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On occasions there's been players who've shown some promise, but still haven't got a run in the first team.

The 'promise' may have been shown in the reserves, the youth team, in an odd outing for the first team, or there may just have been some hope due to their background.

Looking back it may have been good reasons for not playing them. Off the field issues, attitude, professionalism, injuries. And maybe they weren't that good after all?

But still, at the time, you wanted the player to at least get on the pitch and fail, before reluctantly deciding to agree with the manager who never picked him.



Simon Francis - Looked promising when he first arrived. A tall, elegant right back who liked to attack. The following season we played Andy Liddell at right wing. Liddell was a great crosser, but couldn't dribble and was crying out for an attacking right back to support him. Francis seemed perfect for it, but Warnock never picked him and he later moved to Southend. In the end Francis ended up being a regular in the Premier League, so clearly had the ability. He later admitted his attitude was poor when he was at United.

Ian Ross - A youngster who reserve and youth team watchers said was going to be brilliant. Was he a youth international as well? I really wanted to see him get a chance. When Michael Brown left it was said his replacement was already at the club, and most thought this was Ross. I don't think it was ever confirmed? Was it Warnock's quote? Anyway Ross only appeared in a couple of cup games for us and didn't do much later in his career.

Ismaila Coulibaly - did well in Norway, and in his first loan spell in Belgium. Seemed to stay for years without playing and then he suddenly got a start, playing really well against Tottenham. At that point I wanted to see more of him, but again he disappeared. A couple of seasons later he was put in the team, but looked too nervous and was poor. Five years after signing, he left, having only started some cup games.

Nathan Thomas - Two starts for us, two goals! His career suggests it wasn't a record he would have been able to keep up, but still...

Nils Zätterström - A young full international for Sweden signed and then moved on before he's played a minute for us? Strange!

Louie Marsh - As impressive and dominant as the likes of Arblaster, Peck, Brooks and Seriki in our youth teams, the club has not prioritised blooding him in the first team. Will he get another chance or has he already been written off?



Who's got more to mention?
 



Jonas Wirmola – I saw less of us live that season, but recalled an excellent debut against Wimbledon and then he sort of drifted into obscurity. Was he injured? Seemed to go on to have a decent number of years at Malmo.

Jon O’Connor – was it the Hutchison deal he was part of? Think he barely played that first season (fair enough given the decent options at CB/RB), but thought when he came in briefly the following season post-Bruce retirement he looked fairly tidy on the right of the back 3 when we were really short of options. Don’t think he started more than a handful of games in the end.

Jon Cullen – he’d arrived with an impressive goal record from midfield, but at a time we were buying up all sorts in that Spackman season. I can’t remember any of his appearances. I’ve heard he was Axel Smeets level awful, but would have been good to have seen more. Feels like the Nathan Thomas of his era.

Colin Cryan – think he came through at a time when we (and the game in general) were all about big physical centre-backs, but I seem to remember him as a youngster that looked steady in reading the game and tidy on the ball. Not sure he ever started for us, and was a bit on the short side to be given a go. I wonder whether had the likes of him and Ross come through ten years later they might have had more of a chance at making it – or at least ended up having the sort of career Reed and Broadbent went on to have rather than disappearing out of the EFL.
 
On occasions there's been players who've shown some promise, but still haven't got a run in the first team.

The 'promise' may have been shown in the reserves, the youth team, in an odd outing for the first team, or there may just have been some hope due to their background.

Looking back it may have been good reasons for not playing them. Off the field issues, attitude, professionalism, injuries. And maybe they weren't that good after all?

But still, at the time, you wanted the player to at least get on the pitch and fail, before reluctantly deciding to agree with the manager who never picked him.



Simon Francis - Looked promising when he first arrived. A tall, elegant right back who liked to attack. The following season we played Andy Liddell at right wing. Liddell was a great crosser, but couldn't dribble and was crying out for an attacking right back to support him. Francis seemed perfect for it, but Warnock never picked him and he later moved to Southend. In the end Francis ended up being a regular in the Premier League, so clearly had the ability. He later admitted his attitude was poor when he was at United.

Ian Ross - A youngster who reserve and youth team watchers said was going to be brilliant. Was he a youth international as well? I really wanted to see him get a chance. When Michael Brown left it was said his replacement was already at the club, and most thought this was Ross. I don't think it was ever confirmed? Was it Warnock's quote? Anyway Ross only appeared in a couple of cup games for us and didn't do much later in his career.

Ismaila Coulibaly - did well in Norway, and in his first loan spell in Belgium. Seemed to stay for years without playing and then he suddenly got a start, playing really well against Tottenham. At that point I wanted to see more of him, but again he disappeared. A couple of seasons later he was put in the team, but looked too nervous and was poor. Five years after signing, he left, having only started some cup games.

Nathan Thomas - Two starts for us, two goals! His career suggests it wasn't a record he would have been able to keep up, but still...

