Ravel Morrison

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Bert said:
Why did Wilder sign him, what purpose did he have in mind? Was it to play for Sheffield United or be a really nice young man who can't get in the team?
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By that token do you consider Ben Osborn, Phil Jagieka, Michael Verrips, and Luke Freeman failures too?
The players in front of him have exceeded expectations and been outstanding. Meaning Ravel can't get a look in. Maybe Bert should think about that.
 

Bert said:
Why did Wilder sign him, what purpose did he have in mind? Was it to play for Sheffield United or be a really nice young man who can't get in the team?
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Same reason Wilder would sign any player to: to benefit the team.

For a player who comes straight into the first team and improves the 11, the benefit is obvious.

For a player obviously bought as a backup, it's harder to tell from the outside.

If Ravel has pushed the players ahead of him in training, if he's been ready to cover when asked, then he's done his job. It may not be the signing of the season, but to deem it a failure without seeing what goes on in training or in the dressing room seems premature to me.
 
DerbyStar said:
By that token do you consider Ben Osborn, Phil Jagieka, Michael Verrips, and Luke Freeman failures too?
The players in front of him have exceeded expectations and been outstanding. Meaning Ravel can't get a look in. Maybe Bert should think about that.
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He can't get a look in because they are better players than him, his contribution has been zero, they've outclassed him, he's not good enough. He will be out of the door at the end of the season.
Next stop Chesterfield.
 
Bert said:
He can't get a look in because they are better players than him, his contribution has been zero, they've outclassed him, he's not good enough. He will be out of the door at the end of the season.
Next stop Chesterfield.
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Based on what? There's more to football than the first 11. Ask any manager, the most important part of a well balanced squad are the ones who aren't playing. They're the ones pushing the first team every inch, providing a platform for them to play.
 
Kanye said:
Same reason Wilder would sign any player to: to benefit the team.

For a player who comes straight into the first team and improves the 11, the benefit is obvious.

For a player obviously bought as a backup, it's harder to tell from the outside.

If Ravel has pushed the players ahead of him in training, if he's been ready to cover when asked, then he's done his job. It may not be the signing of the season, but to deem it a failure without seeing what goes on in training or in the dressing room seems premature to me.
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He's not even a backup, he can't get on the bench. He only gets picked when we play a pub team in the cup.
 
William said:
I think you’re overthinking things a bit here. He’s obviously had a troubled past but I don’t think that’s the issue. We’ve heard or seen nothing that would indicate he’s off the rails, but the fact is hes looked ordinary every time we’ve seen him, most recently playing against Flyde. 5 years not playing at the top standard won’t have done anything to help that. I think that’s where his current problem lies.

He’d be better off going somewhere like Fleetwood where he can pull up a few trees around some experienced committed heads to get his confidence back. Maybe then he might make something out of the latter years of his career.
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Got to disagree.....you may have heard nothing that suggests RM has let down Wilder, but have you not heard that Ravel has been consistently fined for lateness? And that's what has been leaked, so there's possibly other disappointing episodes that we'll never discover. The tittle tattle is less important, but as much as I feel your point about the time he's had out of top level football has substance, it's obvious he still has ability, but that, as is obvious, has never been enough. As for the Fleetwood suggestion, it's a bit industrial down there so I doubt it would be easier for the fella. Something's wrong, no idea what, but he needs to take advantage of everything we have to offer.....it can't be everyone else's fault, so take responsibility and show you can integrate your undoubted talent inside a team ethos.
 
Why’s Ravel such a trigger? Who fucking cares? Poor old Man Bun gets a weekly slating for stealing a living and barely anyone can be bothered to defend him but suggest Morrison might not have much of a future at United and you may as well have mentioned Brexit. 😂😂😂😂
 
itsinyerblood said:
Got to disagree.....you may have heard nothing that suggests RM has let down Wilder, but have you not heard that Ravel has been consistently fined for lateness? And that's what has been leaked, so there's possibly other disappointing episodes that we'll never discover. The tittle tattle is less important, but as much as I feel your point about the time he's had out of top level football has substance, it's obvious he still has ability, but that, as is obvious, has never been enough. As for the Fleetwood suggestion, it's a bit industrial down there so I doubt it would be easier for the fella. Something's wrong, no idea what, but he needs to take advantage of everything we have to offer.....it can't be everyone else's fault, so take responsibility and show you can integrate your undoubted talent inside a team ethos.
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Ey up Minnie, when you’ve done Ena wants another milk stout.
 
