Outgoing? Peck

[Danetheblade]

Assuming this was regarding my post, so ill nibble.

Do i like him - yes
Do i think hes a decent player - yes
Would i want him to go? - no, if we were in a position to keep him.

I am not as disheartened with peck leaving like I was Ndiaye or berge.

But he's probably our highest asset right now and that money can be used to improve the squad overall.

The money we would get, you can easily bring in a good box to box or upgrade, for example Leicester loaning James with an option for €5m to turn it permanent, whos the same age as peck, Grimes cost Coventry £4m? Swansea paid €2m for Franco......theres players out there that would cost less and easily replace peck.

Pretty much the same mindset. However, I don't for one second believe we'll look at players like Franco, James. Maybe Grimes, with this recruitment team I don't trust them to find their cock in the toilet, let alone good gems available at a decent price.

 

[SouthportBlade]

I think Peck will have been just about the perfect academy player for a club like ours.

(Obviously the romantic view of future captain, 100s of appearances as we climb the leagues together is utopia, but doesn’t happen)

With Sydie, Watch him develop, play and contribute for a few seasons whilst increasing in value. Sell for a good whack, reinvest or fund into first team rebuild.

 

[MayorOJC]

It’s why I’d like to keep him. It’s a cliche now but it does take time to adjust to the pace of the English game. There’s definitely a player in there somewhere if we had the coaching staff to develop.

I’d be interested to know how he was identified because it was really left field compared to our other signings.

I get why he was picked out from a data perspective. He was one of the stand out DMs in Liga Portugal. They just didn't factor in that Liga Portugal is Sporting, Benfica, Porto and 15 League One teams.

 

[AnstonBlade1]

You say that but our biggest problem for years has been athleticism in central midfield. Peck has the stamina but his woefully slow to turn and he's not particularly quick. On top of that, the current evidence suggests that Wilder's plan is to use Riedewald and Rothwell which will make the whole thing worse.

The last 15 years has seen midfield pairings of:
2011/12 (4-4-2): McDonald & Doyle. A Rolls-Royce and a clogger. Season ended in a play off final defeat
2012/13 (4-4-2): McDonald & Doyle. A Rolls-Royce and a clogger. Season ended in a play off semi final defeat
2013/14 (4-4-2): Doyle & Coady. A clogger and a prospect who ended up at centre half. Season ended in mid-table.
2014/15 (4-4-1-1): Doyle & Basham: A clogger and a hero who ended up at centre half. Season ended in a play off semi final defeat
2015/16 (4-4-1-1): Basham & Hammond: A hero who ended up at centre half and the invisible man. Season ended in our lowest league finish in a generation.
2016/17 (3-4-1-2): Coutts & Fleck: a balanced duo who were able to set the tempo and control matches. Season ended in promotion.
2017/18 (3-4-1-2): Coutts (to Nov)/Evans/Leonard & Fleck: we were flying with the same dynamic duo but Coutts' injury stopped us going straight up. Season ended in mid-table
2018/19 (3-4-1-2): Norwood & Fleck: slight alteration to the style with Norwood's pragmatism and passing range replacing Coutts' movement and subtlety. Season ended in promotion
2019/20 (3-5-2): Lundstram/Berge, Norwood & Fleck: continuation of the previous season as the novel tactics propelled us to a strong PL finish. Season ended in mid-table.
2020/21 (3-5-2): Berge, Norwood & Fleck: post-Covid, the tactics were found out as teams targeted the lack of pace and movement in midfield. Season ended in disaster.
2021/22 (5-2-3): Norwood & Fleck/Osborn: cracks continued to appear, team carried by attacking trio (MGW, Ndiaye, Berge). Season ended in play off semi final defeat
2022/23 (5-2-3): Norwood & Doyle then Doyle & Fleck: we were stagnating until Hecky dropped the aging Norwood for Doyle*. Season ended in promotion
2023/24 (4-2-3-1): Norwood & Souza: lack of mobility ruthlessly exploited by quicker, stronger and better opposition players. Season ended in disaster
2024/25 (4-2-3-1): Souza & Arblaster then Peck: strong midfield for the level for the first time in 8 years. Season ended in a play off final defeat
2025/26 (4-4-2): Riedewald & Peck: lack of mobility across the team exacerbated the issues in central midfield. Season ended in disappointment.

*in the last 15 matches of 2022/23 Norwood started 8 (W2 D0 L5) and Doyle 10 (W8 D0 L2)

All those years we’ve been lacking pacey midfielders someone who can take someone on isn’t afraid to shoot from distance.

 

[NordicHarry]

Just keep Wilder away from ‘t munneh

You're saying you don't want Robinson, Jimmy Dunne, and Choudhury?

 

[Wards]

It's ok, we've got Joe Rothwell.

