"Quinn & Montgomery - Worst Midfield Ever" + OT

[matth]

It's difficult to quantify a forward's worth merely on goals scored, as this doesn't take into account assists, chances made, hold up play or anything else. Many prolific strikers prefer to play with someone else who may not score the goals themselves, but are instrumental in creating the chances.

That said, I do think that Webber is suffering at the moment, although I think that this is due at least in part to being played as a winger when he's anything but.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

i thought you were not coming back to this thread?

Shananigans!

 

[DazBlade88]

Montgomery and Quinn is certainly not the best partnership we've ever had, but it's most definitely not the worst. Even in my time.

What really bugs me about people slagging Montgomery, is they say he offers nothing going forward. He's not in the team to offer an attacking threat, he's in the team to stop the opposition's attacks, which in my opinion there's probably only one player in this league that's better at it than him. Lee Carsley.

Quinn, frustrates me. He doesn't seem to do alot other than run around and argue with people but he does pop up with the occassional goal so I can see where people say he's useful. Personally, I'd play Montgomery and O'Toole on Saturday.

Montgomery is fine in the middle of the park, doing the ugly job. I just think he needs a better partner for the creative side of the game.

 

[Hilltop Blade 4 life]

Montgomery and Quinn is certainly not the best partnership we've ever had, but it's most definitely not the worst. Even in my time.

What really bugs me about people slagging Montgomery, is they say he offers nothing going forward. He's not in the team to offer an attacking threat, he's in the team to stop the opposition's attacks, which in my opinion there's probably only one player in this league that's better at it than him. Lee Carsley.

Quinn, frustrates me. He doesn't seem to do alot other than run around and argue with people but he does pop up with the occassional goal so I can see where people say he's useful. Personally, I'd play Montgomery and O'Toole on Saturday.

Montgomery is fine in the middle of the park, doing the ugly job. I just think he needs a better partner for the creative side of the game.

I agree 100% with everything you've just said mate

 

[Come from away]

Seriously, you can't say that Webber had a better game than Ward. Especially if you didn't see it.

I'm not a Webber-basher, but Ward made a massive difference when he came on - Super Danny was having an off-day.

Actually I never said that, just that Cots scored and Ward didn't, Webber has picked up a couple of goals. In the Quinn/Monty debate one issue is that they rush their passes and so, despite having possession, don't create anything. Danny has great ball control (receiving the ball) but suffers a similar fault in that he rushes his shots (same fault). Taking time might cost some oportunities but overall would lead to more success for all three.

 

[matth]

Actually, the game on Tuesday suggested the opposite. Webber's ball control wasn't great, and he certainly wasn't rushing his shots - in fact, he was once again guilty of running, running and running with the ball until he ran out of space, ideas and steam, and then giving away possession.

Sometimes, Webber needs to be more 'up and at 'em' in order to be successful. And please, Danny - if you are playing on the wing, try to get wide and lob in some crosses. Trying to dribble through the centre of the park into the goal mouth very rarely works for you.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

Montgomery and Quinn are not needed anymore

O'Toole Is a better tackler than montgomery and he also offers something going forwards

then next to him you could have hendrie, halford etc..

so really there is no need for either of them to be in the team

 

[matth]

I'm interested to find out what you're basing your assessment of O'Toole on. Presumably you've seen him play just as often as you've seen Monty?

 

[Deleted member 1466]

Ive seen him play twice, and he looked good both times, but knowing blackwell, he wont get a start until about a week before hes due back at watford!

 

[TonyAgana]

Ive seen him play twice, and he looked good both times, but knowing blackwell, he wont get a start until about a week before hes due back at watford!

I've seen Howard play twice and he was excellent.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

I've seen Howard play twice and he was excellent.

For us? i dont think so, he has had 1 decent game down at charlton

he has never been excelent for us, why lie?

 

[TonyAgana]

For us? i dont think so, he has had 1 decent game down at charlton

he has never been excelent for us, why lie?

