Ravel Morrison

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probably putting 2 and 2 together.

Shame about Morrison really. A great player technically. We just don't play that type of system at present with the flat 3 we've been using.
 

Eze for £12m!? We wish! I can see Ravel going this Jan though, clearly Wilder doesn't think he's good enough to break in to the squad, or he has other issues I don't know. If he goes I wish him all the best though.
 
Just listening to the Undr the Cosh Lee Clark episode. Speaks well of Ravel and his talent and says he's a lovely lad, but verifies that he has sustained personal issues (getting in trouble with police etc..), doesn't listen to managers and is a terrible trainer. Says all you need to know as to why he's nowhere near the first team. I guess a leopard never changes it's spots.
 
niktheblade said:
Just listening to the Undr the Cosh Lee Clark episode. Speaks well of Ravel and his talent and says he's a lovely lad, but verifies that he has sustained personal issues (getting in trouble with police etc..), doesn't listen to managers and is a terrible trainer. Says all you need to know as to why he's nowhere near the first team. I guess a leopard never changes it's spots.
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I mean, he hasn't been in any trouble since he's been at the club has he? All things I've read suggest he's gone down really well with the squad, he just doesn't have the tactical understanding to work in our system, nor is there really a role in our system which suits him. Sometimes you get an incredibly talented player for whom the game "just works". No deep thinking about it, everything just comes naturally. I think Morrison is one of those players - unfortunately for Morrison it seems as though his talent alone will only be able to take him so far. Unfair to use Lee Clark's historic knowledge of him as the reasons why he's not near the first time.
 
LondonBlade89 said:
I mean, he hasn't been in any trouble since he's been at the club has he? All things I've read suggest he's gone down really well with the squad, he just doesn't have the tactical understanding to work in our system, nor is there really a role in our system which suits him. Sometimes you get an incredibly talented player for whom the game "just works". No deep thinking about it, everything just comes naturally. I think Morrison is one of those players - unfortunately for Morrison it seems as though his talent alone will only be able to take him so far. Unfair to use Lee Clark's historic knowledge of him as the reasons why he's not near the first time.
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He's not suited to team games then.
 
LondonBlade89 said:
Plenty of people have been talented enough to make it work.
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Whatever anyone puts it down to his signing has been a failure, he's nowhere near the first team. A failed gamble.
We ought to at least send him out on loan to recoup a bit of his wages.
 
Any idea what contract he's on?

It's a bit like most of the summer signings. None have blown the way we play apart and shown significant improvement. McB possibly is a grower in his role and Mousse seems to be either carrying an injury or limited to 60 minutes. We should have signed Freeman L three or four seasons ago when he would have made an impact. Besic isn't quite a proper 'signing' (yet) and Osbourn isn't much cop it seems. Robinson unsurprisingly is not any competition even for Didsy. Which is why we seem to be still playing with last season's setup.

Bit unimpressed we haven't thrown the dice this JTW, at least for cover for the wingbacks or back three, especially with Stears now gone. Don't really see Rodwell as that answer.

pommpey
 
Grappler said:
The Sun (yeah I know, I know), saying today that SUFC are ready to "rip up his contract" and go all out to get Eze from QPR.

Not sure if this is just lazy journalism or whether someone thinks us being interested in Eze means the end for Morrison, or whether someone is genuinely in-the-know?

Anyway, seeing as he doesn't even make the bench, I can see there being some grain of truth in here somewhere.
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It sounds very dramatic but essentially means that we pay his contract up, so I'm not sure how one is linked to the other?
Sounds like they're trying to make an old story more recent by aimlessly adding random unlinked stories.
 
Bert said:
Whatever anyone puts it down to his signing has been a failure, he's nowhere near the first team. A failed gamble.
We ought to at least send him out on loan to recoup a bit of his wages.
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"failure", "failed gamble", "recoup a bit of his wages" all sound a bit sensationalist to me. Ok, his signing has not turned out to be a gem. But the team are playing well and there are no obvious problems behind the scenes, so he's hardly been a negative force in the dressing room.

The thing is, if people expect Wilder, or any other manager for that matter, to pull out a golden nugget every time the pan is dipped in the river, then they are in for a big surprise. The problem occurs when you stop dipping that pan, because then you've got no chance of finding gold.

I give you David McGoldrick - what a name for my analogy 😂
 
Snake said:
"failure", "failed gamble", "recoup a bit of his wages" all sound a bit sensationalist to me. Ok, his signing has not turned out to be a gem. But the team are playing well and there are no obvious problems behind the scenes, so he's hardly been a negative force in the dressing room.

The thing is, if people expect Wilder, or any other manager for that matter, to pull out a golden nugget every time the pan is dipped in the river, then they are in for a big surprise. The problem occurs when you stop dipping that pan, because then you've got no chance of finding gold.

