Queens Park Rangers vs Sheffield United

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Queens Park Rangers QPR 1 - 2
Half Time: 0 - 1
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Half Time: 0 - 1
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Half Time: 0 - 1
Sheffield United SUFC
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EFL Championship Matchweek 35 - Saturday 1st March 2025 - 15:00 - Loftus Road
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Maybe it's just that current PL managers with all their coaching badges just manage clubs that are able to pay much, much more for high quality players.
Maybe not so much the coaching but the players you have playing for you?
Intelligent thoughtful reply !
 
What sort of well thought out and reasonable post is that? The Whine & Gripe regulars will be crying in their beer/fruit juice at such thoughts.
Don’t get me wrong, I can be critical myself and have been a few times this season, just can’t understand the extreme over reaction that many have.

I get it’s a forum, I get people have different opinions but christ it’s like some people have a massive agenda that they just refuse to accept anything positive about the club.

If I had absolutely zero pleasure in being a fan, I would have probably stopped any involvement or interest years ago.
 
You are not seeing Peck and Souza being better than Norwood and Fleck?

You are not seeing Cooper being batter then Wes

You are not seeing Campbell being better than McBurnie?
Tommy Cooper was better than Wes…
 
Tommy Cooper was better than Wes…
in his 1st 2 years he was good. espically the 1st year under hecky he was big reason why we played forest in playoffs. as he saved us 10pts with some vital saves.

but the premier league ruined him & his confidence he never recovered
 
in his 1st 2 years he was good. espically the 1st year under hecky he was big reason why we played forest in playoffs. as he saved us 10pts with some vital saves.

but the premier league ruined him & his confidence he never recovered
True.

Fair play to him for his current gig, bench warming at West Ham. Be getting a decent wage just for that
 
I was going to post in a "Results vs Performance" thread, but couldn't be arsed to find one. So I'll ramble on in here instead.

Today is another conflicting game. I'm chuffed to get the win, and pleased that we've not let the result on Monday affect us, but I'm again frustrated by the standard of play on the pitch.

I should make the point here that I do believe that results are more important than performances, however I also believe that the team at present is capable of playing to a far higher standard than we are currently seeing. And my frustrations arise from there as a result. As such, I'll likely go on for a while here.

The goals today were great. Terrific cross for the opener, and really good strength from BBD to win the header. I can safely say though, that if we'd conceded that goal, I'd be giving our defence pelters for losing out to a lone opponent in the box, so I can sympathise with QPR fans for that one.

Tyrese Campbell. What a bloody goal. He's shot out the traps quick in the Goal of the Month competition - does he really like March or something?

But the performance around those goals, was overall, fairly underwhelming. I've had a look at the match stats that Sky Sports have recorded. And they are quite startling. The standout ones are below:

Possession: QPR 56%-44% SUFC
Shots (On target): QPR 16(4)-8(2) SUFC

I recognise that there is far more to a match than just these 2 statistics, and there is often a degree of bias towards the home side in terms of possession, but even still, I wouldn't have expected us to give up so much of the ball, and allow so many shots.

With the 5 we had through midfield (Souza-Peck-Hamer-O'Hare-BBD), we really ought to have exerted a greater amount of control on the game. I find it really surprising that we were so accepting of QPR having the ball in there despite that assembly of players. It seems we often lose the midfield battle, even against teams with obviously weaker midfield personnel.

I've felt for a while we'd do better if O'Hare (or whomever fills that #10 role) were to drop deeper and play as a #8. You then have Vini as the defensive base, interrupting attacks and regaining possession, a box-to-box-type in Peck/T. Davies, and then a more progressive, forward-thinking midfielder, such as O'Hare/Hamer, who has less defensive responsibility, but is more easily able to combine with the other 2 to control possession in the middle 3rd of the pitch. This also ought to free up space for the wingers, as they look to cut inside.

We've played like this all season to some degree, and to varying degrees of success. We were especially good at it before Christmas, due to having Souttar in the side. Many teams were forced into playing long balls, which he would eat up all game, and then we could take control of the game. But having lost that ace up our sleeves, we've become much easier to exploit.

It's gotten much, much easier, for opposing teams to move the ball into their final 3rd, and more importantly, to make it stay in thee for extended periods. We very often struggle to properly clear the ball at the first attempt, and end up scrambling for the 2nd (or sometimes 3rd) ball, before smashing it away and gaining some respite. We're having to rely on Cooper a lot more than we were as a result, and I'm very relieved that he's as good as we thought he'd be. Cause if he wasn't, we would not be fighting for promotion right now.

