Preston's goal

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the fact that their goal originated from piss poor marking from a throw in. This is schoolboy stuff and should not happen in a well drilled professional team.

I once played for a very successful six a side team that never lost a game in two years, largely on the back of the captain/ manager screaming at us to " mark tight, mark tight " in every dead ball situation.

I well remember that in one game, a tricky winger turned to me and said " I'm glad we don't play against you lot every week, we never get the fucking ball"

Basic stuff, I know, but if you watch closely it's amazing how many times professional teams overlook this simple aspect of the game - and we did today.

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the fact that their goal originated from piss poor marking from a throw in. This is schoolboy stuff and should not happen in a well drilled professional team.

I once played for a very successful six a side team that never lost a game in two years, largely on the back of the captain/ manager screaming at us to " mark tight, mark tight " in every dead ball situation.

I well remember that in one game, a tricky winger turned to me and said " I'm glad we don't play against you lot every week, we never get the fucking ball"

Basic stuff, I know, but if you watch closely it's amazing how many times professional teams overlook this simple aspect of the game - and we did today.

Was just about to post the same thing.

Shambolic goal. Terrible organization and marking on the throw in (Caruthers was it?), back line far to deep by about 5-10 yards, and terrible marking to let their lad in at the back post. We even had a stoppage for the substitution to get organized.

Terrible goal at any level of football.

 

[Harrisblade]

Was just about to post the same thing.

Shambolic goal. Terrible organization and marking on the throw in (Caruthers was it?), back line far to deep by about 5-10 yards, and terrible marking to let their lad in at the back post. We even had a stoppage for the substitution to get organized.

Terrible goal at any level of football.

Unfortunately terrible goals happen at every level of football

 

[coaxingstar71]

It was that bad that it's still not available to view the 'highlights' on Sky.

 

[JohnDenver]

Was just about to post the same thing.

Shambolic goal. Terrible organization and marking on the throw in (Caruthers was it?), back line far to deep by about 5-10 yards, and terrible marking to let their lad in at the back post. We even had a stoppage for the substitution to get organized.

Terrible goal at any level of football.

Lafferty had come on for Baldock and he was explaining the reorganisation to rest of the defence, and meanwhile Carruthers was/is just defensively atrocious even at the best of times. In that moment we allowed them a free cross of the ball and for once Hugill timed a run correctly.

Only a clean sheet could have saved us yesterday.

 

[Davalon]

I'll be surprised if Samir is still around come February.

Everything about his performances and approach doesn't meet the Wilder identikit. He must show something different in training.

 

[Northyorksblade]

I'll be surprised if Samir is still around come February.
He must show something different in training.

Not necessarily, what other option did Wilder have really? He was the obvious choice and unfortunately came up short, when it could have been his chance to shine.

 

[beatific blade]

I'll be surprised if Samir is still around come February.

Everything about his performances and approach doesn't meet the Wilder identikit. He must show something different in training.

He strikes me as the typical flash, yet average, pro footballer that hides until the game is won, when the flicks and tricks then come out and he looks better than he is.

 

[Davalon]

Not necessarily, what other option did Wilder have really? He was the obvious choice and unfortunately came up short, when it could have been his chance to shine.

If he trains regularly like he too often plays, I don't think he'd be anywhere near a starting role under Wilder.

 

[Guesty]

He strikes me as the typical flash, yet average, pro footballer that hides until the game is won, when the flicks and tricks then come out and he looks better than he is.

Brian Howard was the same. Made his debut as a sub at 3-0 up and looked unplayable, never really did it after that.

 

[Northyorksblade]

If he trains regularly like he too often plays, I don't think he'd be anywhere near a starting role under Wilder.

So who else was there?

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Not necessarily, what other option did Wilder have really? He was the obvious choice and unfortunately came up short,

It's one thing to criticise a player's performance due to a lack of applying themselves, but having a go about something they can't do anything about is a bit below the belt NYB

 

[Trafford]

It was that bad that it's still not available to view the 'highlights' on Sky.

They’re in the Video section, you have to scroll down a number of pages. I’d attach the link but I don’t know how when it’s a Sky page!

 

[Davalon]

So who else was there?

Not too many obviously. But my view isn't just about yesterday.

 

[Silent Blade]

Looked offside.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the fact that their goal originated from piss poor marking from a throw in. This is schoolboy stuff and should not happen in a well drilled professional team.

I once played for a very successful six a side team that never lost a game in two years, largely on the back of the captain/ manager screaming at us to " mark tight, mark tight " in every dead ball situation.

I well remember that in one game, a tricky winger turned to me and said " I'm glad we don't play against you lot every week, we never get the fucking ball"

Basic stuff, I know, but if you watch closely it's amazing how many times professional teams overlook this simple aspect of the game - and we did today.

Nothing wrong with that approach - think we've forgotten what to do when we don't have the ball. Preston 2nd half was an abject level in not digging in and trying to eek out a point. I wonder if games like yesterday may make CW rethink tactics a bit.

UTB

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the fact that their goal originated from piss poor marking from a throw in. This is schoolboy stuff and should not happen in a well drilled professional team.

