Reasons to be cheerful....

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The PL genuinely is boring unless you're one of the elite clubs. You're either trying to keep the score down against one of them or hoping to grind out a result against one of the others and stay away from the bottom 3.

Burnley are the club that Championship clubs realistically aspire to be and are now 7th, yet every time I've watched them they've bored me shitless. It's like watching Preston. Says it all when mediocre clubs rest players in later rounds of the FA Cup when they've got a genuine chance to give their fans a trip to Wembley because they're focusing on the immense riches that come with finishing 14th.
 



Bladepicker said:
...now our race is run. And it is run because, despite the mathematical possibilities out there, we aren't winning the last two games before we even get to looking at what others do. Yes there are legitimate concerns about the boardroom struggles and our potential lack of recruitment this summer, however not making the top six is not all bad - and here's why (with WHF style happy clapper bullets):

  • It's the highest we've finished for 8 years
  • Despite our results tailing off and away performances being hit and miss - we have still played some wonderful football in the second half of the season and played some good teams off the park.
  • It's the play offs. We'd have only fucked up in them anyway, especially as 6th will likely lose to Fulham.
  • The Prem isn't all that. Lots of London clubs and shitty little clubs with money - crap away days and spending 70 per cent of the matches in a defensive 8 1 1 formation.
  • I'm like Colin. I like the Championship me. Lots of Tuesday night games that you don't get in the Prem - less predictability and some proper football clubs at this level. It's a good league to be in.
  • Next season, despite the boardroom wrangles, with Coutts back and IF we keep Fleck we will still dominate possession and be a decent side at worst.

So yeah. Chin up and all that.
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Bladepicker said:
...now our race is run. And it is run because, despite the mathematical possibilities out there, we aren't winning the last two games before we even get to looking at what others do. Yes there are legitimate concerns about the boardroom struggles and our potential lack of recruitment this summer, however not making the top six is not all bad - and here's why (with WHF style happy clapper bullets):

  • It's the highest we've finished for 8 years
  • Despite our results tailing off and away performances being hit and miss - we have still played some wonderful football in the second half of the season and played some good teams off the park.
  • It's the play offs. We'd have only fucked up in them anyway, especially as 6th will likely lose to Fulham.
  • The Prem isn't all that. Lots of London clubs and shitty little clubs with money - crap away days and spending 70 per cent of the matches in a defensive 8 1 1 formation.
  • I'm like Colin. I like the Championship me. Lots of Tuesday night games that you don't get in the Prem - less predictability and some proper football clubs at this level. It's a good league to be in.
  • Next season, despite the boardroom wrangles, with Coutts back and IF we keep Fleck we will still dominate possession and be a decent side at worst.

So yeah. Chin up and all that.
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And you haven't even mentioned how much away games would cost.
 
grafikhaus said:
But you wouldn't 'finish 17th in the PL from now until eternity'. Teams like United (and many others) spend around four years up there until the inevitable relegation. Then, like waking up after a particularly drunken party, you wonder what all the fuss was about.



The key words being those in bold. How can most clubs compete against Man. City? Man. United? Liverpool? Chelsea? Spurs keep trying, but are routinely put back in their box. Everton have given Sam 'Brown Paper Envelopes' Allardyce £239m and they're still shite - and the only club they're trying to compete against is Liverpool. The reality is that most clubs in the PL don't compete. They're just happy to get to 40 points so that they can repeat the tedium of the previous season.

After our first season back in the Championship, I'd hardly say we're 'pissing about'. IMHO the Championship is probably the best division in Britain - a division where any team can beat any other and where bizarre results are thrown up every week - Sunderland 1 Burton 2, Bristol City 5 Hull 5. And what did the (admittedly-reduced) PL offer yesterday? WBA 2 v 2 Liverpool and Watford 0 v 0 Palace. Clubs whose season is done, are treading water and a good cure for insomnia.



And I'd be happy if I never had to watch Bournemouth, Brighton, Watford, Palace, Huddersfield, Swansea, West Brom etc. - teams I don't even bother watching on telly, let alone pay £30+ to see 'live'. And I bet Sunderland would love to be playing Preston or Ipswich next season.