I vividly remember a comment from Wilder in his first spell in charge, where he spoke about our style of play being around creating "high percentage chances", and how he'd rather have a handful of chances, each with a very high likelihood of scoring, than a larger number of shots, each with a lower probability of conversion. And when I remember that, it helps me rationalise our goals scored value on the league table, and how it is particularly modest, when compared to the amount of offensive talent in our squad.

In the tail end of Wilder's first reign, we became so obsessed with these high percentage chances, that if we couldn't find space for one, we wouldn't push forward. We'd come backwards and build again. It often feels like we're doing the same thing now.

That isn't a bad thing in isolation, and when we were keeping clean sheets like they were going out of fashion, scoring fewer goals was not as much of a concern. But when we are conceding more goals, and not seeing an increased number scored to compensate, it's worrying. We've kept just 3 clean sheets in 11 league games in 2025 (vs 14 in our first 24 this season). And scored 17 in those 11, vs 33 in 24 pre-New Year. So we are more than twice as likely to concede post-New Year vs before it (3 clean sheets in 11 = approx. 27%; 14 in 24 = approx. 58%), and not scoring significantly more goals to make up for it (17 scored in 11 games = approx. 1.5 goals scored per game; 33 in 24 = 1.375 per game).

There are a number of issues that could be delved into further around doing the above, but I've gone on enough. Suffice it to say, that I'll still celebrate every win, whether it be a scrappy 1-0, or an enthralling 4-goal drubbing. But, it's alarmingly obvious to me that this team is currently still less than the sum of its parts. And I'm anticipating every game in fervent hope, that the true standard this side can achieve finally comes out to play.
 
How is winning and getting another 3 points mediocre? How is points only 50% of the game? Until they bring in extra points based on performance that is completely irrelevant. Your reply says it all to be honest. You give no credit to the opposition we play against regardless of their position in the league. Remember we play against 11+ professional footballers every week, who go out to perform the best they can. Just like the majority of us do every working day of the week. You just seem to think we’re entitled to play how we want in any game, dominate and expect them to lay down and get their tummy tickled. QPR is one of the most difficult grounds to go to. They are a good team at home.
They make life difficult. We don’t have a team of world class players who can work their way around that all the time. I think I’ll just stick to celebrating a win because I think it’ll make me a better “supporter”. Also I think I’ll stick with and back the manager, staff and players with their decisions etc as they have far more experience,qualifications, skills etc than the rest of us. That’s my opinion and you are quite entitled to have yours.

Performances are not irrelevant. Why would top clubs focus on this, often at the expense of not winning then (short-term). It was the main reason we managed to do well last time Wilder took us up.

Good and consistent performances are what develop a good squad for long-term success. Having a defined style and philosophy is good for sustainable success. It’s about the long-term picture and development. What we are doing is the opposite. Short sighted approach of chasing the points and then resolving it when we get there. It’s going to end badly.

Opposition take credit of course but that doesn’t mean we didn’t make mistakes. QPR didn’t make us misplace 20/30 easy passes or launch it clear under pressure when the players could’ve been braver and played out. They pressured well but our players needed to keep better composure also. Its QPR at the end of the day and if we want to play against Arsenal, Liverpool etc next season i don’t see how this season we are conditioning and preparing very well.

I don’t think you’re showing foresight personally.
 
Performances are not irrelevant. Why would top clubs focus on this, often at the expense of not winning then (short-term). It was the main reason we managed to do well last time Wilder took us up.

Good and consistent performances are what develop a good squad for long-term success. Having a defined style and philosophy is good for sustainable success. It’s about the long-term picture and development. What we are doing is the opposite. Short sighted approach of chasing the points and then resolving it when we get there. It’s going to end badly.

Opposition take credit of course but that doesn’t mean we didn’t make mistakes. QPR didn’t make us misplace 20/30 easy passes or launch it clear under pressure when the players could’ve been braver and played out. They pressured well but our players needed to keep better composure also. Its QPR at the end of the day and if we want to play against Arsenal, Liverpool etc next season i don’t see how this season we are conditioning and preparing very well.

