Proper football, Wilder and Basset

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lingsbord said:
Anybody who thinks Bassett's style was simply hoofball is clueless. Percentage football has its place, and for a good few years under Bassett it worked a treat. Overlapping fullbacks, balls into the channels to turn defences to give the strikers a chance against retreating defenders, the rest of the side pressing the second and third ball, it's all good when it works (the unclean got close to promotion the last 2 seasons - Carlos is a percentage coach).

On the other hand, keeping the ball for the sake of keeping the ball, massively high pass completion rates and possession percentages etc might be considered "proper" football, but if you're David Weir and you can gain 70% possession but lose 1-0 week after depressing week, you can stick your "proper" football up yer arse. If you want perfect shapes and movement, fuck off and watch Strictly....

PROPER football is winning football. As fans, we turn up to watch a team that wins football matches. How they achieve those wins matters as much as the order in which winning lottery numbers are drawn out. These poncy cunts who think we have to dance the right steps while we're going about our business are sad and delusional clueless no-marks looking to provoke a response on forums.

WINNING football is all that matters to a genuine fan, and however you achieve it is absolutely and completely irrelevant.
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So what is the BEST way of obtaining winning football on a regular basis ??

Be as detailed as you so desire !

UTB

PS It is absolutely and completely relevant btw.
 



Its also very hard to compare 1990 football with 2017 football due to the immense changes in football itself .

Money had yet to get a grip on football that it has now
Squads were far smaller due to half as many subs
The game in 1990 was still very physical , we were competing toe to toe with leeds who had strachan chapman and jones kicking lumps out of people
A lot of clubs were less finely tuned athletically , body mass then meant micky Quinn
Wimbledon had set a trend of playing football to win above aesthetics

The game today is about diet , self control , super fitness , CW has married this to freedom to play , its good to watch and impressive to see how fit we are
 
DronnieBlade said:
You are of course right. Derbies are different. But not so much. The pitch is the same. The goals are the same.

But I actually WANT to see us dish out a pure footballing lesson in the process. Rub their fucking noses in it while inpolitely reminding them that the "gap" was, is, and always has been a figment of their inbred imaginations.

If it goes in off Westwoods arse, so be it.

UTB
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I too want us to play the pig bastards off the pitch and have them chasing shadows for 90 minutes whilst we shout OLE!
Seldom do Derby games work out like that.
Fortunately we have a manager who cares every bit as much as you or I and I have every confidence he will have us in the best set up to achieve a good outcome
Smeghead did the right thing for them. Wasnt pretty but it got them 4 points out of 6 and crucially a bullying comeback from 2-0 down at the Lane.
 
DronnieBlade said:
So what is the BEST way of obtaining winning football on a regular basis ??

Be as detailed as you so desire !

UTB

PS It is absolutely and completely relevant btw.
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If I knew that I'd be Real Madrid manager. I don't claim to know how to achieve it, I just guarantee that if your team is winning consistently, the manner by which they achieve it is completely irrelevant. The idea that you simply must do it in this way or that doesn't come into it.

If all we did was whack the fucker forrerd at every opportunity, but we won most games, would that be a problem? Is that somehow a worse way than 38 passes first and then hopefully the opposition allows us to stroll through them?

I want my team to WIN - that's all. There is no more. Nigel Adkins only ever said one thing I agreed with. Get the ball in their net, keep it out of yours.
How you dance in between means fuck all to me. Yes I loved Woody and TC, the football was wonderful, but I also loved Bassett's teams, Kendall, Spackman, and now Wilder. Different styles, winning football, ergo PROPER football
 
lingsbord said:
If I knew that I'd be Real Madrid manager. I don't claim to know how to achieve it, I just guarantee that if your team is winning consistently, the manner by which they achieve it is completely irrelevant. The idea that you simply must do it in this way or that doesn't come into it.

If all we did was whack the fucker forrerd at every opportunity, but we won most games, would that be a problem? Is that somehow a worse way than 38 passes first and then hopefully the opposition allows us to stroll through them?

I want my team to WIN - that's all. There is no more. Nigel Adkins only ever said one thing I agreed with. Get the ball in their net, keep it out of yours. How you dance in between means fuck all to me. Yes I loved Woody and TC, the football was wonderful, but I also loved Basset's teams, Kendall, Spackman, and now Wilder. Different styles, winning football, ergo PROPER football
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OK.

Let's come at this from a different angle.

First 4 games of last season conveniently ignored, as the new squad was clearly taking a bit of time to "gel".:)

We then went 42 games with just 3 defeats. 3.

99 points in 42 games. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes and someone had told me, I'd have said do one smackhead !!

Utterly phenomenal points haul.