I once played for a very successful six a side team that never lost a game in two years, largely on the back of the captain/ manager screaming at us to " mark tight, mark tight " in every dead ball situation.

I well remember that in one game, a tricky winger turned to me and said " I'm glad we don't play against you lot every week, we never get the fucking ball"

Basic stuff, I know, but if you watch closely it's amazing how many times professional teams overlook this simple aspect of the game - and we did today.

Was it under Adkins that we never moved for our throw-ins? I remember one spell when every time we got a throw-in in our half, it meant we immediately surrendered possession.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

It was that bad that it's still not available to view the 'highlights' on Sky.

Finally, available
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11173719/preston-1-0-sheffield-utd

 

[Grappler]

From where I was sat (Bill Shankly Kop), it looked off side, but worse than that, it looked like a carbon copy of the second goal that Bristol City scored against us at home, player nips round the back of our lads and blasts one, leaving Moore with no chance.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Maybe Carruthers and Lundstram and Basham and Lafferty thought the Ref would do the job for them.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

That footage shows Carruthers mainly at fault - put zero pressure on their no 37 with a minor part played by Lundstram for not trying to close him down before the ball into the box. Seemed quite typical of the midfield in the 2nd half.

UTB

 

[Trafford]

Having watched the highlights again, they had scoring chances from another 2 throw ins from an almost identical position. Poor that it happens once, unforgivable that it happens at least 3 times!

 

[Woodwardfan]

Not too many obviously. But my view isn't just about yesterday.

But the manager never plays the lad.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Nobody seems to have mentioned the fact that their goal originated from piss poor marking from a throw in. This is schoolboy stuff and should not happen in a well drilled professional team.

I once played for a very successful six a side team that never lost a game in two years, largely on the back of the captain/ manager screaming at us to " mark tight, mark tight " in every dead ball situation.

I well remember that in one game, a tricky winger turned to me and said " I'm glad we don't play against you lot every week, we never get the fucking ball"

Basic stuff, I know, but if you watch closely it's amazing how many times professional teams overlook this simple aspect of the game - and we did today.

Have you thought about letting Chris Wilder know this tactic?

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Have you thought about letting Chris Wilder know this tactic?

No, but you're very welcome to pass it on if you so wish.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Having watched the highlights again, they had scoring chances from another 2 throw ins from an almost identical position. Poor that it happens once, unforgivable that it happens at least 3 times!

Based on your comment, I also watched the highlights again and you're absolutely right.

Just in that ten minute slot it did happen three times and the other two also led to very dangerous situations. This is, as you rightly say, unforgivable and the coaching staff have to accept at least some responsibility for a situation like that.

It is on such relatively simple matters like this that football matches are often won or lost and is clearly an area where we can and must improve.

 

[BushBlade]

Based on your comment, I also watched the highlights again and you're absolutely right.

Just in that ten minute slot it did happen three times and the other two also led to very dangerous situations. This is, as you rightly say, unforgivable and the coaching staff have to accept at least some responsibility for a situation like that.

It is on such relatively simple matters like this that football matches are often won or lost and is clearly an area where we can and must improve.

That's not coaching, that's the basics. If a professional footballer doesn't know to pick someone up at a throw in then he probably shouldn't be a professional footballer.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Some clever movement by Preston's two players in the box, meaning the main threat gets away from O'Connell, and isn't properly challenged by Stevens. Carruthers can't stop the cross:




As the closing down is so poor I would have liked our backline to be deeper on this occasion. If Stearman hadn't pushed towards the ball O'Connell could have left the runner to him and focused on defending the deep cross.

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Bristol City's winner was a bit similar. Carruthers can't stop the cross, Stearman doesn't push up, ruining the offside, and the man on the far side is free:

 

[super_pig]

Some clever movement by Preston's two players in the box, meaning the main threat gets away from O'Connell, and isn't properly challenged by Stevens. Carruthers can't stop the cross:

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As the closing down is so poor I would have liked our backline to be deeper on this occasion. If Stearman hadn't pushed towards the ball O'Connell could have left the runner to him and focused on defending the deep cross.

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Bristol City's winner was a bit similar. Carruthers can't stop the cross, Stearman doesn't push up, ruining the offside, and the man on the far side is free:

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same bloody goal!

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Some clever movement by Preston's two players in the box, meaning the main threat gets away from O'Connell, and isn't properly challenged by Stevens. Carruthers can't stop the cross:

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As the closing down is so poor I would have liked our backline to be deeper on this occasion. If Stearman hadn't pushed towards the ball O'Connell could have left the runner to him and focused on defending the deep cross.

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Bristol City's winner was a bit similar. Carruthers can't stop the cross, Stearman doesn't push up, ruining the offside, and the man on the far side is free:

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I always enjoy your analyses. Doesn't this make clear that some aspects of good defending require very good thinking very quickly? In the Bristol City goal, Stearman is at fault for staying back; in the Preston one, he is at fault for not staying back. Is it possible to expect a correct decision in a split second in such similar circumstances? That's a genuine question from a position of ignorance.