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The idea this is our cup final when we have genuinely had probably 10 games bigger than this in the last 12 months is a interesting take.

Of course we're not relegating them singlehandedly if it happens. We are just nailing the coffin shut.


Our uncompetitive premier league seasons I genuinely can't remember the day that relegation was confirmed as it was coming. If it was at the hands of our local rivals I absolutely would remember that though.
 
Bell4 said:
There is no way on earth that their semi final win was on any way lucky . If it wasn’t for Kelly in goal we would have lost 4/5 - 1 .

Let’s not start talking like them hey .

Let’s just beat them , beat them well , laugh at them bouncing like they don’t care , send them down to the third league in England , with no owner despite that administration clown telling everyone tens of consortium’s were fighting over ownership and it would all be complete just after Xmas (clocks go forward soon btw) .
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Well, not exactly ‘lucky’ but it wasn’t, and never should’ve been a cricket score like it probably should’ve been looking at the teams on paper. (I must’ve watched a different game to u bcos there’s no way, as I recall it, that they should’ve/could’ve had 4 or 5). We gave a good fist of it and was well in the game is what I should’ve said, I just couldn’t be arsed lol 👍
 
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There's a lot of liars in those posts.

Sure relegation was a certainty. And it's just coincidence it could happen against us. But if we beat them heavily it should still sting.

And then there are pure fabrication messages made to make themselves feel better.
 
Updemblades said:
Well, not exactly ‘lucky’ but it wasn’t, and never should’ve been a cricket score like it probably should’ve been looking at the teams on paper. (I must’ve watched a different game to u bcos there’s no way, as I recall it, that they should’ve/could’ve had 4 or 5). We gave a good fist of it and was well in the game is what I should’ve said, I just couldn’t be arsed lol 👍
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‘Lucky’ was the wrong word. Considering the 2 clubs positions, team sheets etc, their victory was nowhere near convincing like it should’ve been, that is what I was trying to get at, that’s all 👍
 
Updemblades said:
Well, not exactly ‘lucky’ but it wasn’t, and never should’ve been a cricket score like it probably should’ve been looking at the teams on paper. (I must’ve watched a different game to u bcos there’s no way, as I recall it, that they should’ve/could’ve had 4 or 5). We gave a good fist of it and was well in the game is what I should’ve said, I just couldn’t be arsed lol 👍
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You kidding?

Warhusrt hit the woodwork twice in the first half when it was 1-0. Kelly made good saves from Hirst and Sheriden in the 2nd half, then another save from Hirst and a World class save from Bright in the 1st period of ET. They also had 2 goals ruled out (correctly) for offside.

We were nowhere near the races that day. In todays terminology I suspect the xG would have looked something like 3.5 to 0.5. The most annoying thing was conceding such a soft winner.
 
Davalon said:
Actually agree with some of the stuff about relegation. It's like kicking a dog after the vet has just given the injection to put it to sleep.

But my God, and they wonder why we talk about delusion.

Global presence LMFAO 🤣
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But was the the dog an insufferable prick...?
 
Roygbiv said:
Obviously, no View From should we lose or draw so hopefully see you all on Sunday evening

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Pre-Match View From Wednesday — The View From

"Realistically, it’s likely to be a difficult scoreline for us. Wilder will have them well organised and highly motivated, so they’ll probably start with intensity.I expect we’ll be competitive for a spell, particularly if we stay disciplined and compact. However, over the course of 90 minutes...
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I had to stop reading half way down. What a bunch of absolute deluded tossers.

How are these people from the same city as us?

They bang on about history, class, bigger, better, global presence, inventing SUFC. It's all bollocks from a fan base that are insecure, jealous and petrified that they are no longer significant - as if they ever were away from the rust bucket.

History is what it is, History! Nobody cares about history, it's all about living in the present, the here and now and now is the time to put that final nail in their coffin this Sunday so let's just hope we do it.

There is no excuse for us to not make it the most hostile and uncormfortable day in their deluded lifetimes.

COYRAWW
UTB
FTP
 
Selly said:
You kidding?

Warhusrt hit the woodwork twice in the first half when it was 1-0. Kelly made good saves from Hirst and Sheriden in the 2nd half, then another save from Hirst and a World class save from Bright in the 1st period of ET. They also had 2 goals ruled out (correctly) for offside.

We were nowhere near the races that day. In todays terminology I suspect the xG would have looked something like 3.5 to 0.5. The most annoying thing was conceding such a soft winner.
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I recall Warhurst hitting the post in the first half and Kelly making a couple of good saves in the 2nd half but top and bottom of what I was saying is that considering the team we had, they didn’t run away with the game. For all their superstars we made a game of it against them and narrowly lost by one goal. I think losing to, as u say, such a soft winning goal may, as a 15 year old, have clouded my judgement a little at the time (it’s not a game I’ve ever watched ANY replays of since) knowing that we’d lost to it.
 
