Philliskirk Released

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Sadly for Philli, he had no particular stand out attributes to warrant a run. The best I saw him play was a few matches the other pre-season with Tonne playing just behind him.
 
Im sure he will get another club & get a run in the side.

Bets of luck for the future lad.
 
Foxy said:
Sadly for Philli, he had no particular stand out attributes to warrant a run. The best I saw him play was a few matches the other pre-season with Tonne playing just behind him.
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A striker with no outstanding attributes... He played centre midfield at Chelsea, do you think he would have been better there Foxy?
 
What a roaring success “The Development Squad” (Conneely, McAllister, Tonne, Lokberg, Thomas, Warren, Gardos, Philliskirk etc) has turned out to be!

We spent at least £160K on this lot while the First Team Manager was denied any funds to fight off relegation.
Our total return has been a few average performances from McAllister and a couple of good games from Tonne.

Some of us called it right and called it early (as strange old Lenners used to say).
We might still be in The Championship if that money had been spent on the first team instead.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
What a roaring success “The Development Squad” (Conneely, McAllister, Tonne, Lokberg, Thomas, Warren, Gardos, Philliskirk etc) has turned out to be!

We spent at least £160K on this lot while the First Team Manager was denied any funds to fight off relegation.
Our total return has been a few average performances from McAllister and a couple of good games from Tonne.

Some of us called it right and called it early (as strange old Lenners used to say).
We might still be in The Championship if that money had been spent on the first team instead.
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To be fair I'm not sure we got relegated for the want of £160,000! Stick another nought on it and you might be nearer the truth.

Realistically you have to recruit on potential, but players can look like world beaters at 16 and just not progress as you'd hoped they would. I'm pretty sure in financial terms the successes more than balance investments in the failures.

Spotting and nurturing young talent is the only way for a club like Utd to ever have a hope of competing in the higher leagues and to say what a waste of money X,Y and Z were, after the event is frankly unconstructive and as pointless as predicting last weeks lottery numbers?
 
I'm not saying it after the event, I said it at the time.
These blokes weren't 16, most of then were 20+ with younger players being picked ahead of them.
We sent Vokes back and played an unfit Henderson to save money, so £160K could have made a huge difference.
 
Bergen Blade said:
A striker with no outstanding attributes... He played centre midfield at Chelsea, do you think he would have been better there Foxy?
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Possibly, but he seemed to have got into the habit of over-thinking things for me, he'd get in a fantastic position, dwell on the ball and before he knew it the opposition had sorted it.

I think for both the sake of SUFC and Danny's career this is probably the best option, let him have a fresh go somewhere else with a shorter path to the first eleven.

Sothall_Blade said:
Some of us called it right and called it early (as strange old Lenners used to say).
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The thing with a lot of the "we called it right" comments at the moment is, it's incredibly easy to be proven right in football as a tiny percentage of young players become something and only a couple of teams a season can truly achieve. The rest of the league are all failures.

A development squad and academy is always going to be littered with players who don't succeed, it's the nature of the game. If Philli leaving is an example of us failing, then I guess Chelsea ought to bin their young squads too, given that he was their captain for a time.
 
Then it does seem a little disingenuous to hold it aloft like a newborn as a symbol that we're on the right path doesn't it?
 
raul said:
Then it does seem a little disingenuous to hold it aloft like a newborn as a symbol that we're on the right path doesn't it?
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If it wasn't communicated, there would be a number of thread suggesting we should look at bringing youngish players from elsewhere and/or overseas just like *insert other team here*. That we were short sighted and that it wasn't rocket science.

Just like there was a mini outcry about spending money on an academy, until there were a few players to build up and idolise.

Unless we get multiple top flight players = useless waste of money
If we get one and sell them = joke, no ambition
If we try and bring one through and he makes a mistake = abuse him, tell everyone he's crap
If we release someone whose been involved = Never seen him play, but he never got a proper chance!
 
I'm absolutely in favour of the Academy. My comments relate to the group of 20-something's we signed from elsewhere.
If a player is over 20 and commands a fee he should be ready to go straight in the first team at our level, none of them did.
We spent 2 years trying to improve them and they still weren't as good as our own younger kids.
Not one of the eight players I mentioned above has succeeded, that's a poor return by any standards.
 
1889 said:
To be fair I'm not sure we got relegated for the want of £160,000!
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That was two months salary for Darius Henderson. :)

Speaking of whom, that useless lump of snarling gristle has been signed by McLeish at Forest. He's 31 and has an outstanding GBH prosecution to deal with. And we complain about having Wilson in charge..... :)
 
Foxy said:
If it wasn't communicated, there would be a number of thread suggesting we should look at bringing youngish players from elsewhere and/or overseas just like *insert other team here*. That we were short sighted and that it wasn't rocket science.

Just like there was a mini outcry about spending money on an academy, until there were a few players to build up and idolise.

Unless we get multiple top flight players = useless waste of money
If we get one and sell them = joke, no ambition
If we try and bring one through and he makes a mistake = abuse him, tell everyone he's crap
If we release someone whose been involved = Never seen him play, but he never got a proper chance!
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So we're back to blaming the fans for everything? Possibly 20 or 30 people who express reactive dissStisfaction on message boards ??
I was going to post a long reasoned and hopefully debate worth post about where we are etc but I think we've enough threads that go round and round and round in ever decreasing depressing circles. I genuinely don't see a way forward.
 
raul said:
So we're back to blaming the fans for everything? Possibly 20 or 30 people who express reactive dissStisfaction on message boards ??

