Pre-match press conference

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If you listened to any of Wilder's interviews in pre-season and some of the players we've signed, there has been enough said to confirm that we weren't going to build a new squad/team this summer and that this merely part one of the rebuild, which will continue next season.

I do feel we have an imbalance to the team in the new 4-2-3-1 formation as it doesn't play to Hamer and O'Hare's strengths as a partnership as Hamer looks out of place on the left, despite his good return so far. We need a left winger coming in this season.

I'm not bothered about Slimane and Trusty leaving or the lack of replacements for them, as we have got adequate in their positions, but it's positions elsewhere that bothers me.

The lack of signings today, of true, suggests we put all of our eggs in one basket for targets that have gone elsewhere. However, this does also contradict what Wilder said recently when he spoke of any players leaving have already got replacements identified in the making. Clearly this is not the case unless he's referring to starting players like Anel, Hamer, Arblaster and Souza and not fringe players who don't need replacing.
 
Not ideal, but things can quickly change, who knows someone we can get might become available later today.

On the positive side, saying no outgoings (other than Slimane and Trusty) is good news as hopefully that puts some of peoples fears about Hamer and Arblaster to bed.
 
loyalblade95 said:
Not ideal, but things can quickly change, who knows someone we can get might become available later today.

On the positive side, saying no outgoings (other than Slimane and Trusty) is good news as hopefully that puts some of peoples fears about Hamer and Arblaster to bed.
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he didn’t say that exactly.. said other teams have the price they need to hit for other outgoings..
 
nopigfansintown said:
Epic clusterfuck. Who is running SUFC and why is there no new money despite all the sales, loan outs and minimal outlay? Are we getting teed up for a Arblaster/Hamer sale. With the status quo do we have a choice? We need 3-5 players.
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We've spent all of the money that we've made so far. It's gone on transfer fees, loan fees, wages, signing on fees, agents fees.

You've also got to remember that fees received are paid over the length of the players contract, so that has to be factored into the budget too. You don't get it in a lump sum anymore. If you did then transfer fees would drop and English football would be a lot more responsible financially and easier to regulate. If you haven't got the money then you can't spend it. Like it used to be.

£10mil for Osula over a 5 year contract is £2mil per year. We bought Burrows for £3.5mil on a 4 year deal, so we owe Peterborough £875k per season, leaving us with £1.125mil profit per season. If he's on £10k per week then that's £2mil in wages over the four years. That's another £520k gone from the remaining Osula profit from season one of the contracts to pay for Burrows wages, and that doesn't include signing on fees, agents fees etc. The money dissappears quickly.

So it's not all that simple. A £10mil fee for Osula barely covers the £3.5mil for Burrows when you factor everything else in the grand scheme. Arguably we'll have some residual funds for Burrows in this example from Osula's wages at Sheffield United and we also don't know if Burrows is on £10k per week. This was just used as an example.
 
Listened to it in full. Interesting at the end he thanked the journos for not being too hard on him and then told SUTV to turn the link off so suspect some off the record comments going on.

CW said its his job to push for recruitment but he accepts he will not always get what he wants. Implies there has been some rug pulling going on after last weeks " their are replacements lined up if we lose anyone."

Said our players have prices but offers have not met these. Mentioned again those up the road, not by name( Weeds Scum) saying they were low balling us with the offer for Hamer. He talked up the big 3 Anel, Souza and Hamer with regard to their professional attitude. Anel played on Tuesday after being ill in bed for 6 days.

All the remaining squad were "all in" unlike the 2 who had left. Scathing about Slimane refusing to play at 4.30 on Tuesday less so about Trusty who said he wanted to go to Celtic.

Souttar and Moore are big presences in the dressing room and will help the 4 youngsters who have been promoted to the first team squad in addition to Brooks and Arblaster, presumably Marsh, Peck, Sereki and Hampson?

Sounded positive moving forward although he has little alternative as I suspect he was hoping some of Trustys fee could be spent today.
 

Addison said:
Souttar and Moore are big presences in the dressing room and will help the 4 youngsters who have been promoted to the first team squad in addition to Brooks and Arblaster, presumably Marsh, Peck, Sereki and Hampson?

Sounded positive moving forward although he has little alternative as I suspect he was hoping some of Trustys fee could be spent today.
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Funny thing about playing youngsters, when you have ones like Marsh and Hampson who struggled against Barnsley, playing them in short cameos with several first team players around them might make them play better than they would when surrounded by similar players.

Let's say for example, we gave Marsh ten minutes against Watford with Brooks, Hamer and Moore around him, it might work because those three players could help him through the game, giving him advice on where to move and when to press etc.
 
Addison said:
Listened to it in full. Interesting at the end he thanked the journos for not being too hard on him and then told SUTV to turn the link off so suspect some off the record comments going on.

CW said its his job to push for recruitment but he accepts he will not always get what he wants. Implies there has been some rug pulling going on after last weeks " their are replacements lined up if we lose anyone."

Said our players have prices but offers have not met these. Mentioned again those up the road, not by name( Weeds Scum) saying they were low balling us with the offer for Hamer. He talked up the big 3 Anel, Souza and Hamer with regard to their professional attitude. Anel played on Tuesday after being ill in bed for 6 days.

All the remaining squad were "all in" unlike the 2 who had left. Scathing about Slimane refusing to play at 4.30 on Tuesday less so about Trusty who said he wanted to go to Celtic.

Souttar and Moore are big presences in the dressing room and will help the 4 youngsters who have been promoted to the first team squad in addition to Brooks and Arblaster, presumably Marsh, Peck, Sereki and Hampson?

Sounded positive moving forward although he has little alternative as I suspect he was hoping some of Trustys fee could be spent today.
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“Rug pulling”

By who the selling club or our owner(s) ?
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
We've spent all of the money that we've made so far. It's gone on transfer fees, loan fees, wages, signing on fees, agents fees.