Winning football, I'm sure you would agree.

Now, how EXACTLY was this achieved ?

UTB

Ps your Quote "how you dance in between means fuck all to me" is where we clearly differ.
 
DronnieBlade said:
OK.

Let's come at this from a different angle.

First 4 games of last season conveniently ignored, as the new squad was clearly taking a bit of time to "gel".:)

We then went 42 games with just 3 defeats. 3.

99 points in 42 games. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes and someone had told me, I'd have said do one smackhead !!

Utterly phenomenal points haul.

Winning football, I'm sure you would agree.

Now, how EXACTLY was this achieved ?

UTB
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Straight over my head this Dronnie mate, not sure what your point is. MY point is, CW delivered proper football because it was winning football. I loved every minute and I hope the guy is still our manager in the PL in 2027. He delivered winning football therefore it was proper football. I also think Bassett played "proper" football for 75% of his time at BDTBL.

What have I said to rattle your cage mate? Let me be clear. Winning football is proper football for any football fan. If you're winning, who is ever going to say "yes but it's not proper football is it?"

CW is the new Bassett for me. Not necessarily in style, but in approach, in sentiment, in attitude.
 
lingsbord said:
Straight over my head this Dronnie mate, not sure what your point is. MY point is, CW delivered proper football because it was winning football. I loved every minute and I hope the guy is still our manager in the PL in 2027. He delivered winning football therefore it was proper football. I also think Bassett played "proper" football for 75% of his time at BDTBL.

What have I said to rattle your cage mate? Let me be clear. Winning football is proper football for any football fan. If you're winning, who is ever going to say "yes but it's not proper football is it?"

CW is the new Bassett for me. Not necessarily in style, but in approach, in sentiment, in attitude.
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Straight over my head seals it !

Not wanting a row fella. But what frustrates the shit out of me, and others, is the gerritupem gerritforrard brigade who, IMHO and only that, clearly don't know any better. The prawn sandwich mob !!!

In your own day job, there is the right way, or at least a good way, of achieving consistent outcomes, consistent performances and consistent results. There is also a crap way which does none of this. Being experienced if not expert in your own field, you know intuitively what to do.

It's borne of experience and expertise. Large sections of our fan base are (clearly) neither experienced or expert when it comes to football. A few are. Maybe !

UTB
 
DronnieBlade said:
Straight over my head seals it !

Not wanting a row fella. But what frustrates the shit out of me, and others, is the gerritupem gerritforrard brigade who, IMHO and only that, clearly don't know any better. The prawn sandwich mob !!!

In your own day job, there is the right way, or at least a good way, of achieving consistent outcomes, consistent performances and consistent results. There is also a crap way which does none of this. Being experienced if not expert in your own field, you know intuitively what to do.

It's borne of experience and expertise. Large sections of our fan base are (clearly) neither experienced or expert when it comes to football. A few are. Maybe !

UTB
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Dronnie mate you missed the point entirely.

I am absolutely not a member of the "gerritforrerd brigade". Not even close. Personally, my favourite managers have been Harris, Bassett, Kendall, Spackman and Wilder, and I really wanted Weir and Clough to be successful.

I love quality football. I love the "beautiful game". I think you missed my point entirely mate.

I speak for fans who turn up week in, week out, year in, year out. YES, it would be great if our 3rd division (as was) club could play like Barcelona or Real Madrid, watching players like Messi and Ronaldo carving out shapes and embarrassing the opposition, but in the end we didn't need to do that because whatever our style or approach, it was WINNING football. Did anyone dissect the style, the formation, the in-game management? Or did we just revel in the 3 points at the end of the day and go home happy?

Dronnie, I don't care if YOU are our midfield general, carrying a pint in one hand and a kebab in the other, wearing a string vest, a spangly thong and wellies, as long as at 10 to 5 the Blades have 3 points in the bag. I would PREFER it if we took the absolute piss, played like Brazil circa 1974, but I would happily take a lucky bounce off an unwitting arse every time if it won us the game.

Super sexy football is great when it works. As Leicester proved though, a bunch of bajillionaires playing sexy football doeasn't count for a wet fart if you let a hoofball team from the East Midlands win all the games.

That's my point. AS A FAN - do you want pretty, or do you want successful, IF that is the choice. Of course we'd all love sexy AND successful, but I'd take successful over sexy if that was the choice
 
lingsbord said:
WINNING football is all that matters to a genuine fan, and however you achieve it is absolutely and completely irrelevant.
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Really.

So you seriously don't prefer watching a team gain promotion like United did last season over say how Bolton achieved it?

Of course winning beautiful is better than winning ugly. I don't understand why that is so hard a concept for some to grasp.
 
Bladepicker said:
Really.