I was going to post a long reasoned and hopefully debate worth post about where we are etc but I think we've enough threads that go round and round and round in ever decreasing depressing circles. I genuinely don't see a way forward.
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Not at all no, I just don't recall it it being trumpeted as the guaranteed savoir of the club, more simply communicated as a good idea.

I don't think the idea is a bad one, the key is in the recruitment, continued development and a massive slice of luck. We have improved slightly in that area and have people aboard with decent connections and reputations.

I also think we've far from pooled all our eggs into one "development squad" basket.

My point is not about it's effectiveness and whose fault it is, but that it's incredibly easy to pick fault with every attempt at player recruitment - That's not defending SUFC, we clearly need to do it better than we have for a number of years.
 



He probably didnt play cos he was toss.

It's no fluke that Ironside had broke into the team. He's obviously deserved it more
 
Foxy said:
Possibly, but he seemed to have got into the habit of over-thinking things for me, he'd get in a fantastic position, dwell on the ball and before he knew it the opposition had sorted it.

I think for both the sake of SUFC and Danny's career this is probably the best option, let him have a fresh go somewhere else with a shorter path to the first eleven.
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I remember reading a Chelsea reserve watcher's view on him, written before he went on loan somewhere a bit before he joined us. He basically said his potential was good in central midfield (compared his passing to Paul Scholes'), but would be a waste of time out wide or up front.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
I'm absolutely in favour of the Academy. My comments relate to the group of 20-something's we signed from elsewhere.
If a player is over 20 and commands a fee he should be ready to go straight in the first team at our level, none of them did.
We spent 2 years trying to improve them and they still weren't as good as our own younger kids.
Not one of the eight players I mentioned above has succeeded, that's a poor return by any standards.
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What if the failure of those 8 players served as an impetus for our own lads to push on and work harder? Would that be considered £160k well spent?
 
At the end of the day he has been here 2 seasons and in that time has never started a first team game (other than Johnstones Paints?) and in the games I saw for the reserves/u21's did not stand out.

He did not seem particularly fast, was very weak (like his Dad) and his awareness/football brain was not great.
With all the injuries/decline over the last 2 years; if he was any good surely he would have at least been given a chance? The only ridiculius move was giving him another contract when he seemed no nearer to 'developing' as a so called 'development player.' He went to Oxford and could not get in their team and did not impress. Also it is telling no other club in the bottom 2 divisions or conference seemingly wanted to take him (as surely like with Harriot he would have been placed anywhere to get him games).

I think Tonne, Chappel and Harriot may be the next ones to go too as from what I have seen of them and their lack of development or outstanding attribute means that with them being wrong side of 20; they probably need to move on as they are not going to make it here I am afraid. If we arent going to play them or even really consider them when they have been at the club for 3 or 4 seasons as a 'pro' then surely we are wasting some of the limited funds we have by keeping them? Sounds harsh but when we saw so many reduncancies in external/non playing positions who could not be kept why should they be any different?
 
Sothall_Blade said:
I'm not saying it after the event, I said it at the time.
These blokes weren't 16, most of then were 20+ with younger players being picked ahead of them.
We sent Vokes back and played an unfit Henderson to save money, so £160K could have made a huge difference.
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I would love to see your post from two years back, condemning the signing of Philliskirk and the others, furthermore on that basis, I will be the first in line to apologise for suggesting that you were guilty of merely stating the obvious.

However, until then...........
 
no great hardship for him to be honest, he'll probably get picked up by a much more ambitious club than us, someone like forest green rovers. then pass us as we head towards the conference.
 
Signed for Coventry. Be interesting to see how he does there. Didn't see a lot of him but when I did see him, he looked very ordinary indeed.
 
How come Coventry City (who played us off the park first half last week and Robins has got them together) have signed a player we had and deemed not good enough to get a run in the first team - have they seen something that their coaching staff can work on and ours packed it in as a bad job! - Strange !!
 
He will either be hit or miss for them.

I reckon the latter in this case.
 
Fiery Blade said:
How come Coventry City (who played us off the park first half last week and Robins has got them together) have signed a player we had and deemed not good enough to get a run in the first team - have they seen something that their coaching staff can work on and ours packed it in as a bad job! - Strange !!
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I think the decision to release Philliskirk is one where the SUFC management and the fans were in complete agreement.

Not that it will stop some people having a go at Wilson if, by some miracle, he comes good at Coventry.
 
broomhillblade said:
I think the decision to release Philliskirk is one where the SUFC management and the fans were in complete agreement.

Not that it will stop some people having a go at Wilson if, by some miracle, he comes good at Coventry.
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Possibly, I think the fans agreed with releasing him because he wasn't getting a game - didn't see enough of him myself to pass comment but certainly agreed that at present to pay him and not to even contemplate playing him was madness!
Same can be said about Tonne!
However, if he does come good shouldn't someone question the coaching staff and ultimately the manager!
 
Fiery Blade said:
Possibly, I think the fans agreed with releasing him because he wasn't getting a game - didn't see enough of him myself to pass comment but certainly agreed that at present to pay him and not to even contemplate playing him was madness!
Same can be said about Tonne!
However, if he does come good shouldn't someone question the coaching staff and ultimately the manager!
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... and those of Chelsea also?
 
But to be fair none of our players would be retained by Chelsea ! or even Chelsea Reserves! and that includes Long and Maguire - and Coventry is deemed to be the same standard as us yet we haven't beaten them in three games this year
 



I dont think he had the chance tbh.

Will be interesting to see how he gets on there.
 
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