... United World will be our downfall!
 
adamawdhali said:
Agreed. I don’t think the prince himself is a bad person or anything but my god the shit he surrounds himself with and takes advice from is on another level
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I don't like anyone that when we are doing well flaunts round on skysports and talksport but as soon as the going gets tough goes into hiding
 
I wish we were in a position to rebuild but I don’t think we are. We have significant millstone contracts given out to ageing players on the down slope of their careers that we won’t be able shift onto other clubs. We have high value assets that have completely tanked their value. We also don’t seem willing to be active in the transfer market above academy level.

I think the plan is to phase academy players into the senior set up but I’m not sure that’s workable realistically outside of Jebbison there’s no one banging on the door for starts at this level maybe a couple more will do so in the next few years but by the time they do will Jebbison and Ndiaye still be here?

Ultimately to rebuild we have to invest not lavishly but enough to allow us to be competitive with other clubs at this level and I’m not sure we can do so.
 



adamawdhali said:
This will probably sounds like I’m overreacting but in my opinion we should just start the rebuild now. Sell berge for as much as you can, sell some of the others and start some of the younger players or at least give them a clearer pathway.
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Completely agree.

That should have been the focus at the start of the season but everyone was drunk and thought we'd walk the league. Recruiting the wrong manager for the situation cost us 10 games and a wasted window.

We need to plan for the future. Extending Billy and Didzy's contracts are backwards moves. Basically putting off the inevitable need to rebuild and making it harder when we do as more people out of contract at the end of next season.

You sell Berge if you can get around £10 million. You bit their hand off. Just about anyone can go really, though I doubt there will be many takers.

I doubt we'll do it. We'll keep playing players who are on the downward curve of their careers as long as we can as that is easier. It will likely not end well.
 
It's easy to look at the older players in the squad like McGoldrick, Basham and Sharp and think they are the immediate priority to look to move on - all been terrific servants, all made great contributions to our success. But we know their best days are behind them.

However, I don't think they are the immediate problem. They could still make useful contributions in a much better squad than we currently have. I think we are now simply paying the price for pretty poor recruitment in the previous two campaigns. Berge, McBurnie and Brewster all cost a combined £67m, and now we would struggle to get £10m combined for all three of them. Mousset made a decent contribution in his first season, but the fact he never does 90 minutes makes him unreliable.

It's now clear Jokanovic was never going to work well as our manager under these conditions. Right man, wrong situation. With Heckingbottom, someone who will galvanise and motivate, the owners are now simply hoping for a minor miracle that he can get the best from a squad where:
  1. its core is past its best - Basham, Sharp, McGoldrick, Stevens
  2. the expensive signings have lost us money and failed to deliver on the pitch - Berge, Brewster, McBurnie
  3. the rest of the squad around them simply average - Robinson, Norwood, Burke, Freeman,
We are in a situation where we haven't got much to sell (other than N'Diaye), and we can't really afford to buy. The situation here won't begin to be sorted until we can clear some of these players out, but it won't happen in one or two transfer windows. Even then, we just have to hope we recruit better. Not every signing will come off, but most of them have to to have a chance of success. I just hope we have a decent strategy for when the opportunity to do it comes.
 
Panini said:
Are we wetting the bed because we've been crap in an away defeat, or did I miss all these comments after the win at Fulham?
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Just a matter of opinion I guess. In my eyes we’re not going forward. Just stagnant. I’d rather sell some of these suppose bigger names in the squad and invest in facilities and some actual good scouting instead of “yeah failed wonderkid let’s give it a go and hope for the best”
 
Panini said:
Are we wetting the bed because we've been crap in an away defeat, or did I miss all these comments after the win at Fulham?
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We lost at Wolves as well didnt we? Did you come on here with your smart Alec comments after that one too? Its clear to most fair minded fans that if we are starting JLT, Didz and Sharp in every game, which we seem to be doing without fail, then the wheels have well and truly fallen off.
 
Duffy21Blade said:
It's easy to look at the older players in the squad like McGoldrick, Basham and Sharp and think they are the immediate priority to look to move on - all been terrific servants, all made great contributions to our success. But we know their best days are behind them.

However, I don't think they are the immediate problem. They could still make useful contributions in a much better squad than we currently have. I think we are now simply paying the price for pretty poor recruitment in the previous two campaigns. Berge, McBurnie and Brewster all cost a combined £67m, and now we would struggle to get £10m combined for all three of them. Mousset made a decent contribution in his first season, but the fact he never does 90 minutes makes him unreliable.