So you seriously don't prefer watching a team gain promotion like United did last season over say how Bolton achieved it?

Of course winning beautiful is better than winning ugly. I don't understand why that is so hard a concept for some to grasp.
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100% agree. Winning beautiful is always better than winning ugly, BUT WINNING ugly is better than losing beautiful - why is THAT such a difficult concept for some to grasp?

BTW We won the League mate, not Bolton. I loved every minute of our season and thought Bolton were shite and we'd finish above them. We played better stuff and pissed on them over the season. However, ask Bolton fans if they give a shit about HOW they got up.
 
lingsbord said:
Dronnie mate you missed the point entirely.

I am absolutely not a member of the "gerritforrerd brigade". Not even close. Personally, my favourite managers have been Harris, Bassett, Kendall, Spackman and Wilder, and I really wanted Weir and Clough to be successful.

I love quality football. I love the "beautiful game". I think you missed my point entirely mate.

I speak for fans who turn up week in, week out, year in, year out. YES, it would be great if our 3rd division (as was) club could play like Barcelona or Real Madrid, watching players like Messi and Ronaldo carving out shapes and embarrassing the opposition, but in the end we didn't need to do that because whatever our style or approach, it was WINNING football. Did anyone dissect the style, the formation, the in-game management? Or did we just revel in the 3 points at the end of the day and go home happy?

Dronnie, I don't care if YOU are our midfield general, carrying a pint in one hand and a kebab in the other, wearing a string vest, a spangly thong and wellies, as long as at 10 to 5 the Blades have 3 points in the bag. I would PREFER it if we took the absolute piss, played like Brazil circa 1974, but I would happily take a lucky bounce off an unwitting arse every time if it won us the game.

Super sexy football is great when it works. As Leicester proved though, a bunch of bajillionaires playing sexy football doeasn't count for a wet fart if you let a hoofball team from the East Midlands win all the games.

That's my point. AS A FAN - do you want pretty, or do you want successful, IF that is the choice. Of course we'd all love sexy AND successful, but I'd take successful over sexy if that was the choice
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And THATS the fundamental difference between experience and expertise and, well, not.

I will absolutely guarantee you that Tufty will be more pleased with a solid professional performance that results in a loss, than a dogshit performance that scrapes a win. Guarantee it. He would sympathise with the players in the above scenario for the loss and bawl them out for the win. As sure as eggs is eggs. 100%. Tufty is experienced and expert enough to know that good performances will over the season be rewarded. Evidence 199 points in 2 seasons. Astounding.

Experience.
Expertise.
Seeing the bigger picture. A visionary ;)

The good news is that while much of what I say goes over your (and others) heads, it's not lost on our Chris. From which I take great comfort !

UTB
 



DronnieBlade said:
And THATS the fundamental difference between experience and expertise and, well, not.

I will absolutely guarantee you that Tufty will be more pleased with a solid professional performance that results in a loss, than a dogshit performance that scrapes a win. Guarantee it. He would sympathise with the players in the above scenario for the loss and bawl them out for the win. As sure as eggs is eggs. 100%. Tufty is experienced and expert enough to know that good performances will over the season be rewarded. Evidence 199 points in 2 seasons. Astounding.

Experience.
Expert.
Seeing the bigger picture. A visionary ;)

The good news is that while much of what I say goes over your (and others) heads, it's not lost on our Chris. From which I take great comfort !

UTB
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With respect I think thats bollux.
If staying up or going up next season hinged on winning ugly are you seriously trying to say Wilder would be gutted we made it and would be happier failing and losing his job.
Wobble thy head.
 
lingsbord said:
100% agree. Winning beautiful is always better than winning ugly, BUT WINNING ugly is better than losing beautiful - why is THAT such a difficult concept for some to grasp?
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It's not. I think most would agree. However the aim of any football team should be to win beautiful as a general concept and ultimate aim. If you win ugly as a philosophy without wanting to improve your style I'd say that is not acceptable.

The aim of any football team should always be to win playing fluid, passing attacking football, as that is both wonderful to watch and how you achieve long term success in the game. To settle for anything less is selling yourself short.
 
seanbeenstattoo said:
With respect I think thats bollux.
If staying up or going up next season hinged on winning ugly are you seriously trying to say Wilder would be gutted we made it and would be happier failing and losing his job.
Wobble thy head.
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You think 90+% of stuff that is put on here is bollux, so I'll consider myself part of the in crowd !

With respect.

UTB
 
DronnieBlade said:
And THATS the fundamental difference between experience and expertise and, well, not.