Nils Zätterström - A young full international for Sweden signed and then moved on before he's played a minute for us? Strange!

Louie Marsh - As impressive and dominant as the likes of Arblaster, Peck, Brooks and Seriki in our youth teams, the club has not prioritised blooding him in the first team. Will he get another chance or has he already been written off?



Who's got more to mention?
Hold out hope for Louis Marsh - only 21, loan at Falkirk started well and hopefully continues his development - would benefit from us staying in the Champ a couple of years. I think he's been unlucky with injury and also the fact the likes of Jebbison, Osula, One are/were all physically more impressive than him and thus more likely to withstand mens football. I also think he's not quite a striker, not quite a midfielder - probably more of a McGoldrick if anything.

Coulibaly I always thought looked far too unco-oridinated to make it - a concern that I also have with Soumare (as much as I enjoy the hilarity of his performances)
 
I watched a lot of Richard Lucas (left back) in reserve games, and thought he could make the grade. Didn't ever get a spot, probably lacked the physicality.

Also, Mike Lake, he had that golden few months, but it was clearly a flash in the pan.
 
Like you Bergen I think opportunity has a big say with young players and sometimes they only get one.
Ian Ross was a strange one he looked a great player in the making! He scored a great goal in a youth cuptie at Bramall Lane! a shot from around thirty yards which he looked up ! Not just a long distance dig which sometimes goes in.
Last time I saw anything like it was Alan Woodward who was a similar age and continued to do it throughout his career.
Ian Ross lost his dad soon after! Now whether that had anything to do with him falling away but! I gathered it had a detrimental effect on him which is a shame as he looked a real attacking midfielder.
 
Billy Sharp, first time around. Scored for fun on loan at Rushden & Diamonds, but Warnock didn't fancy him and instead signed a load of journeyman strikers instead. Went on to score for fun for Scunny instead.

I remember the season when we played both James Beattie and Billy Sharp up front.
It was sad to see because Sharp was often playing on the left wing, where as Beattie was ALWAYS the point of attack.

Remember a few times Sharp trying a shot and missed, then Beattie would be waving his arms clearly angered that he didn’t receive the pass.

If I was at one of the ex players meet and greet shows at the City Hall.
Then I’d be asking Sharp about his relationship with Beattie, because JB was the golden boy and our tactics were based on helping him score,
 
Jake Eastwood.

He'd have been spared about 10 years warming up all the other keepers we've had if we'd have either given him a bit more of a go or cut him loose sooner.

Seems to be doing alright in a decent Cambridge side in League Two but the guy is 30 this year!

Over a third of his total senior appearances have been made this season which makes you think what could have been for him if he was regularly playing at that level 5 years ago instead of putting the cones out for Wes and Grbic.
 
Jake Eastwood.

He'd have been spared about 10 years warming up all the other keepers we've had if we'd have either given him a bit more of a go or cut him loose sooner.

Seems to be doing alright in a decent Cambridge side in League Two but the guy is 30 this year!

Over a third of his total senior appearances have been made this season which makes you think what could have been for him if he was regularly playing at that level 5 years ago instead of putting the cones out for Wes and Grbic.
He was on our books as a pro for 7 years whilst playing just 17 minutes in league games (as sub when Simon Moore was sent off at Wolves in Feb 2018).

That must be a club record of sorts...
 
Jonas Wirmola – I saw less of us live that season, but recalled an excellent debut against Wimbledon and then he sort of drifted into obscurity. Was he injured? Seemed to go on to have a decent number of years at Malmo.

Jon O’Connor – was it the Hutchison deal he was part of? Think he barely played that first season (fair enough given the decent options at CB/RB), but thought when he came in briefly the following season post-Bruce retirement he looked fairly tidy on the right of the back 3 when we were really short of options. Don’t think he started more than a handful of games in the end.

Jon Cullen – he’d arrived with an impressive goal record from midfield, but at a time we were buying up all sorts in that Spackman season. I can’t remember any of his appearances. I’ve heard he was Axel Smeets level awful, but would have been good to have seen more. Feels like the Nathan Thomas of his era.

Colin Cryan – think he came through at a time when we (and the game in general) were all about big physical centre-backs, but I seem to remember him as a youngster that looked steady in reading the game and tidy on the ball. Not sure he ever started for us, and was a bit on the short side to be given a go. I wonder whether had the likes of him and Ross come through ten years later they might have had more of a chance at making it – or at least ended up having the sort of career Reed and Broadbent went on to have rather than disappearing out of the EFL.
Distinctly remember Cullen. He’d never played in front of such large crowds. He was a Rabbit in the headlights awful. Bottled it and never recovered.
 
I remember the season when we played both James Beattie and Billy Sharp up front.
It was sad to see because Sharp was often playing on the left wing, where as Beattie was ALWAYS the point of attack.

