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Can't help feeling a bit sad for Morgan.

Only a day or two ago he was odds on to get the job. Now Weir comes in over him and he is demoted. He has failed. He had a chance and lost it.

It is terrible for anyone in this situation, self inflicted or otherwise. I wonder in time if his position will become untenable?

I would not be surprised to see him take a managers job in a division below to prove himself.

Time to move on I suppose.

HH
 



I thought that myself.
If Morgan has any desire to be a manager then he will have to move on himself.
 
He was in the wrong place at the wrong time last season. He could have hung around with a new manager and gained further experience, the problem now being that he would be behind someone with less experience !

Wouldn't be surprised to see him move on, either to a lower league management post or as No.2 to a more experienced manager if the situation arises.
 
Hartley Hare said:
Can't help feeling a bit sad for Morgan.

Only a day or two ago he was odds on to get the job. Now Weir comes in over him and he is demoted. He has failed. He had a chance and lost it.

It is terrible for anyone in this situation, self inflicted or otherwise. I wonder in time if his position will become untenable?

I would not be surprised to see him take a managers job in a division below to prove himself.

Time to move on I suppose.

HH
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The win percentage while he was in charge quite simply wasnt good enough for him to get the job
 
Hartley Hare said:
Can't help feeling a bit sad for Morgan.

Only a day or two ago he was odds on to get the job. Now Weir comes in over him and he is demoted. He has failed. He had a chance and lost it.

It is terrible for anyone in this situation, self inflicted or otherwise. I wonder in time if his position will become untenable?

I would not be surprised to see him take a managers job in a division below to prove himself.

Time to move on I suppose.

HH
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I feel sorry for him to the extent that he was thrown into a job he clearly wasn't ready for because of a panic decision by McCabe et al.

Conversley, that means I don't feel sorry for him for not getting a job that he clearly wasn't up to in the same way that I don't feel sorry for myself because I am not Lord Chief Justice.
 
He will have learned a hard lesson ,especially in after match interviews which alienated him from the support and could have cost him the position. Misplaced loyalty to the players is good if they are your players but they were more like workmates to him and he has to distance himself now. I hope he stays.
 
He may go back to the development squad. Depends on what was agreed at the start I suppose.
 
The man was put into an impossible situation by a very bad decision at that time of the season.
Morgs must have thought he could achieve something with the same players that had not been achieved before.
It was such a stupid decision to remove Wilson at that time and now imho they have not helped Morgs in any way and have possibly set him back.
I was very surprised that Morgs accepted the job in the first place under the circumstances appertaining at that time.
Surely only those with rose coloured specs on expected Morgs to do anything that Wilson failed to do.
Time to put it all behind us and hope that Wier can convert an excellent playing career into a mangerial one.
Weir are Blades
 
Kentblade said:
The man was put into an impossible situation by a very bad decision at that time of the season.
Morgs must have thought he could achieve something with the same players that had not been achieved before.
It was such a stupid decision to remove Wilson at that time and now imho they have not helped Morgs in any way and have possibly set him back.
I was very surprised that Morgs accepted the job in the first place under the circumstances appertaining at that time.
Surely only those with rose coloured specs on expected Morgs to do anything that Wilson failed to do.
Time to put it all behind us and hope that Wier can convert an excellent playing career into a mangerial one.
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I thought it was the right decision to make use of Morgs at that time. We got rid of Wilson two years too late - he should never have been here in the first place but that's old ground and thankfully in the past.

If we had employed what was to be our long term manager at that point we would have got someone like Downes, Page, Wilder, etc [all those who were discussed on here and left people with a heavy heart] due to the timescale involved.

The squad would have performed as poorly as the did for Morgs and the fans would be sat here now split on opinions as to what we should do as a club and so much shite would be offered to the manager. There would not be any feel good factor at all.

As you say it's time to put a lot of shite behind us and hope that Weir can convert an excellent playing career into a managerial one. We now have hope, some direction and we can only feel that way because Morgs stuck his head on the block for us and we should remember that.
 
The problem with all competitions, there are winners and losers, he lost. He's a top bloke, but clearly showed he has a lot to learn yet. After a set back, you learn the lessons and move forward.
 
Morgan never had a hope of getting the job, it took ages for McCabe to find a new Manager with the initials DW so he wouldn't have to buy a new set of kit.

Savings made already!
 
Can't say I feel sorry for him, he's still got a job that pays a good deal more than I get and he should have learnt from the experience. I don't think he has damaged his reputation long term, he was put into a pretty Impossible position and surely no-one blames him for what happened do they?
 
