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To me though DW has proved he would prefer us to play entertaining football but this season he has lost the playing staff with the ability to play this way and so we have been grinding out results however we can. I cant see how we can expect any more from a manager and I cant see how we could expect any other manager to do any better with the resources available to us.

Also the last line of your post 'The fans have been extremely patient so far, but boring football + no end result is a recipe for change.' if we get promoted then surly it would be boring football with an end result so surely that isnt a recipe for change?

We ain't going to agree on this, Ted!

I cant see how we could expect any other manager to do any better with the resources available to us.

Have a read of that link re. Yeovil and 'resources available'.(Six times the crowds, sponsors and other revenues).

If we get promoted then surely it would be boring football with an end result so surely that isn't a recipe for change?

Correct. But the 'if' is becoming massively optimistic.
 



I dont think the 'if's is becoming massively optimistic, we just lost once after not even conceding a goal in the past 6, we win our game in hand and we're in the autos.

Also last time I looked we were above Yeovil having played the same amount of games

The thing is you said he should go even if we do go up which implies that the 'if's' have happened and we have had a successful season so why sack the manager? Just doesnt make any sense to me as I cant see what more he could have done and sacking manager after manager is responsible for us being in this mess in the first place.
 
So youd want to get rid of a manager who gave us a fantastic season last season with us one of the highest scorers in the world and then got us promoted in his second season? even if we finish as champions? maddness!

A fantastic season???? Losing play off finalists in division 3???? Out of sight and still managing to fuck up, and to the fucking Grunters which is unforgiveable???? Get a grip man, if that was a fantastic season you need therapy.

All we had last season was a hatful of goals by the convicted rapist, as soon as we lost him we all saw how shite we were so sorry but fantastic season???? Nowhere near mate and no wonder you lost control when you spelt "maddness", because you must have gone starkk ravingg madd!!!!
 
The thing is you said he should go even if we do go up which implies that the 'if's' have happened and we have had a successful season so why sack the manager? Just doesnt make any sense to me as I cant see what more he could have done and sacking manager after manager is responsible for us being in this mess in the first place.

Which brings me to one of my bugbears about football. Why, if a manager gets promotion from a lower league, is he automatically 'given a chance' at the higher level? By the time that chance has run out it's Christmas, the club have one foot back in the lower division and the hunt for a new manager begins anew (like Warnock at QPR etc.)

Just because a bloke is good at being Area Manager doesn't mean he'll cut it as MD - it's horses for courses. And if it seems harsh to sack a bloke who has achieved success, it wouldn't if it was handled properly.

Warnock at QPR (and Leeds, and SUFC) is a good example. The guy has a good record at getting promotion. Therefore, he should be employed on that basis. When he was set on, that should have been the parameters of the job. 'Neil, you've been brought in to achieve promotion in X-number of years. Do that, and there's £Xm in your bank account and we both move on.'

To continue the analogy, if that had been the terms of DWs contract, it would make for a sound business model. Whatever a manager does, he'll get the sack anyway. But by laying out end-result specific terms at the outset, both parties could part on equal terms. In Summer - IF we go up - it could be 'Thanks Danny. You knew why you were brought in, but now we're going for a manager with more recent experience at the higher level. Here's Mark Hughes.'
If the desired outcome isn't achieved, there's no massive pay-off for failure - the terms would have been laid out in black and white.

The lowest salesman knows he's in a results-dependent business. And I don't accept that a manager wouldn't agree to this - there's plenty out there who would. And for those who didn't want the risks, they've proved they're not confident in their abilities and lack ambition.
 
A fantastic season???? Losing play off finalists in division 3???? Out of sight and still managing to fuck up, and to the fucking Grunters which is unforgiveable???? Get a grip man, if that was a fantastic season you need therapy.

All we had last season was a hatful of goals by the convicted rapist, as soon as we lost him we all saw how shite we were so sorry but fantastic season???? Nowhere near mate and no wonder you lost control when you spelt "maddness", because you must have gone starkk ravingg madd!!!!

Id say until the end of last season it was one of the most enjoyable for years, we played attractive entertaining football and scored shed loads of goals, it just had a bad ending we all know that. And we all know it was because of Ched not DW that we failed.
 
Which brings me to one of my bugbears about football. Why, if a manager gets promotion from a lower league, is he automatically 'given a chance' at the higher level? By the time that chance has run out it's Christmas, the club have one foot back in the lower division and the hunt for a new manager begins anew (like Warnock at QPR etc.)

Just because a bloke is good at being Area Manager doesn't mean he'll cut it as MD - it's horses for courses. And if it seems harsh to sack a bloke who has achieved success, it wouldn't if it was handled properly.

Warnock at QPR (and Leeds, and SUFC) is a good example. The guy has a good record at getting promotion. Therefore, he should be employed on that basis. When he was set on, that should have been the parameters of the job. 'Neil, you've been brought in to achieve promotion in X-number of years. Do that, and there's £Xm in your bank account and we both move on.'

To continue the analogy, if that had been the terms of DWs contract, it would make for a sound business model. Whatever a manager does, he'll get the sack anyway. But by laying out end-result specific terms at the outset, both parties could part on equal terms. In Summer - IF we go up - it could be 'Thanks Danny. You knew why you were brought in, but now we're going for a manager with more recent experience at the higher level. Here's Mark Hughes.'
If the desired outcome isn't achieved, there's no massive pay-off for failure - the terms would have been laid out in black and white.

The lowest salesman knows he's in a results-dependent business. And I don't accept that a manager wouldn't agree to this - there's plenty out there who would. And for those who didn't want the risks, they've proved they're not confident in their abilities and lack ambition.

I just think stability is very important in football, look at Ferguson at Manure. Also it'll hardly inspire managers to want to get promoted just so they get the sack. Theres also no guarantee that the new manager will do well just because he has done before, especially with someone elses team that probably wont play to his style. So all of a sudden you need a completely new team and probably backroom staff too which leaves you skint, then what do you do if he fails after 10 games, sack him and get another one in. Don't you realise this is why we are where we are now?

Id much rather have DW than Mark Hughes too
 
I'm not convinced Collins and Maguire would be the answer in the Chumpionship. Having said that, you never know how players are going to react to the step up. We had players in 06/07 that had good seasons in the Prem that most would have written off in that League and other supposedly 'better' players who ended up having no impact.
 
Just got this awful feeling that we'll lose in the play-off semi final this year. Don't think we've got the strength to get through via the play off route, and I'm far from convinced that we're good enough to get enough points to go up automatic.

Should the unthinkable happen and we get promoted I honestly think we'd be fooked. The first team would need a complete rebuild, the squad as it stands would be nowhere near good enough and McCabes track record suggests that he'd be quite happy to let the manager take the rap for his tightness and wouldn't give a shit if we proved to be the laughing stock of the league.

We'll do nowt whilever McCabes at the helm, it's that simple. The man doesn't give a shit about football, he's shown that year in year out so don't worry about it mate, you can't do owt about it and the bloke who can won't.

Poetry, sweet poetry.
 

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