Roygbiv said:
Obviously, no View From should we lose or draw so hopefully see you all on Sunday evening

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Pre-Match View From Wednesday — The View From

"Realistically, it’s likely to be a difficult scoreline for us. Wilder will have them well organised and highly motivated, so they’ll probably start with intensity.I expect we’ll be competitive for a spell, particularly if we stay disciplined and compact. However, over the course of 90 minutes...
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Delusions of grandeur They still believe that they are massive
 



Thinking back to the games in the early 90’s got me reminiscing a little bit and I remember after the 2-0 and 1-3 games (1993 was it?) the scarf stalls around the Lane started selling a selection of t-shirts celebrating the double (I had the one with with 2-0 on the front and 3-1 on the back along with the Greasy Chip butty’ song lyrics). Does anybody else remember them?
 
Updemblades said:
I recall Warhurst hitting the post in the first half and Kelly making a couple of good saves in the 2nd half but top and bottom of what I was saying is that considering the team we had, they didn’t run away with the game. For all their superstars we made a game of it against them and narrowly lost by one goal. I think losing to, as u say, such a soft winning goal may have clouded my judgement a little at the time (it’s not a game I’ve ever watched ANY replays of since) knowing that we’d lost to it.
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The only ‘luck’ they could have been said to have had was the timing of the first goal - from a freekick where we bizarrely decided not to set up a wall and the keeper was poorly positioned.
They had a team of very good players at the time, but they were players who struggled with pressure and as we saw in previous derbies they had a tendency to shrink into themselves if they didn’t score early against a team they were roundly expected to beat. Then if they conceded …
At Wembley though, all that pressure disappeared within minutes due to the freekick, and that enabled a totally different game to play out.
Maybe the second piece of ‘luck’ was the timing of our goal: that was another possible crumble moment, but with half-time immediately following, they were able to regroup and we had no time to build up any momentum off the back of scoring.
I don’t think they were unlucky not to win by more, because our keeper prevented that, and he’s part of the team(!). If you put the best striker up against the best keeper it’s an even match - even if the XG is clearly higher for one side.

The Geordie feller scored a good free-kick, then cancelled it out himself by playing a pensioner onside to poke in the slowest moving rolling ball that Wembley has ever seen for an equaliser.

Apart from that, Kelly matched everything they had as a team, until a poor bit of marking from a set-piece near the end of extra time.

They weren’t lucky to win.
We weren’t lucky to only lose by 1 goal aet.

I
 
Updemblades said:
but top and bottom of what I was saying is that considering the team we had, they didn’t run away with the game.
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We are of a similar age - sure we didn`t have a great team - but we finished that season on 52 points and they, with all their "stars" finished a grand total of 7 points ahead of us.

Their squad wasn`t that much better than ours - I would definitely say that the gap between them and us back in 93 in terms of squad was way smaller than the gap between our squads in our recent PL seasons and whoever finished 7/8th in those seasons.

There was no reason to think we couldn`t have won that game based on the squads - they turned up and we absolutely didn't. Had we won it would have been as big a robbery as our win last weekend.
 
100% part time blade said:
The only ‘luck’ they could have been said to have had was the timing of the first goal - from a freekick where we bizarrely decided not to set up a wall and the keeper was poorly positioned.
They had a team of very good players at the time, but they were players who struggled with pressure and as we saw in previous derbies they had a tendency to shrink into themselves if they didn’t score early against a team they were roundly expected to beat. Then if they conceded …
At Wembley though, all that pressure disappeared within minutes due to the freekick, and that enabled a totally different game to play out.
Maybe the second piece of ‘luck’ was the timing of our goal: that was another possible crumble moment, but with half-time immediately following, they were able to regroup and we had no time to build up any momentum off the back of scoring.
I don’t think they were unlucky not to win by more, because our keeper prevented that, and he’s part of the team(!). If you put the best striker up against the best keeper it’s an even match - even if the XG is clearly higher for one side.

The Geordie feller scored a good free-kick, then cancelled it out himself by playing a pensioner onside to poke in the slowest moving rolling ball that Wembley has ever seen for an equaliser.

Apart from that, Kelly matched everything they had as a team, until a poor bit of marking from a set-piece near the end of extra time.

They weren’t lucky to win.
We weren’t lucky to only lose by 1 goal aet.

I
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Absolutely agree with all uve stated there, mate. As I said, my use of the word ‘luck’ was probably the wrong word to use. I was getting at the fact that the were miles in front of us player for player, league position etc etc but we gave them a game and only narrowly lost. We didn’t get embarrassed.
 
even now in our lowest ebb and their highest peak, they are nowhere near us. This Sunday will at best for them be a Pyrrhic victory. . Trophies, global presence, history set, recency of historical significance, overall highs are much higher, overall lows are still higher, legendary players in their own right, stronger community engagement. They are the better team and “franchise” right now, but Wednesday are the greater club. “

What's this guy on?????
 
Selly said:
We are of a similar age - sure we didn`t have a great team - but we finished that season on 52 points and they, with all their "stars" finished a grand total of 7 points ahead of us.

Their squad wasn`t that much better than ours - I would definitely say that the gap between them and us back in 93 in terms of squad was way smaller than the gap between our squads in our recent PL seasons and whoever finished 7/8th in those seasons.