Remember a few times Sharp trying a shot and missed, then Beattie would be waving his arms clearly angered that he didn’t receive the pass.

If I was at one of the ex players meet and greet shows at the City Hall.
Then I’d be asking Sharp about his relationship with Beattie, because JB was the golden boy and our tactics were based on helping him score,
One issue with that is Beattie was objectively brilliant that season (unplayable at times), so it's hard to argue against setting up a team to suit his strengths.

The bigger issue is Bryan Robson's inept management. Surely there was a formation to suit both Beattie and Sharp. Billy's played with strike partners before to great effect, but always as the player most advanced. What you shouldn't do with Billy is play him out on the left wing when his whole game is about goals and finishing. Playing him wide just heaped more and more pressure on him as he went longer without scoring. A better idea would be to play a left winger on the left wing, and a quality striker up front.
 



One issue with that is Beattie was objectively brilliant that season (unplayable at times), so it's hard to argue against setting up a team to suit his strengths.

The bigger issue is Bryan Robson's inept management. Surely there was a formation to suit both Beattie and Sharp. Billy's played with strike partners before to great effect, but always as the player most advanced. What you shouldn't do with Billy is play him out on the left wing when his whole game is about goals and finishing. Playing him wide just heaped more and more pressure on him as he went longer without scoring. A better idea would be to play a left winger on the left wing, and a quality striker up front.
Was Sharp played on the wing in 07/08? I can't remember that being a discussion at the time. No doubt Beattie was the main man, but we had other players playing left wing that season - S.Quinn, Armstrong, Carney, Lee Martin. I've had a look at the lineups and it makes no sense that Sharp's position was left midfield with the teams we played, usually in a 4-4-2 under both Robson and Blackwell.
 
Was Sharp played on the wing in 07/08? I can't remember that being a discussion at the time. No doubt Beattie was the main man, but we had other players playing left wing that season - S.Quinn, Armstrong, Carney, Lee Martin. I've had a look at the lineups and it makes no sense that Sharp's position was left midfield with the teams we played, usually in a 4-4-2 under both Robson and Blackwell.
Might be a phantom memory then, but like Sheffsteel I thought he was often found out wide during this period. Unless he was just dropping deep or moving out of position to find the ball because he was struggling for goals.
 
Michael Boulding was bundled out with unseemly haste.

De Juve.
I think Boulding went back to playing Tennis for a few years and then went back to football. I remember playing in the Meadowhall League against him when he was still in his 20’s but he’d stopped playing football professionally. He was a bit too good for that level!
 
Players you wanted to see fail, ideally by career ending injuries, and definitely didn't want to see arrive:

Terry Curran

End of thread
Totally agree.

We’ve had a few ex piggies, some of whom I’ve liked and others not so.

The Curran signing absolutely horrified me at the time. Lots of piggy mates loved him and all us Blades detested him. Not sure if anyone else noticed at the time but it appeared to me that him and King Keith never gelled on the pitch. Hopefully Keith hated the twat !
 
Totally agree.

We’ve had a few ex piggies, some of whom I’ve liked and others not so.

The Curran signing absolutely horrified me at the time. Lots of piggy mates loved him and all us Blades detested him. Not sure if anyone else noticed at the time but it appeared to me that him and King Keith never gelled on the pitch. Hopefully Keith hated the twat !
I wasnt against the signing but I admit I was baffled by his decision to drop down a division to join us. He was Wendy's best player and I think he hated playing under Jack Charlton.

I didnt watch many of our games during the 1982-83 season because I was playing football regularly on Saturday afternoons. I dont remember seeing Curran play for us.
 
Totally agree.

We’ve had a few ex piggies, some of whom I’ve liked and others not so.

The Curran signing absolutely horrified me at the time. Lots of piggy mates loved him and all us Blades detested him. Not sure if anyone else noticed at the time but it appeared to me that him and King Keith never gelled on the pitch. Hopefully Keith hated the twat !
I think there was a bit of rivalry between Curran and Edwards. It was mentioned in Kevin Armstrong's Bladerunners book. More recently when Keith Edwards was doing co-comms on Radio Sheffield he said something along the lines of "I've just seen Terry Curran who I have a love-hate relationship with". Nowadays Curran sticks to posting pro-MAGA rants on Facebook.
 
I watched a lot of Richard Lucas (left back) in reserve games, and thought he could make the grade. Didn't ever get a spot, probably lacked the physicality.

Also, Mike Lake, he had that golden few months, but it was clearly a flash in the pan.
He was never the same after breaking his leg not long after getting into the team in January 1990. Which is strange as couple of years later he then goes on to have that golden month of goals in the top flight.
Interview here, the odd spelling mistake in it and it's quite old as he mentioned Deano has just signed for Benfica!
 
I'll return to this when I get a spare five or have the brain power, but just posting this, before someone else does, to take the piss out of me...

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