Philip Billing

[Aston max]

Didn't I read he,d had words with iriola

 

[Snowflake]

Hodgkinson
Caldwell-G Shaw
Richardson-J Shaw-Summers
The most perfect example of this classic formation.

Spot on .

 

[Macfarlane21]

If all the rumours are true and we are genuinely interested in Billing, we could go from spending virtually nothing to 30m before the transfer window closes.

Can't see it happening but I'm gojng to enjoy the euphoria whilst ive got it

Seol - apparently still interested - 5m
Zätterström - up to 3m
Godfrey - up to 3m (on wages)
Mee - Imagine up to 1m signing on fee
Billing - 9m
Mystery winger - let's say 5m

 

[MayorOJC]

If all the rumours are true and we are genuinely interested in Billing, we could go from spending virtually nothing to 30m before the transfer window closes.

Can't see it happening but I'm gojng to enjoy the euphoria whilst ive got it

Seol - apparently still interested - 5m
Zätterström - up to 3m
Godfrey - up to 3m (on wages)
Mee - Imagine up to 1m signing on fee
Billing - 9m
Mystery winger - let's say 5m

View attachment 219842

Think Godfrey (should) end the Seol link. Can't imagine Seriki would be too happy being third choice.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Didn't I read he,d had words with iriola

You misread, he said he likes areola.

 

[Uganda Blade]

You misread, he said he likes areola.

So he's a bit of a tit?

 

[Houston_Blade]

So he's a bit of a tit?

Loves a good nipple.

 

[Balham]

The “Number 6” thing baffles me.

Number 6 is a centre half!!!! Always has been. Can’t think of any deep lying midfielder who wore number 6 in the days when numbers meant something.

Not quite. Depends where in the world you are.

It all stems from the evolution from 2-3-5. In that formation, it was quite straightforward in terms of numbers. 2 and 3 were full backs; 4 & 6 half backs; 5 centre back; 7 & 11 outside forwards, 8 & 10 inside forwards & 9 centre forward:


Different countries modified this when the changes in the offside law meant that more players needed to be in defence. In the UK, we moved the centre half and the left half back into the middle of the defensive line and the 7, 8 & 11 to join the 4 in a midfield four, leaving 9 & 10 as forwards:


In South America, however, things were different. Not only was 4-3-3 preferred but they'd moved different roles. 5 stayed as the central defensive midfielder in both Brazil and Argentina but the two defensive numbering systems were different:
Brazil:


Argentina:


In Spain (and a lot of Europe), it was different again with 2-4-5-3 being the defence and 6-8-10 being the midfield - hence those numbers now being used to describe a midfielder's role in the team:


Modern cases in point:
Javier Zanetti wearing 4 at RB for Argentina, Roberto Carlos wearing 6 at LB for Brazil with Lucío wearing 3 at CB. Xavi wearing 6 for Barcelona and Spain.

 

[SUFCScorecard]

Not quite. Depends where in the world you are.

It all stems from the evolution from 2-3-5. In that formation, it was quite straightforward in terms of numbers. 2 and 3 were full backs; 4 & 6 half backs; 5 centre back; 7 & 11 outside forwards, 8 & 10 inside forwards & 9 centre forward:
View attachment 219846

Different countries modified this when the changes in the offside law meant that more players needed to be in defence. In the UK, we moved the centre half and the left half back into the middle of the defensive line and the 7, 8 & 11 to join the 4 in a midfield four, leaving 9 & 10 as forwards:
View attachment 219847

In South America, however, things were different. Not only was 4-3-3 preferred but they'd moved different roles. 5 stayed as the central defensive midfielder in both Brazil and Argentina but the two defensive numbering systems were different:
Brazil:
View attachment 219848

Argentina:
View attachment 219849

In Spain (and a lot of Europe), it was different again with 2-4-5-3 being the defence and 6-8-10 being the midfield - hence those numbers now being used to describe a midfielder's role in the team:
View attachment 219850

Modern cases in point:
Javier Zanetti wearing 4 at RB for Argentina, Roberto Carlos wearing 6 at LB for Brazil with Lucío wearing 3 at CB. Xavi wearing 6 for Barcelona and Spain.

This is, without doubt, one of the best posts I've ever read on this forum. I was always a little confused by this and its answered all my questions. Brilliant.