That's it. Not for us, but he was excellent against Liverpool. The point I was trying to make was that 2 good performances doesn't make a player "great" in the same way that 2 bad performances doesn't make a player shite.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

The players we are talking about have been shit for a lot longer than 2 games though

 

[TonyAgana]

The players we are talking about have been shit for a lot longer than 2 games though

Sort of. Most recently Monty has had more good games than bad. Indeed the game which sparked this thread he wasn't bad at all until one or two misplaced passes were met with booing and jeering. As for Quinn, he has been weak for a number of games now and I do agree O'Toole is probably the answer. I was just saying that you've seen O'Toole no more than anyone else here (and it's not 2 games, it's about half an hour of football, isn't it?) so to say "O'Toole Is a better tackler than montgomery and he also offers something going forwards" is based on a liberal splash of presumption. Montgomery is proven, in "tackling" at least, against the best in the country.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

I think the disapointing thing is blackwell keeps coming out and saying he is pleased with how quinn is playing

and as for webber as i said somewhere else, only played 186 games in a 10 year career, and only scored 20 goals for us in the 4 or 5 years he has been with us

now to average only around 20 games a season is bad enough, but it also shows when he does play, he doesnt even score that often

 

[TonyAgana]

It might be interesting though to work out how many of those games were back to back and with him playing in position.

And again, like I think Matth said in another thread, your stats don't include assists, let alone the plethora of other jobs a striker has to fulfil in his role.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

but to average 20 games a season is just not good enough for a player that is payed so much money, it can only be justified if he did magical things when he does play.

 

[matth]

20 goals a season would be an excellent return from a striker.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

20 goals a season would be an excellent return from a striker.

yes i know, we had one, we sold him, now we dont have one

 

[TonyAgana]

yes i know, we had one, we sold him, now we dont have one

Yet we're playing better football and haven't dropped a single position.

 

[matth]

Sorry, I do apologise - I read 'games' as 'goals'.

 

[DazBlade88]

I've seen O'Toole about 15 times, and he's an attacking midfielder. Definitely wouldn't be good in the defensive role.

 

[jose_d_blade]

i dont think webber offers much in regard to assists or crossing he puts defenders under presure with his pace but if outher teams saw him play as much as we do i think they wouldnt worry too much about that.

i wont be sad if he goes at end of season wards been much more impresive.

if we need a player to put defenders under presure and score sitters we have sharp

 

[The One]

Webber's set up a number of goals this season.

A few with very good crosses.

 

[jose_d_blade]

really?
i cant remember any was they at away games as i dont get to many of them?
i remember him missing hiting the post & keeper resulting in a goal but not many actual assists

 

[The One]

really?
i cant remember any was they at away games as i dont get to many of them?
i remember him missing hiting the post & keeper resulting in a goal but not many actual assists

Yeah quite a few away from home.

Done a couple at home too though.

 

[Tinoblade]

One i really remember at home was webber for henderson

Couldnt have been more perfect

 

[yuley82]

i think monty has improved over last few games but quinn is shocking at the moment, he doesn't seem to have improved at all since he broke into the squad under warnock. As for people's argument about webber, me personally i think he's crap and hope he leaves at end of season, he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo and why when he gets the ball does he always turn back into 3 or 4 players..

 

[TonyAgana]

i think monty has improved over last few games but quinn is shocking at the moment, he doesn't seem to have improved at all since he broke into the squad under warnock. As for people's argument about webber, me personally i think he's crap and hope he leaves at end of season, he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo and why when he gets the ball does he always turn back into 3 or 4 players..

I presume you didn't see our promotion season.

Danny Webber is NOT crap. He hasn't been played in position for more than a handful of games this season.

 

[DazBlade88]

I presume you didn't see our promotion season.

Danny Webber is NOT crap. He hasn't been played in position for more than a handful of games this season.

Thankyou.

Danny Webber is a very, very good player when he's confident. Unfortunately, due to being left out and played out of position on too many occassion it's been sapped out of him, and that's why he's not performing for us. On his current performances he probably shouldn't be in the team, but he's definitely not a crap player.