Paulus said:
Can't say I feel sorry for him, he's still got a job that pays a good deal more than I get and he should have learnt from the experience. I don't think he has damaged his reputation long term, he was put into a pretty Impossible position and surely no-one blames him for what happened do they?
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No, but it's not a case of blame. He's done absolutely nothing to show he has what it takes to be a manager. Lack of a negative does not equal a positive. He was a good (not great) player for this club who was given a coaching role for no other reason than to save money - no different to Cresswell. Lets not suddenly designate him for future greatness simply because his recent failure was not really his fault. Whatever the mitigation, he didn't do very well and didn't look the part. Contrast the confident professional with a vision who just walked into our club. There's a big difference.
 



I don't go along with the poor old Morgs rubbish.

Unfortunately, IMO, he was responsible for his own downfall.

The rights and wrongs of the decision to get rid of Wilson when we did has been debated and each person has his view, but Morgs could have declined the offer to take over. He himself accepted the task, I would imagine on the basis that he thought he could do it.

Quite quickly he showed he wasn't the manager to take us forward into the new era we all crave and If, as has been reported, the interviewing commitee used the Yeovil game to pose what would you have done differently scenarios then that alone shows he was not in their thinking.

The shambles of the Yeovil away leg, showed me he's not ready yet, if at all. The inability to try something as simple as swapping the wide players so they were on the "correct" side followed by the post match interview told me everything. TBH I expected more given his character as a player.

He may or may not make a good manager, I doubt it will be with us though and to be quite honest I could'nt care less.

Bollox to sentimentality.
 
Morgan for me is the last link to everything that was wrong about SUFC from the end of the Warnock era, physical, brash, muck n nettles, granite, coal face....use whichever adjective you like but it's an image we have held for a long time, going right back to the Basset days and an image that would have been bought right back if Morgan had been named boss.

He looked totally out of his depthe for the few games he was in charge and I would have been genuinely worried about next season if he had been given the job.

I don't do the sentimental thing either with Morgan, a very average player who probably cost us more points than anyone else in the Premiership year. Some will say he has been "loyal" I would say he has done bloody well out of us, can anyone actually recall another club showing an interest in him...?

He may do well with the kids and possibly deserves that chance but otherwise, thanks for trying Chris, see ya around.
 
Poor old Morgan? The guy had 5 games to get us promoted. He failed. Back to coaching Morgs, you'll get 6 games next time
 
Some people have got a fucking short memory.

If you think you can make a judgement call on Chris Morgan's managerial ability based on his tenure last year than you are seriously deluded. How many games was he in charge for, 5 ?

Was it his side ?

Was it he who decided to sack Wilson ?

He was PUT in the impossible situation, by the chairman, of being asked to do a short term job while a permanent solution was sought. Would you command him more respect if he had told the chairman to do one ?

The guy bleeds red white and black, gave us the best years of his career, and let us never forget that he blew his own playing career to fight for the Blades cause one afternoon vs Coventry by playing (stupidly) on for 70 minutes with a cruciate injury. How many "heros" do you know would put so much on the line ?

At the very least, the guy deserves our respect for what he has done for this club, and his dedication to the Blades cause over the last decade or so. Whether or not he turns in to a good or bad manager / coach remains to be seen.

Get a fucking grip.
 
Yes, I make my judgement call on his managerial ability based on what he did display over the 7 games he was in charge. Whereas you give the impression he should be our manager because he's been loyal to the club and carried on playing when he shouldn't have done. That's a good reason if ever I read one. o_O

If this isn't the case then please enlighten me with what you've seen in him that makes you think he would make a good go of it next season?

No it wasn't his side, but do you feel that there is much scope to change it significantly for it to be classed as "his" side? I don't and he's already shown what he can do with the current lot. As I said, previously, doing something as simple as switching the wide players to the "correct" side would have at least shown something, that combined with the post match interview... thanks but no thanks Chris.

I never said I didn't respect him, but IMO he should have told the chairman no thanks, unless he thought he could do it in which case he failed.

I feel whether he was playing for us or for someone else he would have played on, he's that kind of character you get them in life at the other end of the scale you get players like Darren Anderton and Jonathan Woodgate.
 
If he does stay it'll be a diluted role compared to last year by the sounds of it, as Weir has already said he wants to bring two people in, not just an assistant.