 

[Bladeloyal]

I'll point out currie was 10 for us 4 for England playing in the same position ,it's just a number on your back

 

[mattbianco1]

Number 6 is a centre half!!!!

A team of 6's

 

[Balham]

A team of 6's

View attachment 219857

Needs Beattie up front

 

[Balham]

This is, without doubt, one of the best posts I've ever read on this forum. I was always a little confused by this and its answered all my questions. Brilliant.

Happy to help just a pity it's going to get buried in the discussion about whether we're going to sign a 29 year old Danish international midfielder.

A friend gave me Jonathan Wilson's "Inverting the Pyramid" years ago. Fascinating read if football tactics are your thing, though I suspect it's due an update.

 

[mattbianco1]

Not quite. Depends where in the world you are.

It all stems from the evolution from 2-3-5. In that formation, it was quite straightforward in terms of numbers. 2 and 3 were full backs; 4 & 6 half backs; 5 centre back; 7 & 11 outside forwards, 8 & 10 inside forwards & 9 centre forward:
View attachment 219852

Different countries modified this when the changes in the offside law meant that more players needed to be in defence. In the UK, we moved the centre half and the left half back into the middle of the defensive line and the 7, 8 & 11 to join the 4 in a midfield four, leaving 9 & 10 as forwards:
View attachment 219847

In South America, however, things were different. Not only was 4-3-3 preferred but they'd moved different roles. 5 stayed as the central defensive midfielder in both Brazil and Argentina but the two defensive numbering systems were different:
Brazil:
View attachment 219848

Argentina:
View attachment 219849

In Spain (and a lot of Europe), it was different again with 2-4-5-3 being the defence and 6-8-10 being the midfield - hence those numbers now being used to describe a midfielder's role in the team:
View attachment 219850

Modern cases in point:
Javier Zanetti wearing 4 at RB for Argentina, Roberto Carlos wearing 6 at LB for Brazil with Lucío wearing 3 at CB. Xavi wearing 6 for Barcelona and Spain.

The Swedes go right to left too don't they?

So in a 4-4-2:



Ljungberg always wore #9 on the left.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

A team of 6's

View attachment 219857

Take out Redondo, put in Claudio Gentile, I'll get the ambulance.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Not quite. Depends where in the world you are.

It all stems from the evolution from 2-3-5. In that formation, it was quite straightforward in terms of numbers. 2 and 3 were full backs; 4 & 6 half backs; 5 centre back; 7 & 11 outside forwards, 8 & 10 inside forwards & 9 centre forward:
View attachment 219852

Different countries modified this when the changes in the offside law meant that more players needed to be in defence. In the UK, we moved the centre half and the left half back into the middle of the defensive line and the 7, 8 & 11 to join the 4 in a midfield four, leaving 9 & 10 as forwards:
View attachment 219847

In South America, however, things were different. Not only was 4-3-3 preferred but they'd moved different roles. 5 stayed as the central defensive midfielder in both Brazil and Argentina but the two defensive numbering systems were different:
Brazil:
View attachment 219848

Argentina:
View attachment 219849

In Spain (and a lot of Europe), it was different again with 2-4-5-3 being the defence and 6-8-10 being the midfield - hence those numbers now being used to describe a midfielder's role in the team:
View attachment 219850

Modern cases in point:
Javier Zanetti wearing 4 at RB for Argentina, Roberto Carlos wearing 6 at LB for Brazil with Lucío wearing 3 at CB. Xavi wearing 6 for Barcelona and Spain.

Even in England some clubs chose to move back the right half back, ie number 4, and not the number 6. I think this happened more often if the club didn't have a left footed, defensively good number 6.

Unaware of the above I remember being confused as to why Man Utd had Steve Bruce wearing number 4 and Gary Pallister number 5 in the 90s. Was that always a Man Utd tradition?

 

[Lowen]

A team of 6's

View attachment 219857

Where’s Beatts?

 

[Valley Blade]

Even in England some clubs chose to move back the right half back, ie number 4, and not the number 6. I think this happened more often if the club didn't have a left footed, defensively good number 6.

Unaware of the above I remember being confused as to why Man Utd had Steve Bruce wearing number 4 and Gary Pallister number 5 in the 90s. Was that always a Man Utd tradition?

Liverpool always had centre backs as 4 and 6. Number 5 used to be left side midfield. Ray Kennedy or Ronnie Whelan spring to mind.