I will absolutely guarantee you that Tufty will be more pleased with a solid professional performance that results in a loss, than a dogshit performance that scrapes a win. Guarantee it. He would sympathise with the players in the above scenario for the loss and bawl them out for the win. As sure as eggs is eggs. 100%. Tufty is experienced and expert enough to know that good performances will over the season be rewarded. Evidence 199 points in 2 seasons. Astounding.

Experience.
Expert.
Seeing the bigger picture. A visionary ;)

The good news is that while much of what I say goes over your (and others) heads, it's not lost on our Chris. From which I take great comfort !

UTB
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Point is mate, 46 dogshit performances that get promotion will always be better than 46 scintillating performances that leave us struggling at the bottom. I GUARANTEE "Tufty" would agree.

Still, you and pinchy are the footballing visionaries on here, so I doff my cap as appropriate.

I have never been an advocate of the "gerrit forrerd" style of football, but regardless of what's on the pitch, I prefer going home with 3 points in the bag first. How we got them is next on the priority list. You football geniuses have to try to accommodate or otherwise try to suffer the complete lunatics and fuckwits like the rest of us who just want to win first, and analyse it later
 
I think, fundamentally there are only 2 things that have to be taken into account when describing 'proper football'. Quality and Flexibility. That's it.

There is no 'how to win at football' blueprint. There's the ability, by skillful, well drilled and conditioned players to play in a variety of formations, in a variety of conditions to get the job done. That's it. Nothing more.
 
Bladepicker said:
It's not. I think most would agree. However the aim of any football team should be to win beautiful as a general concept and ultimate aim. If you win ugly as a philosophy without wanting to improve your style I'd say that is not acceptable.

The aim of any football team should always be to win playing fluid, passing attacking football, as that is both wonderful to watch and how you achieve long term success in the game. To settle for anything less is selling yourself short.
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Couldn't agree more mate. I'm not sure how my comments got skewed in any other direction. All I'm saying is that when a team is winning games, the average fan is happy. End of. It's only when the team starts losing too many that the style even becomes a part of the thought process.
 
lingsbord said:
100% agree. Winning beautiful is always better than winning ugly, BUT WINNING ugly is better than losing beautiful - why is THAT such a difficult concept for some to grasp?

BTW We won the League mate, not Bolton. I loved every minute of our season and thought Bolton were shite and we'd finish above them. We played better stuff and pissed on them over the season. However, ask Bolton fans if they give a shit about HOW they got up.
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Because there becomes a point when it isn't enough. Football is about entertainment as well as winning. Would you rather us finish eighth in the championship playing Blackwell style football or twelfth playing Wilder style?

When Harry took over we'd been out of the top flight for a long time and we had a fanbase that felt we should be in Div 1 and demanded it happened soon. We had neither the time to slowly build a footballing side good enough for promotion or the finances to buy one. So Bassett did what he knew worked for him. It wasn't pretty and before we got into div 1 was mainly kick and rush football. The style improved as players like Deane developed and we added Hodgy and the kids coming through, Whitehouse, Ward, who could play a bit.
Had we had stable leadership above and kept Deano, or given Harry enough money to replace him, I think we'd have continued to improve our play. But we didn't.

It was right at the time but I don't want to see us playing like that again. Watching Leicester v Atletic when they reverted to that in the second half reminded me of watching us losing to one of the bigger clubs during the Bassett days and I realised I'd rather watch us play passing football in the championship than be a West Brom type of team, dull as fuck and whose only ambition is to stay in the PL.

I want us to build a team, using good recruitment and the academy, that plays purposeful passing football and I'd rather us take five years to do so and challenge at the top than to try to shortcut it by getting a big man and launching balls at him.
 
Ron_Justice said:
I think, fundamentally there are only 2 things that have to be taken into account when describing 'proper football'. Quality and Flexibility. That's it.

There is no 'how to win at football' blueprint. There's the ability, by skillful, well drilled and conditioned players to play in a variety of formations, in a variety of conditions to get the job done. That's it. Nothing more.
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I would suggest that every professional manager in the world whose job hinges on results would say the only proper football is winning football.
But hey what the fuck would they know. They arent lucky enough to never get nearer to actually doing the job than posting on a football forum.
 
seanbeenstattoo said:
No mate.
Just what is bollux.
With respect.
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So 90+% of posts or posters talk bollux then ?

And it's your duty to let them know as such !

Our views differ. No problem. Stating a posters comments are bollux without giving ANY evidence as to why, frankly, tells its own story.

Not looking for a row fella. All Blades.

UTB
 



seanbeenstattoo said:
I would suggest that every professional manager in the world whose job hinges on results would say the only proper football is winning football.
But hey what the fuck would they know. They arent lucky enough to never get nearer to actually doing the job than posting on a football forum.
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'Getting the job done' aka winning...
 
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