Palace and THAT goal/non-goal

[djbaldken]

I know its all over the place on the news on the net etc. The main controversy seems to be should there be goal line technology or not?

Whatever your thoughts, imagine this senario: Man Ure are playin Chelski at the Bridge in a Premireship decider. Who ever wins wins the title.
Rooney scores the exact same goal that comes back out and the ref waves play on.
Swap Neil Warnock rant for Alex Ferguson rant.

Would anything be done about it then???

Vote now

I vote resoundingly YES

 

[Grecian2000]

I know its all over the place on the news on the net etc. The main controversy seems to be should there be goal line technology or not?

Whatever your thoughts, imagine this senario: Man Ure are playin Chelski at the Bridge in a Premireship decider. Who ever wins wins the title.
Rooney scores the exact same goal that comes back out and the ref waves play on.
Swap Neil Warnock rant for Alex Ferguson rant.

Would anything be done about it then???

Vote now

I vote resoundingly YES

and the chances of such a decision going against Man Utd in the first instance? Absolute ZERO.

 

[Sensiblade]

Stupid that it happened.
Shouldn't be allowed to happen again

Not really a United thread.
This is the original post about this subject
http://sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=14018

 

[Toronto Blade]

The ref has apoligised to Warnock and been has banned for this weeks games.
The opposing manager admitted it was a goal.
The league knows it was a goal and suspends the ref, which does absolutely nothing to help Palace get it's deserved point.That point could be very valuable come the end of the season.
The fault lies with the league someone should step up and either assign a draw or order a replay.
A replay would mean a fair result and more money added to the club.

 

[MobileBlade]

Law 5 - The Referee:

"The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play,
including whether or not a goal is scored and the result of the match,
are final.

The referee may only change a decision on realising that it is incorrect
or, at his discretion, on the advice of an assistant referee or the fourth
official, provided that he has not restarted play or terminated the
match."

He said on the day no goal. Therefore no goal. Simple. Blind maybe. But simple.

 

[puppet]

The ref has apoligised to Warnock and been has banned for this weeks games.
The opposing manager admitted it was a goal.
The league knows it was a goal and suspends the ref, which does absolutely nothing to help Palace get it's deserved point.That point could be very valuable come the end of the season.
The fault lies with the league someone should step up and either assign a draw or order a replay.
A replay would mean a fair result and more money added to the club.

Screw Palace, the ref made a mistake, who cares? It happens. Goal-line technology would ruin the game and be the thin end of the wedge. Then it would be offsides, penalties... and a game that takes about 5 hours to complete cos of re-runs. And if you can't do it on a sunday league pitch, then you can't introduce such rules into the pro game, not without turning it into an absolute pansified farce.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

Screw Palace, the ref made a mistake, who cares? It happens. Goal-line technology would ruin the game and be the thin end of the wedge. Then it would be offsides, penalties... and a game that takes about 5 hours to complete cos of re-runs. And if you can't do it on a sunday league pitch, then you can't introduce such rules into the pro game, not without turning it into an absolute pansified farce.

Why would it ruin the game? Technology has been used sucessfully in other sports, there must be one in 10 games where a goalline tech decision would be needed, so the number of incidents would be minimal where it's actually used.

As for ease of use, we very often now see shots from that cam which is exactly on line with the goaline, it would take all of 15 seconds for a 4th official to check something like that.

And of course you can introduce it to some leagues and not others. You don't see hawk eye used at local tennis tourneys, but there is no problem using it at Wimbledon.

The technology is there for line decisions to get more decisions right than we are doing now. It's the most high profile sport on the planet, yet it hasn't moved on like many others have.

 

[puppet]

Why would it ruin the game? Technology has been used sucessfully in other sports, there must be one in 10 games where a goalline tech decision would be needed, so the number of incidents would be minimal where it's actually used.

As for ease of use, we very often now see shots from that cam which is exactly on line with the goaline, it would take all of 15 seconds for a 4th official to check something like that.

And of course you can introduce it to some leagues and not others. You don't see hawk eye used at local tennis tourneys, but there is no problem using it at Wimbledon.

The technology is there for line decisions to get more decisions right than we are doing now. It's the most high profile sport on the planet, yet it hasn't moved on like many others have.

yes but it starts with goal-line tech... then a disputed penalty becomes the next step because all goal-line stuff is covered....etc etc etc

the beauty of football is stuff like that goal that never was! would england have ever won anything with goal-line technology? i'd say probably not....

 

[happyhippy]

Why would it ruin the game? Technology has been used sucessfully in other sports, there must be one in 10 games where a goalline tech decision would be needed, so the number of incidents would be minimal where it's actually used.

So what's the point? Sport ain't fair.

As for ease of use, we very often now see shots from that cam which is exactly on line with the goaline, it would take all of 15 seconds for a 4th official to check something like that.

And of course you can introduce it to some leagues and not others. You don't see hawk eye used at local tennis tourneys, but there is no problem using it at Wimbledon.