I give you David McGoldrick - what a name for my analogy 😂
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Bert has simply pointed out that Wilder's gamble has failed and no doubt Wilder would agree.

Any fool can see that.

You need to look up the meaning of sensationalist.
 

Bert said:
Bert has simply pointed out that Wilder's gamble has failed and no doubt Wilder would agree.

Any fool can see that.

You need to look up the meaning of sensationalist.
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Wilder has actually praised Morrison and said he's been good behind the scenes. Ok, I'm sure he'd have loved to see him tearing prem midfields a new un, but hey, in life little punts don't always work out that way.
 
I've no idea what lies at the root of Ravel's problems, because problems are clearly the very thing that seem to repeat over and over and......hence the promise that never fulfills as fully as we'd all hope for. We've never had the opportunity to see Ravel play a consistent run of games, he's one of those players that are described as spectacular, able to do the extraordinary, that can see angles and opportunities that mere mortals fail to take advantage of. Perhaps because it comes too easily, the talent that is, perhaps the effort seems a chore too far, but as most of us who've watched football for many decades will testify to, being able to graft can enhance and improve any player's game. One of the greatest players, the amazing Dutchman, Johan Cruyff, applied himself as well as having a dizzying array of skills and imagination, put together the combination of work-rate and talent gave rise to a player who was a success wherever he played.

You may ask what any of this has to do with Ravel, well the guy's no longer a young 'un, he either grasps the opportunity presented to him, or he wastes another chance, and soon there will no longer be offers, because who wants to gamble on someone who fails to grasp what's being offered? There's the potential for RM to turn into another Gazza, but without the riches that came Gazza's way. Potentially it's another footballing tragedy, not yours or mine I should add, but Ravel's. A guy bedevilled by demons and/or a collection of reasons to do anything but work hard, to make himself a top player, to put the hours in , in return for the type of wage that most of us look upon enviously. As I said, I can only speculate as to why Ravel seems to fuck up the chances that come his way. I was excited when it was announced he'd signed for us, the fact that we were on the cusp of playing in the Premier Division and a player capable of lighting up the way we play, what's not to get excited about? Sadly, it was fated not to happen.

The truth is it's Ravel's loss, not ours. As much as I love to watch a genuinely skilful player display those gifts that the likes of you or me can only dream of possessing, well that's all it'll ever be for us, but appreciation of greatness is as valuable as the player who can deliver such greatness, and in Ravel's case it's a career based on waste and the frustration of others who knew what there was to work with. I don't wish the man any harm, but I just wish, and I can't think of a kinder way to express my frustration, I just wish Ravel would finally embrace his talent and stop fucking about. Man up you twat (sorry for the descent into laddish neanderthal basics), you still have time to show how good you can be.......or is there a part of you that thinks you're owed something by the world at large? Do you have authority issues mate? I tell you what, although I don't know Chris Wilder, you're probably in extremely good hands with Wilder as your gaffa, so don't abuse this chance, you may not get the chance again to play at this level. Become the player you were meant to be, not a wastrel who abuses the goodwill of others.....word! 💔
 
itsinyerblood said:
I've no idea what lies at the root of Ravel's problems, because problems are clearly the very thing that seem to repeat over and over and......hence the promise that never fulfills as fully as we'd all hope for. We've never had the opportunity to see Ravel play a consistent run of games, he's one of those players that are described as spectacular, able to do the extraordinary, that can see angles and opportunities that mere mortals fail to take advantage of. Perhaps because it comes too easily, the talent that is, perhaps the effort seems a chore too far, but as most of us who've watched football for many decades will testify to, being able to graft can enhance and improve any player's game. One of the greatest players, the amazing Dutchman, Johan Cruyff, applied himself as well as having a dizzying array of skills and imagination, put together the combination of work-rate and talent gave rise to a player who was a success wherever he played.

You may ask what any of this has to do with Ravel, well the guy's no longer a young 'un, he either grasps the opportunity presented to him, or he wastes another chance, and soon there will no longer be offers, because who wants to gamble on someone who fails to grasp what's being offered? There's the potential for RM to turn into another Gazza, but without the riches that came Gazza's way. Potentially it's another footballing tragedy, not yours or mine I should add, but Ravel's. A guy bedevilled by demons and/or a collection of reasons to do anything but work hard, to make himself a top player, to put the hours in , in return for the type of wage that most of us look upon enviously. As I said, I can only speculate as to why Ravel seems to fuck up the chances that come his way. I was excited when it was announced he'd signed for us, the fact that we were on the cusp of playing in the Premier Division and a player capable of lighting up the way we play, what's not to get excited about? Sadly, it was fated not to happen.