I have a lot of respect for Morgan - of those that have captained us in the years since I became a fan he's probably up there with Holdsworth as who I'd consider our best captain. And regardless of the poor games that followed, that first game against Swindon was one of the best performances I've seen at the Lane in years. The fact he couldn't repeat it is a sign of his inexperience or lack of ability as a manager. The fact he gave us that performance to start with though suggests he might have a career in management elsewhere. There was a huge amount wrong with that team that he was (harshly) expected to put right in a handful of games when his highly-experienced predecessor clearly couldn't. I wouldn't right him completely off just because he failed to properly polish the turd he was handed.
 
HoodedClaw said:
Yes, I make my judgement call on his managerial ability based on what he did display over the 7 games he was in charge. Whereas you give the impression he should be our manager because he's been loyal to the club and carried on playing when he shouldn't have done. That's a good reason if ever I read one. o_O

If this isn't the case then please enlighten me with what you've seen in him that makes you think he would make a good go of it next season?

No it wasn't his side, but do you feel that there is much scope to change it significantly for it to be classed as "his" side? I don't and he's already shown what he can do with the current lot. As I said, previously, doing something as simple as switching the wide players to the "correct" side would have at least shown something, that combined with the post match interview... thanks but no thanks Chris.

I never said I didn't respect him, but IMO he should have told the chairman no thanks, unless he thought he could do it in which case he failed.

I feel whether he was playing for us or for someone else he would have played on, he's that kind of character you get them in life at the other end of the scale you get players like Darren Anderton and Jonathan Woodgate.
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Which bit of "Whether or not he turns in to a good or bad manager / coach remains to be seen" did you not understand then ? Where exactly did I suggest he should get the job ?

Just think that, for all the reasons given and many more, the guy deserves our respect and should be immune (for the time being at least) from any critisism for the 5 / 7 games he had in charge.

Had he had 2 years + in charge and still not done it, then feel free to have a go.

No wonder clubs across the land sack their managers after an average of 15 months with the short sighted nature of the fans.

If Weir has a bad start, will we be after his head as well ??
 
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No wonder clubs across the land sack their managers after an average of 15 months with the short sighted nature of the fans.

If Weir has a bad start, will we be after his head as well ??
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I think I can safely say, yes! Despite the rhetoric and almost universally positive response to this appointment, if we're 10th after 10 games there will be shouts for a change!
 
DronnieBlade said:
Which bit of "Whether or not he turns in to a good or bad manager / coach remains to be seen" did you not understand then ? Where exactly did I suggest he should get the job ?

Just think that, for all the reasons given and many more, the guy deserves our respect and should be immune (for the time being at least) from any critisism for the 5 / 7 games he had in charge.

Had he had 2 years + in charge and still not done it, then feel free to have a go.

No wonder clubs across the land sack their managers after an average of 15 months with the short sighted nature of the fans.

If Weir has a bad start, will we be after his head as well ??
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You're entitled to your opinion, personally I feel that once he made the choice to take the job on coupled with how the displays degraded and the post match interview at Yeovil, he is more than a fair target for a bit of constructive criticism.

Regarding if Weir has a bad start will we be after his head, I'm certain there will be sections that will.

I personally won't, but I will still offer constructive criticism, as he is already one up on Morgs by not being a Bladey Blade.

It was time to try something new and to stop looking back and repeating mistakes, but thats just my view.

There's a poll on here regarding what is the expectation for next season, I'm interested in how those that have voted for promotion will react to Weir if we don't get it.

Are us fans wrong the majority of the time when calling for a manager to go? Since and including Robson, I think we've been right with our views regarding our managers. This is also why I'm feeling optimistic about Weir, we all seem pretty United by his appointment and that's a refreshing change.
 
I wish i was a quid behind 'Poor old Morgan'.
I also wish that I could be given the oportunity to do a better higher paid job knowing full well that if it didn't work out I could still have my old job back.
 
From what I saw close hand from the Yeovil games neither Morgs or "Rhino" had any idea on how to influence or change the game in a positive manner. They both looked like fish out of water and I'm pleased as punch that they won't be anywhere near the front line.
 
Get the fucking dingle two hat out of our club as quick as possible. Limited player and terrible manager. Less tactical nouss than Kevin Keegan. It was embarrassing when he took over. He looked like a rabbit in the headlines. For such a hard man, he looked like a lost little boy. Worse than Speed when he was in charge.

Morgan showed enough in 5 games for me to say that he will never be a good manager. Add to that the terrible season for the reserves and youth teams and you can see it is not in him. He took over a team that was playing brilliantly under Pembo and turned them into a clueless bunch of hoof merchants over night. In terms of the first team, we all thought that it could not get worse than that fateful night under Crawley for Wilson. Well step forward Morgs.