 

[Bell4]

I'll point out currie was 10 for us 4 for England playing in the same position ,it's just a number on your back

And 7 for England

 

[Bergen Blade]

The Swedes go right to left too don't they?

So in a 4-4-2:

View attachment 219858

Ljungberg always wore #9 on the left.

Was the same in Norway.

 

[Netsix_and_chill]

Needs Beattie up front

He's got the flu

 

[bonobo]

The best way of describing Chris Basham was a wing half and Mark Duffy an inside forward, positions come and go, based on tactics. I usually find we are debating three different positions when I see us discussing a 'winger' in the various chats, so you would not say a number 11. I just find the use of numbers to describe a player a bit useless, given we now have squad numbering. It's easier to say we want a holding midfielder alongside a box to box player. John Gannon was still a number 4 mind...

 

[Blade1959]

And 7 for England

And 6

 

[Sean Thornton]

Even in England some clubs chose to move back the right half back, ie number 4, and not the number 6. I think this happened more often if the club didn't have a left footed, defensively good number 6.

Unaware of the above I remember being confused as to why Man Utd had Steve Bruce wearing number 4 and Gary Pallister number 5 in the 90s. Was that always a Man Utd tradition?

Best and Law wore 7-11 inclusive during their time at Old Trafford. Law even wore #4 once apparently. Bobby Charlton wore them all but 7. All three wore 12 when subs came in, err as they were subs……

Hockey wore 6 for us, Powell 4. It was arbitrary back then.

 

[jono_t2000]

Would love to see Billing come in, he's the ultimate beast.

Can't remember which game it was but I remember there was an on field scuffle and Billing was holding back two of our players single handedly like they were flies.

 

[Blade58]

Would love to see Billing come in, he's the ultimate beast.

Can't remember which game it was but I remember there was an on field scuffle and Billing was holding back two of our players single handedly like they were flies.

Agree but can’t see it tbh, plus T-Blade doesn’t think it’s a goer

 

[Blade1959]

Even in England some clubs chose to move back the right half back, ie number 4, and not the number 6. I think this happened more often if the club didn't have a left footed, defensively good number 6.

Unaware of the above I remember being confused as to why Man Utd had Steve Bruce wearing number 4 and Gary Pallister number 5 in the 90s. Was that always a Man Utd tradition?

I think Pallister wore 6 and midfielders/ wingers such as Lee Sharpe wore 5

 

[Railway Blade]

Not quite. Depends where in the world you are.

It all stems from the evolution from 2-3-5. In that formation, it was quite straightforward in terms of numbers. 2 and 3 were full backs; 4 & 6 half backs; 5 centre back; 7 & 11 outside forwards, 8 & 10 inside forwards & 9 centre forward:
View attachment 219852

Different countries modified this when the changes in the offside law meant that more players needed to be in defence. In the UK, we moved the centre half and the left half back into the middle of the defensive line and the 7, 8 & 11 to join the 4 in a midfield four, leaving 9 & 10 as forwards:
View attachment 219847

In South America, however, things were different. Not only was 4-3-3 preferred but they'd moved different roles. 5 stayed as the central defensive midfielder in both Brazil and Argentina but the two defensive numbering systems were different:
Brazil:
View attachment 219848

Argentina:
View attachment 219849

In Spain (and a lot of Europe), it was different again with 2-4-5-3 being the defence and 6-8-10 being the midfield - hence those numbers now being used to describe a midfielder's role in the team:
View attachment 219850

Modern cases in point:
Javier Zanetti wearing 4 at RB for Argentina, Roberto Carlos wearing 6 at LB for Brazil with Lucío wearing 3 at CB. Xavi wearing 6 for Barcelona and Spain.

Just printed this out for the wife. She loves a sudoku puzzle.
It should keep her occupied while I catch up with what I've missed in the rumours forum.

 

[Badger Blade]

The Swedes go right to left too don't they?

So in a 4-4-2:

View attachment 219858

Ljungberg always wore #9 on the left.

Then it really annoyed me when Haris Radetinac, normally a winger/striker at Djurgården (my second team) spent a long period at left back wearing 9

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Agree but can’t see it tbh, plus T-Blade doesn’t think it’s a goer

That is disappointing. Really hoping there's truth in this one. Proper player.