There was no reason to think we couldn`t have won that game based on the squads - they turned up and we absolutely didn't. Had we won it would have been as big a robbery as our win last weekend.
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if that’s how you remember it then fair enough, I don’t though. Any neutral comparing the 2 teams wouldve picked majority of theor players above ours. We were the underdogs for a reason.
 
Selly said:
We are of a similar age - sure we didn`t have a great team - but we finished that season on 52 points and they, with all their "stars" finished a grand total of 7 points ahead of us.

Their squad wasn`t that much better than ours - I would definitely say that the gap between them and us back in 93 in terms of squad was way smaller than the gap between our squads in our recent PL seasons and whoever finished 7/8th in those seasons.

There was no reason to think we couldn`t have won that game based on the squads - they turned up and we absolutely didn't. Had we won it would have been as big a robbery as our win last weekend.
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The fact all three games against them that season were 1-1 after 90 minutes supports the idea we were fairly similar sides. How much better their squad was is open to debate, but I’d say it was a better squad. Basset won the Manager of the Year Award that season even though we finished with fewer points than a lot of other sides, partly in recognition that he’d managed to get over 50 points and into an FA Cup semi final with a pretty ordinary looking squad on paper.
 
100% part time blade said:
The fact all three games against them that season were 1-1 after 90 minutes supports the idea we were fairly similar sides. How much better their squad was is open to debate, but I’d say it was a better squad. Basset won the Manager of the Year Award that season even though we finished with fewer points than a lot of other sides, partly in recognition that he’d managed to get over 50 points and into an FA Cup semi final with a pretty ordinary looking squad on paper.
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I’m sure they had 6 or 7 internationals in their squad, whereas we had around 3 (Kelly, Hodges, Deane). That’s where I base my ‘better squad’ statement on
(Although, give me a Mitch Ward or a Carl Bradshaw against half their ‘Internationals’ any day)
 
Whatever they construct to deal with the reality of the game, be it the levels of the squad, ownership issues, mismanagement, quality and age of player, or any number of other excuses, one thing remains.

They are our rivals, and that’s all that matters.

They beat us at Wembley, the history books don’t look at the levels of player each had available.

We beat them in the 2-4, again, the history books look at the score only as a metric.

They’ll always be our rivals, whether they’re weak or strong. Likewise if we are on the downward or upward spiral, it’s irrelevant.

All that matters is beating them, we know it, they know it.

It’s not like kicking a one armed child, as that would be unnecessary and implies that one is defenceless and being targeted.

It’s more like wanting to knock out the class bully who’s all mouth but rubbish in a fight.
 
Updemblades said:
I’m sure they had 6 or 7 internationals in their squad, whereas we had around 3 (Kelly, Hodges, Deane). That’s where I base my ‘better squad’ statement on
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Agreed. In terms of your main point questioning the idea they have that 1993 was their ‘great’ victory, I think that does fall down on the fact they lost the final. And I really doubt we’d have won it either. If it had led to them winning the FA Cup, or it had stopped us winning it, or stopped us getting to Wembley as semi-finals used to, then the result would have been more significant. As it was, it turned out to be a standalone disappointing moment, but there were no ramifications really. The truth is their scrambled 2-2 draw at the Lane in League 1 was probably the most significant result in terms of the impact it had later had. And the psychological damage of the 4-2 at theirs 6 year later turned that around in the opposite direction again.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
Our uncompetitive premier league seasons I genuinely can't remember the day that relegation was confirmed as it was coming. If it was at the hands of our local rivals I absolutely would remember that though.
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Even in those 2 uncompetitive seasons, we achieved 16 and 23 points.

Take away the pigs points deduction and they would be sitting on 1 win and 11 points... IN THE 2ND TIER!!

There are 38 games in the PL as opposed to 46 in the Championship. Our PPG in our last 2 relegations was 0.42 and 0.61.
Pigs are currently averaging 0.34 ppg... IN THE 2ND TIER !! - that's 16 points over a 46 game season.

They laughed at us stinking the PL out, yet they're stinking the Championship out worse than we ever did against World Class teams.

In the Covid season, we conceded 63 goals. Pigs have conceded 64 so far this seasons, on course for 92 conceded
 



100% part time blade said:
Agreed. In terms of your main point questioning the idea they have that 1993 was their ‘great’ victory, I think that does fall down on the fact they lost the final. And I really doubt we’d have won it either. If it had led to them winning the FA Cup, or it had stopped us winning it, or stopped us getting to Wembley as semi-finals used to, then the result would have been more significant. As it was, it turned out to be a standalone disappointing moment, but there were no ramifications really. The truth is their scrambled 2-2 draw at the Lane in League 1 was probably the most significant result in terms of the impact it had later had. And the psychological damage of the 4-2 at theirs 6 year later turned that around in the opposite direction again.
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Tbh mate I think my point went missing a while ago. What I was getting at in the first place was the fact that they put such a big play on beating us in that semi final, which they narrowly did, The fact they lost in the final Is irrelevant to the point I was getting at, really.

Our clubs were in opposite places back then (like they are now albeit to a different level) but it didn’t stop them lording it and Neither should we come Sunday if we send them down. That’s all I was getting at
 
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