I get your points, Pete, but there's a difference between 'ambition' and 'realism'. One of the key drivers in marketing is 'keeping up with the Joneses'. That's why people buy cars they don't need or can't afford. That's why the divorce rate rockets post-Christmas as people realise that all those images of tables groaning with hundreds of pounds of food and happy, non-fractious families are exactly that - an image, an illusion. And an illusion is exactly what the PL is, sold by the clever marketing people at Sky.

So let Fulham join Huddesfield and Leicester next season. Plastic fans with their plastic clackers in a plastic division.



...and piss around for too long in the PL and... (you get my drift?)
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Excellent responses mate.
Until or unless we can make a success of the PL doing in 'Chris's Way' there's not much about the place I find I can relate to. Footy's not like it was in my day....which is why I probably won't see it done 'Chris's Way' in what lifetime I have left.
 
ShockingBadBuy said:
You’re bored already ? Playing the same teams “over and over again” ?? We’ve only been back a year !
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I think it was the period between 1994 and 2011 that did it.

That was when we truly cemented our position as a bog standard second tier club.
 
...1.2.3...

Wilder,Knilly, Clarky
Duffy, Jack and Flecky

Mind the gap and bouncing day.
 
SwissBlade said:
Because they're in the Prem? Just using an example of this year, because next year they could be playing European football in the Championship
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Yes. Southampton are in the FA Cup semi final because they're in the Premier League. The best teams play in the Premier League.

Don't know if you've noticed but Tottenham, Manchester United and Chelsea are all in the Premier League as well.

Man City won the League Cup this year, they're also in the Premier League.

Arsenal won the FA Cup last year, I'm pretty sure they're in the Premier League as well.

It's almost as if all the most successful clubs play in the top division. Funny that.
 



PeterNdlovu081 said:
Yes. Southampton are in the FA Cup semi final because they're in the Premier League. The best teams play in the Premier League.

Don't know if you've noticed but Tottenham, Manchester United and Chelsea are all in the Premier League as well.

Man City won the League Cup this year, they're also in the Premier League.

Arsenal won the FA Cup last year, I'm pretty sure they're in the Premier League as well.

It's almost as if all the most successful clubs play in the top division. Funny that.
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Thanks for that, hadn't realised that they were all Premier League sides :D

The point i made about Southampton was related to the European football point made, there are no rules against winning trophies from below the Premier League (except the premier league itself).
 
SwissBlade said:
Thanks for that, hadn't realised that they were all Premier League sides :D

The point i made about Southampton was related to the European football point made, there are no rules against winning trophies from below the Premier League (except the premier league itself).
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It's been 38 years since a team from outside the top flight won the FA Cup and I can't see it happening again for at least another 38 years.

That's why I want Sheffield United to be in the Premier League. It automatically gives you a better chance of being successful.
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
It's been 38 years since a team from outside the top flight won the FA Cup and I can't see it happening again for at least another 38 years.

That's why I want Sheffield United to be in the Premier League. It automatically gives you a better chance of being successful.
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It means that the club would have more money, as i've said before, that's one of the two reasons why i'd want us to be in the Premier League. We'd never win it, Leicester is seen as a one off and so we'd be in a division fighting to stay up and lessen our chances of doing that with a cup run
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
At what point do you want us to fail then?

Were you happy with the defeat yesterday because it pushed us further away from the play offs?

It's completely nonsensical.
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I don't want us to fail, never want us to lose, but I am just saying I don't believe being in the Premier Oeague is the be all and end all. We were tolerated last time we were there. I prefer the 'proper' football in the Championship. Doesn't make me a bad person.
 
oldblade said:
In 1971-2 we were a newly promoted side. Albeit it was to what is now known as the premier league.

We started the season like a runaway train and were top of the league with a quarter of the season gone.

Unfortunately it didn't last. Most of us were grounded enough to realise it probably wouldn't last. Our form became patchy and we finished in 10th position. A top half finish for a newly promoted club. Not bad at all.