The truth is it's Ravel's loss, not ours. As much as I love to watch a genuinely skilful player display those gifts that the likes of you or me can only dream of possessing, well that's all it'll ever be for us, but appreciation of greatness is as valuable as the player who can deliver such greatness, and in Ravel's case it's a career based on waste and the frustration of others who knew what there was to work with. I don't wish the man any harm, but I just wish, and I can't think of a kinder way to express my frustration, I just wish Ravel would finally embrace his talent and stop fucking about. Man up you twat (sorry for the descent into laddish neanderthal basics), you still have time to show how good you can be.......or is there a part of you that thinks you're owed something by the world at large? Do you have authority issues mate? I tell you what, although I don't know Chris Wilder, you're probably in extremely good hands with Wilder as your gaffa, so don't abuse this chance, you may not get the chance again to play at this level. Become the player you were meant to be, not a wastrel who abuses the goodwill of others.....word! 💔
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I think you’re overthinking things a bit here. He’s obviously had a troubled past but I don’t think that’s the issue. We’ve heard or seen nothing that would indicate he’s off the rails, but the fact is hes looked ordinary every time we’ve seen him, most recently playing against Flyde. 5 years not playing at the top standard won’t have done anything to help that. I think that’s where his current problem lies.

He’d be better off going somewhere like Fleetwood where he can pull up a few trees around some experienced committed heads to get his confidence back. Maybe then he might make something out of the latter years of his career.
 
Bert said:
Whatever anyone puts it down to his signing has been a failure, he's nowhere near the first team. A failed gamble.
We ought to at least send him out on loan to recoup a bit of his wages.
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We were always going to go with a squad of 25. Given that, had we not signed Morrison, we’d have probably had another low-cost, low-risk signing as a backup midfielder to complete the squad. They almost certainly wouldn’t have played either.
 
Wilder likes what he's brought to training & the squad, seems to get on well with everyone & I've enjoyed the times he's been on the pitch.

For me the lack of game time isn't anything other than the formation & tactics we use, flat 3 who are always busy & pressing.

Ravel "could" play in a flat 3 but he isn't a busy pressing player and until we can carry someone like him gametime will be short.
 
pommpey said:
Any idea what contract he's on?

It's a bit like most of the summer signings. None have blown the way we play apart and shown significant improvement. McB possibly is a grower in his role and Mousse seems to be either carrying an injury or limited to 60 minutes. We should have signed Freeman L three or four seasons ago when he would have made an impact. Besic isn't quite a proper 'signing' (yet) and Osbourn isn't much cop it seems. Robinson unsurprisingly is not any competition even for Didsy. Which is why we seem to be still playing with last season's setup.

Bit unimpressed we haven't thrown the dice this JTW, at least for cover for the wingbacks or back three, especially with Stears now gone. Don't really see Rodwell as that answer.

pommpey
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See for me:
  • Moose: absolute bargain. Clearly fitness questions, but for 10 million he's been one of the signings of the season.
  • McB: has show of late that he's definitely got a place in the top division. 20m is a lot to live up to, but I think he will do.
  • Freeman and Osborn: have simply not had the opportunity, but have been more than capable when they've come in/on.
  • Robinson: definitely disappointing and just not suitable for our set-up

We've just signed Robinson as back-up for Stevens. We're not going to spend millions on back-up, so he'll be fine. Stears has gone, but Rodwell covers him.

Also, there are a couple of days left before the end of the window. Be unimpressed at the end of it perhaps, not before its done. And forgive me for saying.... you're usually unimpressed.
 
Kanye said:
No doubt Wilder would agree? Are you sure? He was complementary about Ravel when last questioned about him.
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That's right, if asked he'd also be complimentary about the tea lady, and she's been as useful in the first team as Morrison.
 
Bert said:
Bert has simply pointed out that Wilder's gamble has failed and no doubt Wilder would agree.

Any fool can see that.

You need to look up the meaning of sensationalist.
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There's a lot of doubt about that, considering Wilder has been asked that very question multiple times and had nothing but praise for Morrison each time. If you're going to make things up in your head, don't pass them as fact by adding 'no doubt'.
 
DerbyStar said:
There's a lot of doubt about that, considering Wilder has been asked that very question multiple times and had nothing but praise for Morrison each time. If you're going to make things up in your head, don't pass them as fact by adding 'no doubt'.
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Absolutely. It would seem Morrison has played his role in the squad, to push those who have the shirt.Bearing in mind he came into a squad who was expected to struggle and that has not been the case. Those who feel that he has under-achieved should consider the view that others have exceeded expectations?
 

DerbyStar said:
There's a lot of doubt about that, considering Wilder has been asked that very question multiple times and had nothing but praise for Morrison each time. If you're going to make things up in your head, don't pass them as fact by adding 'no doubt'.
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Why did Wilder sign him, what purpose did he have in mind? Was it to play for Sheffield United or be a really nice young man who can't get in the team?
 
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