It's now clear Jokanovic was never going to work well as our manager under these conditions. Right man, wrong situation. With Heckingbottom, someone who will galvanise and motivate, the owners are now simply hoping for a minor miracle that he can get the best from a squad where:
  1. its core is past its best - Basham, Sharp, McGoldrick, Stevens
  2. the expensive signings have lost us money and failed to deliver on the pitch - Berge, Brewster, McBurnie
  3. the rest of the squad around them simply average - Robinson, Norwood, Burke, Freeman,
We are in a situation where we haven't got much to sell (other than N'Diaye), and we can't really afford to buy. The situation here won't begin to be sorted until we can clear some of these players out, but it won't happen in one or two transfer windows. Even then, we just have to hope we recruit better. Not every signing will come off, but most of them have to to have a chance of success. I just hope we have a decent strategy for when the opportunity to do it comes.
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Absolutely. By rebuild I was referring more to cutting ties with these failed premier league signings. Funny part is, the best premier league signings were the ones that cost £4m (bogle) and £5m (osborn)
 
Personal I think we are just rusty 2 games in the last 26 days. To much over reaction on today's performance lets see were we are after the next 3. So all I can do now is pub and curry UTB FTP
 
Duffy21Blade said:
It's easy to look at the older players in the squad like McGoldrick, Basham and Sharp and think they are the immediate priority to look to move on - all been terrific servants, all made great contributions to our success. But we know their best days are behind them.

However, I don't think they are the immediate problem. They could still make useful contributions in a much better squad than we currently have. I think we are now simply paying the price for pretty poor recruitment in the previous two campaigns. Berge, McBurnie and Brewster all cost a combined £67m, and now we would struggle to get £10m combined for all three of them. Mousset made a decent contribution in his first season, but the fact he never does 90 minutes makes him unreliable.

It's now clear Jokanovic was never going to work well as our manager under these conditions. Right man, wrong situation. With Heckingbottom, someone who will galvanise and motivate, the owners are now simply hoping for a minor miracle that he can get the best from a squad where:
  1. its core is past its best - Basham, Sharp, McGoldrick, Stevens
  2. the expensive signings have lost us money and failed to deliver on the pitch - Berge, Brewster, McBurnie
  3. the rest of the squad around them simply average - Robinson, Norwood, Burke, Freeman,
We are in a situation where we haven't got much to sell (other than N'Diaye), and we can't really afford to buy. The situation here won't begin to be sorted until we can clear some of these players out, but it won't happen in one or two transfer windows. Even then, we just have to hope we recruit better. Not every signing will come off, but most of them have to to have a chance of success. I just hope we have a decent strategy for when the opportunity to do it comes.
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You're right, the older players are only half the problem. The fact is that I'd rather sell Burke and Mousset and keep Sharp and McGoldrick but realistically that isn't happening. I don't think any of those 4 are good enough to start every week at this level. McBurnie has chavved up his own social media presence.

We need to get better players in starting games but we have too many players blocking their path in the first team.

We need a whole new midfield. We need half a defence. We need a keeper. We need a striker. We need to decide what to do with Ndiaye. He can't play in midfield for me. Ball retention is poor and he puts a shift in but nothing defensively really.

We have no money. We're spending millions on players who are not contributing to the team.

The reason we should be letting those go at the end of their contracts is that they prevent us bringing new players in.
 
ChipButtyBlade said:
Rather than REBUILD we really need to REFOCUS.

The called off games covid and shenanigens has derailed the momentum and focus that the players were getting back.
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There may be some truth in that but , we weren’t even getting the basics of football right today.

UTB.
 
adamawdhali said:
Absolutely. By rebuild I was referring more to cutting ties with these failed premier league signings. Funny part is, the best premier league signings were the ones that cost £4m (bogle) and £5m (osborn)
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No I agree with you mate. The expensive gambles have simply not delivered thus far.

The only defence I could give them all, is that McBurnie and Brewster have largely been rotated, and Berge hasn't managed a long run of games due to injuries. But that aside, when their time has come, they haven't delivered enough. I hope they can still do it, because that would mean we are doing well, but I just can't see it happening.