 

[Blade56]

You're saying you don't want Robinson, Jimmy Dunne, and Choudhury?

Rearrange the letters of their names and you get wilder journeymen and projects

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

I predict with some confidence we will try to sign Dan Neil to replace Peck

 

[Berkshire Blade]

We have to successfully sell Peck for good money first...

 

[Englebert Wincobank]

I predict with some confidence we will try to sign Dan Neil to replace Peck

Are we talking about the bloke who was married to Rylan?

 

[Danetheblade]

I predict with some confidence we will try to sign Dan Neil to replace Peck

Decent player, could probably find a similar level player for half the price if we had scouting that went further than Newcastle.

 

[Keen Blade]

Rearrange the letters of their names and you get wilder journeymen and projects

No no no ,
You're thinking of Morrison , Rodwell & T Davies

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Totally agree, my concern is giving the funds generated to Wilder to spend on “older more experienced players”. Need to take his club bank card off him.

I get the impression Wilder is publicly playing out an argument with the Owners through those comments. He's already eluded to them wanting to go in a youthful direction .

 

[Blade56]

I get the impression Wilder is publicly playing out an argument with the Owners through those comments. He's already eluded to them wanting to go in a youthful direction .

I did write a sentence at the end of my post suggesting Wilder was coming across again as anti-youth. I deleted it as it sounded anti CW, but hey, I’m not alone.

 

[TJ blade]

I get the impression Wilder is publicly playing out an argument with the Owners through those comments. He's already eluded to them wanting to go in a youthful direction .

Maybe the youthful direction they allegedly allude to means, more players which are athletic & pacey, instead of slow & always on the treatment table... no i don't think so, can't give these owners any credit at all after the Selles debical!!

 

[bertieblade]

Old players have very little resale value, the owners cannot afford to fill the squad with more ageing has beens, how many does Wilder need in a team?
Possibly an experienced centre back, beyond that we need assets that appreciate in value

 

[KMC-1889]

Maybe the youthful direction they allegedly allude to means, more players which are athletic & pacey, instead of slow & always on the treatment table... no i don't think so, can't give these owners any credit at all after the Selles debical!!

They’re looking for players that will increase in value so they can be sold if they do well to keep the club sustainable.

Wilder wants to burn buckets of cash chasing washed up recovery projects and some ‘good young lads’ in.

 

[Toto]

Nothing to do with ambition, its to do with sustainability & not breaching the new psr rules.

Peck is very much replaceable dare I say we could easily upgrade for far less & Peck is from our academy so its 100% profit on the books, which will go along way.

If that is the case what are we trying to sustain, an average side that may stay mid table in the league we are happy to play in or a side full of youthful energetic players that can take us to the next level with the ability to remain there, playing the attractive football which we all would like to watch. In my opinion that would require ambition. A Peck replacement is not a logical option, why would you want to replace what you already have? A Peck improvement may be but at what cost and where? Not easy imo. I think he is good enough and young enough to improve to the next level and is our player.

 

[Keen Blade]

Old players have very little resale value, the owners cannot afford to fill the squad with more ageing has beens, how many does Wilder need in a team?
Possibly an experienced centre back, beyond that we need assets that appreciate in value

Players which appreciate in value ?
Now there's a decent idea if we are to make progress like the 3 little Bs.
And I seem to recall the owners mentioning player-trading as a provider of the profit necessary to survive.
But
We've needed these types since we gave away our investment in McBurnie , Mousset & Brewster , for absolutely nothing - none of the trio having "appreciated" whilst with us.
We do learn slowly at the Lane.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Peck is my favourite current player because he does both sides of the game and actually seems to give a shit when we lose. He has what I think is the mentality needed to be a Sheffield United player. He's the only one on the books I can definitely say that about. We need at least four or five players with a similar mentality as our squad is a personality vacuum.

 

[Blademan89]

If that is the case what are we trying to sustain, an average side that may stay mid table in the league we are happy to play in or a side full of youthful energetic players that can take us to the next level with the ability to remain there, playing the attractive football which we all would like to watch. In my opinion that would require ambition. A Peck replacement is not a logical option, why would you want to replace what you already have? A Peck improvement may be but at what cost and where? Not easy imo. I think he is good enough and young enough to improve to the next level and is our player.

See post 391 I've answered most of your questions on that one.

 

[LBA_Blade]

No problem with peck going, nowhere near a prem player, can't shoot, no pace! Could get better i suppose with good coaching, which we haven’t got, anybody comes in with silly money snatch there hands off.

I thought that initially but when thinking about him in a similar way to Berge is now at Fulham. With Peck he is one of the better players with us and has to pick up a lot of work both attacking and defensively and work himself into the ground covering for mistakes from others. With going to somewhere like Brentford he won't be their best player which allows him to develop and be coached to a higher standard. Similar to how Berge has pushed on since leaving us (and Burnley)