Nobody (or at least no one that I met) considered the season a disappointment. Yes , we started well and faded in a not too dissimilar fashion to this season. The league we were in was different , but the parallels are the same.

The big difference is that there wasn't any social media in those days and the season was just enjoyed by all and regarded as progress.

No I want it all and I want it now mentality. Happy days.
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We needed Badger on instagram
 
Northyorksblade said:
I don't want us to fail, never want us to lose, but I am just saying I don't believe being in the Premier Oeague is the be all and end all. We were tolerated last time we were there. I prefer the 'proper' football in the Championship. Doesn't make me a bad person.
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And Henry doesn't comment on the Championship
 
grafikhaus said:
But you wouldn't 'finish 17th in the PL from now until eternity'. Teams like United (and many others) spend around four years up there until the inevitable relegation. Then, like waking up after a particularly drunken party, you wonder what all the fuss was about.



The key words being those in bold. How can most clubs compete against Man. City? Man. United? Liverpool? Chelsea? Spurs keep trying, but are routinely put back in their box. Everton have given Sam 'Brown Paper Envelopes' Allardyce £239m and they're still shite - and the only club they're trying to compete against is Liverpool. The reality is that most clubs in the PL don't compete. They're just happy to get to 40 points so that they can repeat the tedium of the previous season.

After our first season back in the Championship, I'd hardly say we're 'pissing about'. IMHO the Championship is probably the best division in Britain - a division where any team can beat any other and where bizarre results are thrown up every week - Sunderland 1 Burton 2, Bristol City 5 Hull 5. And what did the (admittedly-reduced) PL offer yesterday? WBA 2 v 2 Liverpool and Watford 0 v 0 Palace. Clubs whose season is done, are treading water and a good cure for insomnia.



And I'd be happy if I never had to watch Bournemouth, Brighton, Watford, Palace, Huddersfield, Swansea, West Brom etc. - teams I don't even bother watching on telly, let alone pay £30+ to see 'live'. And I bet Sunderland would love to be playing Preston or Ipswich next season.

I get your points, Pete, but there's a difference between 'ambition' and 'realism'. One of the key drivers in marketing is 'keeping up with the Joneses'. That's why people buy cars they don't need or can't afford. That's why the divorce rate rockets post-Christmas as people realise that all those images of tables groaning with hundreds of pounds of food and happy, non-fractious families are exactly that - an image, an illusion. And an illusion is exactly what the PL is, sold by the clever marketing people at Sky.

So let Fulham join Huddesfield and Leicester next season. Plastic fans with their plastic clackers in a plastic division.



...and piss around for too long in the PL and... (you get my drift?)
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Top post.

Man C v Swansea was shite
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
At what point do you want us to fail then?

Were you happy with the defeat yesterday because it pushed us further away from the play offs?

It's completely nonsensical.
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Yesterdays defeat was disappointing, the season hasn't.

What it was though was much better than just playing for £'s which 17th in the Prem would equate to.
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
Yesterdays defeat was disappointing, the season hasn't.

What it was though was much better than just playing for £'s which 17th in the Prem would equate to.
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Every team in the EFL is trying to get to the Premier League.

So everybody is in the same boat.

It's better to be on the inside pissing out than on the outside getting pissed on.
 
I've enjoyed this season and made some first time trips to new grounds, Deepdale, St Andrews, Stadium of Light. We've travelled in numbers to every away game. It's been good despite some poor performances. And in the premiership I know I won't be able to get a ticket for the big games at Anfield, OT, Emirates etc. That said you always have to aim for the top.

Spending years in the Championship like Leeds or Ipswich would get very deflating. Next season we have to go for it. Playing the big teams at the Lane. That's what it's all about. Remember beating Spurs 6.0 and Man City 4.2 and beating Liverpool and Man United at the Lane in the Bassett era. The younger Blades want to see days like those. The thing I like about Wilder is his ambition. He wants to bring success and great days to the club. Saying you're happy to remain a mid table Championship club or an also ran is an attitude that ends in relegation.
 
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