I cannot understand this Morgan legend stuff. He was a severely limited player. He did ok under Warnock's kick and rush stuff, but his stopper style (deck em) centre half stuff quickly became outdated. He was lucky he got carried for years by Jags and I always thought that Short was better when we got promoted for example. From the Prem, as captain, he oversaw 2 relegations and retired when we were in a right state.

The bloke is a thug and a disgrace to SUFC. He wants to put his flat cap on, grab his whippet and take his pigeons
back to Scargill country. Morgan - you have had your team here, nar fook off.
 
Ollessendro said:
Get the fucking dingle two hat out of our club as quick as possible. Limited player and terrible manager. Less tactical nouss than Kevin Keegan. It was embarrassing when he took over. He looked like a rabbit in the headlines. For such a hard man, he looked like a lost little boy. Worse than Speed when he was in charge.

Morgan showed enough in 5 games for me to say that he will never be a good manager. Add to that the terrible season for the reserves and youth teams and you can see it is not in him. He took over a team that was playing brilliantly under Pembo and turned them into a clueless bunch of hoof merchants over night. In terms of the first team, we all thought that it could not get worse than that fateful night under Crawley for Wilson. Well step forward Morgs.

I cannot understand this Morgan legend stuff. He was a severely limited player. He did ok under Warnock's kick and rush stuff, but his stopper style (deck em) centre half stuff quickly became outdated. He was lucky he got carried for years by Jags and I always thought that Short was better when we got promoted for example. From the Prem, as captain, he oversaw 2 relegations and retired when we were in a right state.

The bloke is a thug and a disgrace to SUFC. He wants to put his flat cap on, grab his whippet and take his pigeons
back to Scargill country. Morgan - you have had your team here, nar fook off.
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Alright humeie.

Ows yer napper :)
 
Ollessendro said:
Get the fucking dingle two hat out of our club as quick as possible. Limited player and terrible manager. Less tactical nouss than Kevin Keegan. It was embarrassing when he took over. He looked like a rabbit in the headlines. For such a hard man, he looked like a lost little boy. Worse than Speed when he was in charge.

Morgan showed enough in 5 games for me to say that he will never be a good manager. Add to that the terrible season for the reserves and youth teams and you can see it is not in him. He took over a team that was playing brilliantly under Pembo and turned them into a clueless bunch of hoof merchants over night. In terms of the first team, we all thought that it could not get worse than that fateful night under Crawley for Wilson. Well step forward Morgs.

I cannot understand this Morgan legend stuff. He was a severely limited player. He did ok under Warnock's kick and rush stuff, but his stopper style (deck em) centre half stuff quickly became outdated. He was lucky he got carried for years by Jags and I always thought that Short was better when we got promoted for example. From the Prem, as captain, he oversaw 2 relegations and retired when we were in a right state.

The bloke is a thug and a disgrace to SUFC. He wants to put his flat cap on, grab his whippet and take his pigeons
back to Scargill country. Morgan - you have had your team here, nar fook off.
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Say what you mean oli lol.

All i will say is now is not the time to be sentimental..

Its time for a culture change in the club apparently?
 



Ollessendro said:
Get the fucking dingle two hat out of our club as quick as possible. Limited player and terrible manager. Less tactical nouss than Kevin Keegan. It was embarrassing when he took over. He looked like a rabbit in the headlines. For such a hard man, he looked like a lost little boy. Worse than Speed when he was in charge.

Morgan showed enough in 5 games for me to say that he will never be a good manager. Add to that the terrible season for the reserves and youth teams and you can see it is not in him. He took over a team that was playing brilliantly under Pembo and turned them into a clueless bunch of hoof merchants over night. In terms of the first team, we all thought that it could not get worse than that fateful night under Crawley for Wilson. Well step forward Morgs.

I cannot understand this Morgan legend stuff. He was a severely limited player. He did ok under Warnock's kick and rush stuff, but his stopper style (deck em) centre half stuff quickly became outdated. He was lucky he got carried for years by Jags and I always thought that Short was better when we got promoted for example. From the Prem, as captain, he oversaw 2 relegations and retired when we were in a right state.

The bloke is a thug and a disgrace to SUFC. He wants to put his flat cap on, grab his whippet and take his pigeons
back to Scargill country. Morgan - you have had your team here, nar fook off.
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:eek::D
 
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