I don’t think you’re showing foresight personally.
Go and support a top club then you would fit in well with all the other plastics
 

in his 1st 2 years he was good. espically the 1st year under hecky he was big reason why we played forest in playoffs. as he saved us 10pts with some vital saves.

but the premier league ruined him & his confidence he never recovered
He always had a mistake in him though. He got away with quite a lot in Championship because teams weren't good enough to capitalise on them, in the Premier League they were and he got slaughtered.

Two mistakes in the last minute away at Aston Villa and then at home to Luton Town. Snuffed out our mini revival. We should have had 6 points there and got 1
 
Go and support a top club then you would fit in well with all the other plastics
As you do, I just want the best for us. On a forum you’re going to get different view points from all ends of the spectrum. Calling people fannies and wet wipes on here because other opinions hurt you just reflects badly on you. If you want an echo chamber just read your own posts and block everyone else.

My comments are said because i wan't to see us improve and succeed. I personally think we have a culture of accepting that we are nothing more than little Sheffield United and we have our box/mould and we should just stay in it. Anything above the norm is a bonus. We will struggle to progress with this mindset. I want us to be like a Bournemouth, Brentford, Forrest, Brighton etc and have long-term stability at the top. Money argument aside there are other ways we can help this. As they have all done the performance is crucial, huge budgets aren't required to string passes together, stay composed, have dynamic patterns of play, and not park the bus for 20 minutes and hoof it clear like it's a ticking time bomb. All this against what should be more comfortable opponents (compared to next season and last). It's not a one off, this is a pattern of our 'performances' across the season.

I know my posts are much more critical than most and sometimes said when feeling frustrated but I also praise when we are good. That just doesn't happen too often. We are OK and can produce better with the quality we have. I've said this many times, Wilder is doing a decent job, he has his qualities but there are lots of things we can be better at, especially if we want long-term success.
 
As you do, I just want the best for us. On a forum you’re going to get different view points from all ends of the spectrum. Calling people fannies and wet wipes on here because other opinions hurt you just reflects badly on you. If you want an echo chamber just read your own posts and block everyone else.

My comments are said because i wan't to see us improve and succeed. I personally think we have a culture of accepting that we are nothing more than little Sheffield United and we have our box/mould and we should just stay in it. Anything above the norm is a bonus. We will struggle to progress with this mindset. I want us to be like a Bournemouth, Brentford, Forrest, Brighton etc and have long-term stability at the top. Money argument aside there are other ways we can help this. As they have all done the performance is crucial, huge budgets aren't required to string passes together, stay composed, have dynamic patterns of play, and not park the bus for 20 minutes and hoof it clear like it's a ticking time bomb. All this against what should be more comfortable opponents (compared to next season and last). It's not a one off, this is a pattern of our 'performances' across the season.

I know my posts are much more critical than most and sometimes said when feeling frustrated but I also praise when we are good. That just doesn't happen too often. We are OK and can produce better with the quality we have. I've said this many times, Wilder is doing a decent job, he has his qualities but there are lots of things we can be better at, especially if we want long-term success.
Snidey little digs about how your comments hurt me just sum you up as a person

The rest of your post is little big man nonsense
 
Performances are not irrelevant. Why would top clubs focus on this, often at the expense of not winning then (short-term). It was the main reason we managed to do well last time Wilder took us up.

Good and consistent performances are what develop a good squad for long-term success. Having a defined style and philosophy is good for sustainable success. It’s about the long-term picture and development. What we are doing is the opposite. Short sighted approach of chasing the points and then resolving it when we get there. It’s going to end badly.

Opposition take credit of course but that doesn’t mean we didn’t make mistakes. QPR didn’t make us misplace 20/30 easy passes or launch it clear under pressure when the players could’ve been braver and played out. They pressured well but our players needed to keep better composure also. Its QPR at the end of the day and if we want to play against Arsenal, Liverpool etc next season i don’t see how this season we are conditioning and preparing very well.

I don’t think you’re showing foresight personally.
What I see is a team that has been partly assembled last summer giving it's all to put us in a great position this winter to push on. In the winter window we've strengthened all areas but are now bedding in new players into a team that was running on fumes. Many players look tired but are putting their bodies on the line for this manager many fools on here deem useless.
We are getting results way beyond what could reasonably be expected.
I also see signs that we are becoming a lot better at keeping possession as the players get to know each others games. We also are getting better at pressing in the opposition half and stopping teams dictating play.
We are improving our 'performance" bit by bit. QPR had just had was it 7 wins in 8?
We will see more cohesion every game going forward as the team gells together.
Wilder has performed miracles getting results while undertaking this huge squad overhaul and has players turning their blood to water for him.
How some so called fans can't see this and continually want to detail us talking about getting other better managers in completely baffles me.
Come on Chrissy Wilder and thank you for what you are doing.
An absolutely awesome achievement so far this season in the circumstances. Long may is continue.
 