Bogle is OK - definitely an attacking wing back and not a defensive full back. Osborn is a good squad player, gives great energy and can come in and do a job when required, but on the whole, the squad is lacking real star quality. Not to mention our best player (Gibbs-White) is only on loan, and we wouldn't be in a realistic position to buy him.
 
Hold up. Heckingbottom was the breath of fresh air we needed after the Fulham result according to most. The players were playing for the shirt, etc, etc. A bad result and a poor performance later and the futures bleak. Some proper wet wipes among our fan base.
 
Duffy21Blade said:
It's easy to look at the older players in the squad like McGoldrick, Basham and Sharp and think they are the immediate priority to look to move on - all been terrific servants, all made great contributions to our success. But we know their best days are behind them.

However, I don't think they are the immediate problem. They could still make useful contributions in a much better squad than we currently have. I think we are now simply paying the price for pretty poor recruitment in the previous two campaigns. Berge, McBurnie and Brewster all cost a combined £67m, and now we would struggle to get £10m combined for all three of them. Mousset made a decent contribution in his first season, but the fact he never does 90 minutes makes him unreliable.

It's now clear Jokanovic was never going to work well as our manager under these conditions. Right man, wrong situation. With Heckingbottom, someone who will galvanise and motivate, the owners are now simply hoping for a minor miracle that he can get the best from a squad where:
  1. its core is past its best - Basham, Sharp, McGoldrick, Stevens
  2. the expensive signings have lost us money and failed to deliver on the pitch - Berge, Brewster, McBurnie
  3. the rest of the squad around them simply average - Robinson, Norwood, Burke, Freeman,
We are in a situation where we haven't got much to sell (other than N'Diaye), and we can't really afford to buy. The situation here won't begin to be sorted until we can clear some of these players out, but it won't happen in one or two transfer windows. Even then, we just have to hope we recruit better. Not every signing will come off, but most of them have to to have a chance of success. I just hope we have a decent strategy for when the opportunity to do it comes.
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Very succinctly put.

Without a sugar Daddy who can just go "ah fuck it", write off a small fortune and roll the dice once more we will be forced to ride this one out.

The best they can do as a Board is if they are not going to spend, at least try to avoid cashing in on the assets which could bring future success.

Brewster perhaps isn't the best example because he's been disappointing to date, but in Brewster, N'Diaye, Jebbison and perhaps even Osula and Lankshear further down the line, there is potentially some salvation, but that could be 2 seasons away that those fruits blossom to give you a forward line to challenge.

I'd rather we don't spend fortunes on Agent fees basically swapping around like for like players just to change the faces.

But for now we are stuck because of Wilder's poor recruitment post promotion.

We basically need Gibbs-White back to do a massive papering over the cracks exercise in the meantime.
 
Duffy21Blade said:
No I agree with you mate. The expensive gambles have simply not delivered thus far.

The only defence I could give them all, is that McBurnie and Brewster have largely been rotated, and Berge hasn't managed a long run of games due to injuries. But that aside, when their time has come, they haven't delivered enough. I hope they can still do it, because that would mean we are doing well, but I just can't see it happening.

Bogle is OK - definitely an attacking wing back and not a defensive full back. Osborn is a good squad player, gives great energy and can come in and do a job when required, but on the whole, the squad is lacking real star quality. Not to mention our best player (Gibbs-White) is only on loan, and we wouldn't be in a realistic position to buy him.
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Berge played 27 straight games after he signed.

Why do people keep saying he’s never had a run of games?
 
adamawdhali said:
This will probably sounds like I’m overreacting but in my opinion we should just start the rebuild now. Sell berge for as much as you can, sell some of the others and start some of the younger players or at least give them a clearer pathway.
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First bit of sense for a change ,relegation isn't going to happen neither is promotion the focus has to be to clear the decks of approx 9 players (you don't need me to list them but you are free to do it )
Investment in the cat 1 academy because the one thing we seem to be good at is bringing through young talent , boothroyds appointment must be used to push this on
Will we see premier league football in my lifetime I am 65 this year and not holding my breath
 



adamawdhali said:
This will probably sounds like I’m overreacting but in my opinion we should just start the rebuild now. Sell berge for as much as you can, sell some of the others and start some of the younger players or at least give them a clearer pathway.
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Who's going to buy Berge!?
Hes crap, hes got no fight, hes soft as shit, hasnt played for ages.
 
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