Bert said:
He's not even a backup, he can't get on the bench. He only gets picked when we play a pub team in the cup.
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If the only players deemed to be useful were the ones who made it into the 18, then there would be no point having a 25 squad.

We're lucky that form has been consistent and injuries have been minimal, for that reason, the fringe players haven't been called upon.
 
I would doubt very much that Bramall lane is a charity for broken down players or Mr Wilder is the good fairy who. loves to pay out wages to broken down players. What he has done in the past is taken on players who other clubs have considered
 
BushBlade said:
Why’s Ravel such a trigger? Who fucking cares? Poor old Man Bun gets a weekly slating for stealing a living and barely anyone can be bothered to defend him but suggest Morrison might not have much of a future at United and you may as well have mentioned Brexit. 😂😂😂😂
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What is this Brexit you talk of? Will never happen 😁
 

CW is not exempt from mistakes. Holmes , Henegan etc. Morrison has had 8 months now to make an impression. He hasn’t clearly done enough. Shame but that’s life. Good luck to him and I wish him all the best. We just need more than he has. He can’t get in the 18 and Robinson could. He’s moving on as well. I think we might see a few more quick “outs” in the future. Stakes and cash too high now. Right Brexit next !
 
Greenblades said:
CW is not exempt from mistakes. Holmes , Henegan etc. Morrison has had 8 months now to make an impression.
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Though before the start of the season you would have included Lundstram in the list.
 
I've always been under the impression that, despite all his natural talent, his heart just isn't in it and he doesn't want to be a footballer at all.

LondonBlade89 said:
I mean, he hasn't been in any trouble since he's been at the club has he? All things I've read suggest he's gone down really well with the squad, he just doesn't have the tactical understanding to work in our system, nor is there really a role in our system which suits him.
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The McGoldrick No10 role would suit him fairly well though. Worth a run out once we're past 40 points and we need to rest Didzy for the big FA Cup ties (assuming Ravel is still with us by then).
 
Bert said:
Bert has simply pointed out that Wilder's gamble has failed and no doubt Wilder would agree.

Any fool can see that.

You need to look up the meaning of sensationalist.
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Was it eve a gamble though? Gambling inherently means you are risking making a loss. But this was a no lose situation.

So yes I can see why another poster might describe the earlier post as sensationalist.
 
guancheblade said:
I've always been under the impression that, despite all his natural talent, his heart just isn't in it and he doesn't want to be a footballer at all.



The McGoldrick No10 role would suit him fairly well though. Worth a run out once we're past 40 points and we need to rest Didzy for the big FA Cup ties (assuming Ravel is still with us by then).
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Doubt we'll be resting players so readily. Every placing is worth 2m!
 
guancheblade said:
Was it eve a gamble though? Gambling inherently means you are risking making a loss. But this was a no lose situation.

So yes I can see why another poster might describe the earlier post as sensationalist.
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It didn't cost nothing, though, did it? And it isn't just about the money, it's about finding players that make the grade - every time we invest time and effort into a player that doesn't make the grade, we miss out on putting that time and effort into someone else who could've made it. That's a gamble.
To a degree every player is a gamble, but because of our financial contraints, Wilder has to gamble with longer odds than most. Fortunately he's quite good at it.
 
RV was a low cost....high gain gamble that was unlikely to pay off.

Very similar to buying a lottery ticket at the newsagent.

With Wilders record it was arguably worth a punt. There was never any reliance or pressure on RV to rescue our season.
 
After his cryptic tweet last night just checked who he's following on twitter. He's unfollowed United and started following Middlesbrough. Maybe nothing but wouldn't be surprised if he leaves for them
 
Sam64 said:
After his cryptic tweet last night just checked who he's following on twitter. He's unfollowed United and started following Middlesbrough. Maybe nothing but wouldn't be surprised if he leaves for them
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That sums up the mind of da yoof, if the best way to chuck your toys out of the pram is to 'unfollow' someone.

Our bandwagon is moving on and had the option to work his bollocks off and try to climb aboard, or......
 

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