You've also got to remember that fees received are paid over the length of the players contract, so that has to be factored into the budget too. You don't get it in a lump sum anymore. If you did then transfer fees would drop and English football would be a lot more responsible financially and easier to regulate. If you haven't got the money then you can't spend it. Like it used to be.

£10mil for Osula over a 5 year contract is £2mil per year. We bought Burrows for £3.5mil on a 4 year deal, so we owe Peterborough £875k per season, leaving us with £1.125mil profit per season. If he's on £10k per week then that's £2mil in wages over the four years. That's another £520k gone from the remaining Osula profit from season one of the contracts to pay for Burrows wages, and that doesn't include signing on fees, agents fees etc. The money dissappears quickly.

So it's not all that simple. A £10mil fee for Osula barely covers the £3.5mil for Burrows when you factor everything else in the grand scheme. Arguably we'll have some residual funds for Burrows in this example from Osula's wages at Sheffield United and we also don't know if Burrows is on £10k per week. This was just used as an example.
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Don't let common sense and grown up thinking get in the way. That's not how things are done round here!
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
We've spent all of the money that we've made so far. It's gone on transfer fees, loan fees, wages, signing on fees, agents fees.

You've also got to remember that fees received are paid over the length of the players contract, so that has to be factored into the budget too. You don't get it in a lump sum anymore.
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I don't get this at all, the sale price and length of contract are surely not related.
Once a price has been agreed with the selling club, they have no say in the length of contract and wages that are offered to the player.
 
Norwood's 6 iron said:
I don't get this at all, the sale price and length of contract are surely not related.
Once a price has been agreed with the selling club, they have no say in the length of contract and wages that are offered to the player.
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Unfortunately it is the way it works these days and it is what happens. It's why football is a mess and for a while there were teams like Man City buying players on 8 year contracts to lower their outgoings so that they avoided FFP punishments.

Buy a player for £80mil on a 3 three year contract and you owe £26.6mil for the next 3 seasons. Your accounts look bad for each year. Sign him on an 8 year contract and you only owe £10mil for the next 8 seasons. Thankfully this has now been stamped out.

It's over complicated things and allows teams to spend what they haven't got as the accounts won't show the bigger picture.
 
Norwood's 6 iron said:
I don't get this at all, the sale price and length of contract are surely not related.
Once a price has been agreed with the selling club, they have no say in the length of contract and wages that are offered to the player.
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On contrary, it's a pretty rudimentary principle of finance and asset mgmt. It's how transfer fees are negotiated and why it's not as simple as us fans believe.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
We've spent all of the money that we've made so far. It's gone on transfer fees, loan fees, wages, signing on fees, agents fees.

You've also got to remember that fees received are paid over the length of the players contract, so that has to be factored into the budget too. You don't get it in a lump sum anymore. If you did then transfer fees would drop and English football would be a lot more responsible financially and easier to regulate. If you haven't got the money then you can't spend it. Like it used to be.

£10mil for Osula over a 5 year contract is £2mil per year. We bought Burrows for £3.5mil on a 4 year deal, so we owe Peterborough £875k per season, leaving us with £1.125mil profit per season. If he's on £10k per week then that's £2mil in wages over the four years. That's another £520k gone from the remaining Osula profit from season one of the contracts to pay for Burrows wages, and that doesn't include signing on fees, agents fees etc. The money dissappears quickly.

So it's not all that simple. A £10mil fee for Osula barely covers the £3.5mil for Burrows when you factor everything else in the grand scheme. Arguably we'll have some residual funds for Burrows in this example from Osula's wages at Sheffield United and we also don't know if Burrows is on £10k per week. This was just used as an example.
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All true Tony, but remember, we receive fees in instalments, we pay out fees in instalments. It’s not one way traffic
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
We've spent all of the money that we've made so far. It's gone on transfer fees, loan fees, wages, signing on fees, agents fees.
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Can't see that. We've netted £15 million and got rid of 20 off the wage bill and brought in 10 unless we are paying some f*cking huge wages all of a sudden.
 
Railway Blade said:
Can't see that. We've netted £15 million and got rid of 20 off the wage bill and brought in 10 unless we are paying some f*cking huge wages all of a sudden.
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Souttar and Gilchrist won't be cheap plus we extended some contracts last season and renewed some this summer. You've also not allowed for the wage bill cash flow reducing due to relegation, so we have less money to pay the remainder with compared to last season, even with reduced wages.
 
Blade58 said:
All true Tony, but remember, we receive fees in instalments, we pay out fees in instalments. It’s not one way traffic
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I've covered that in my Osula/Burrows example.

It's again where contract length can bite you in the arse. If you sell a player and he signs a 5 year deal, but you sign a replacement on a 3 year deal, you can end up worse off in terms of finances despite receiving more than you're spending.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
Souttar and Gilchrist won't be cheap plus we extended some contracts last season and renewed some this summer. You've also not allowed for the wage bill cash flow reducing due to relegation, so we have less money to pay the remainder with compared to last season, even with reduced wages.
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I kind of factored that into the fact we got over 100 million in TV money last year and spent about 25 million of it, whereas Burnley spent most of it. Also the 45 million in parachute payments this year and we've spent - £15 million .
 
Gotta love him 🤣

"I thought at the top of the pitch [v Norwich] we need to be a little bit better in our creative phase but for me when you ask players to improve and wanting to coach them, from the previous week where we were open against QPR, we weren't open against Norwich and we still got in to those same positions. It's like pulling a duvet up, you sometimes want to cover your chin and keep your feet exposed and then your feet get a little bit cold. It's trying to get that balance."
 

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