As you do, I just want the best for us. On a forum you’re going to get different view points from all ends of the spectrum. Calling people fannies and wet wipes on here because other opinions hurt you just reflects badly on you. If you want an echo chamber just read your own posts and block everyone else.

My comments are said because i wan't to see us improve and succeed. I personally think we have a culture of accepting that we are nothing more than little Sheffield United and we have our box/mould and we should just stay in it. Anything above the norm is a bonus. We will struggle to progress with this mindset. I want us to be like a Bournemouth, Brentford, Forrest, Brighton etc and have long-term stability at the top. Money argument aside there are other ways we can help this. As they have all done the performance is crucial, huge budgets aren't required to string passes together, stay composed, have dynamic patterns of play, and not park the bus for 20 minutes and hoof it clear like it's a ticking time bomb. All this against what should be more comfortable opponents (compared to next season and last). It's not a one off, this is a pattern of our 'performances' across the season.

I know my posts are much more critical than most and sometimes said when feeling frustrated but I also praise when we are good. That just doesn't happen too often. We are OK and can produce better with the quality we have. I've said this many times, Wilder is doing a decent job, he has his qualities but there are lots of things we can be better at, especially if we want long-term success.
Don't waste your breath
 
We are definitely flat track bullies. We've picked up loads of points from scrappy away games. Everytime we play against a decent team (ok, there's arguably only 2 teams better than us - Leeds and Burnley) we lose, home and away. That's disheartening.
 
As you do, I just want the best for us. On a forum you’re going to get different view points from all ends of the spectrum. Calling people fannies and wet wipes on here because other opinions hurt you just reflects badly on you. If you want an echo chamber just read your own posts and block everyone else.

My comments are said because i wan't to see us improve and succeed. I personally think we have a culture of accepting that we are nothing more than little Sheffield United and we have our box/mould and we should just stay in it. Anything above the norm is a bonus. We will struggle to progress with this mindset. I want us to be like a Bournemouth, Brentford, Forrest, Brighton etc and have long-term stability at the top. Money argument aside there are other ways we can help this. As they have all done the performance is crucial, huge budgets aren't required to string passes together, stay composed, have dynamic patterns of play, and not park the bus for 20 minutes and hoof it clear like it's a ticking time bomb. All this against what should be more comfortable opponents (compared to next season and last). It's not a one off, this is a pattern of our 'performances' across the season.

I know my posts are much more critical than most and sometimes said when feeling frustrated but I also praise when we are good. That just doesn't happen too often. We are OK and can produce better with the quality we have. I've said this many times, Wilder is doing a decent job, he has his qualities but there are lots of things we can be better at, especially if we want long-term success.
I don’t understand why what you said is so controversial on this forum. People act like performing generally poorly and grinding out wins at this level is a formula for establishing ourselves as a top-flight club. It’s baffling.

It’s as if last season never happened with some people. I understand wanting to conveniently forget what happened, but the red flags were there in the promotion season under Hecky, and I worry they’re now there again under Wilder. Pointing out which parts of our game we need to improve to avoid reprising our role as the ceremonial whipping boys does not make you an ungrateful fan. It’s wanting the best for your club as you say.
 
If you want a change of manager as many advocate, you are almost certain to get less out of the resources available than Wilder is.
Who replaces him and does better within the constraints a United manager has to work?

Why not provide some candidate names please with a record of their success in similar scenarios to ours, instead of endlessly criticizing what we do have..

Come on, tell us who is a better choice than CW and why?
 
Danny Rohl, cos he's got a team of tossers churning out decent results, with fuck all backing from Chansiri. Not saying he's better than Wilder, but he's impressed a lot of people with what he's achieved on such little resource.
 
Danny Rohl, cos he's got a team of tossers churning out decent results, with fuck all backing from Chansiri. Not saying he's better than Wilder, but he's impressed a lot of people with what he's achieved on such little resource.

Are you just having a dig or are you being serious? Churning out decent results - 13th in the table. I don't think so. However, if that was the opinion of some mad S6 merchant, I get it
 

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