You see lower attendances on Court 14 at Wimbledon than you do at AFC Wimbledon. To compare sports as such is spurious.

The technology is there for line decisions to get more decisions right than we are doing now. It's the most high profile sport on the planet, yet it hasn't moved on like many others have.

And also the fastest which requires line decisions, and probably 99.99995% of decisions are considered to be correct. Don't fix what isn't broken.

 

[Autumn]

Imagine if it had been a woman referee, everyone would have had a bigger field day with this one.....

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Screw Palace, the ref made a mistake, who cares? It happens. Goal-line technology would ruin the game and be the thin end of the wedge. Then it would be offsides, penalties... and a game that takes about 5 hours to complete cos of re-runs. And if you can't do it on a sunday league pitch, then you can't introduce such rules into the pro game, not without turning it into an absolute pansified farce.

Local tennis clubs don't have hawk-eye - I wouldn't have said the game is a pansified farce.

In every sport where video technology has been used, it's simply served to make it a fairer sport where poor decisions are minimalised. Goals change games, simple as, and for me if technology can be used on specific goal-related incidents it would make the game much fairer, and remove a lot of the pressure off referees. The incident at Bristol at the weekend, and in the Watford-Reading game last year, should serve as reminders why we need to at the very least trial something different.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

So what's the point? Sport ain't fair.

The point is to make it fairer.

You see lower attendances on Court 14 at Wimbledon than you do at AFC Wimbledon. To compare sports as such is spurious.

Don't quite get your point here. Are you suggesting that because the attendance is low at Wimbledon court 14 they shouldn't be using it? If they are using it at the top level of competition in one sport with hardly any affect on the flow of the game, then why not another?

And also the fastest which requires line decisions, and probably 99.99995% of decisions are considered to be correct. Don't fix what isn't broken.

But it is broken as proved in the Palace case. Ok lets say 99.99995% of decisions are ok, why not get the other 0.00005% correct as well when it is a hugely huge profile sport with a lot of money at stake. Surely it is better to get more decisions right than we do now? The technology is already there, it's not like it will cost anything.

Personally I think it's simply fear of change - there was the same outcry when they changed the backpass rule, but I think most would agree it's been better for the game.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

yes but it starts with goal-line tech... then a disputed penalty becomes the next step because all goal-line stuff is covered....etc etc etc

the beauty of football is stuff like that goal that never was! would england have ever won anything with goal-line technology? i'd say probably not....

Agree with the England point

Although I don't agree that the beauty of the sport is in incorrect decisions

I do see your point about it being a snowball, that's why the authorities need to be very careful about introducing it. But look at cricket - used very well for line decisions and if anything has improved the standard of fielding as more close direct hit run outs are now being correctly decided and players are training as such. But whilst technology could be used for LBW decisions for example it has not been so far because of the more 'qualitative' nature of the decision.

I think the same would apply for something like offside - although there could be ways to make that better also. The problem with offside is that the play stops when the linesman gives one, so there is no way to go 'back in time' if the decision was proved incorrect by a 4th video official. One possible way would be the 'challnges' system as used in tennis and American football, but it would need a lot of thought.

Goalline tech is generally a straitforward line decision, the tech is there now and would be easy to implement IMO at the top levels of the sport.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

And one last point.

What do you guys think about the Zinedine Zidane incident on the 2006 World Cup final? Do you think any of the officials actually saw it, or that it was seen on a monitor somewhere and they didn't want to get something like that wrong on the highest profile game in the world? We got told after Saturday's incident that the 4th official had no leeway to influence decisions which happened on the pitch - but they did use him for the Zidane thing.
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What about the Hull penalty last year, which was given and then not after certain 'consultation' which may have involved a video replay?
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Both these are huge decisions in a game and there are really a limited number of such key decisions to make in a match. The powers that be tell us that no video tech was used in them, but do we really believe that? And why not use it to get the correct decisions in such match changing examples? (although I agree the problem is where do you draw the line).

 

[travellingblade]

I'm amazed that following the Watford v Reading "goal" last year that a similar thing has happened again this year.

Beggars belief.

 

[bricktop]

If you bring in goal-line technology then some more technology comes in that can tell you if someone is offside, or when a handball comes in but it disrupts the ebb and flow of the game. As you already have the goal-line technology do you suddenly decide that video replays are the best ways of resolving contentious issues affecting the ebb and flow of the game, or do you keep things the way they are and come under increasing pressure to embrace the new technology every time there is a controversial decision.

The whole goal line debate has been rumbling on for years and years, and the Watford / Reading incident last season was a shocker, and the Crystal Palace goal last week was a shocker and in both cases it is up to the referee and the referee's board to investigate why these mistakes have happened and ensure they don't happen again

 

[Santos]

I know its all over the place on the news on the net etc. The main controversy seems to be should there be goal line technology or not?

Whatever your thoughts, imagine this senario: Man Ure are playin Chelski at the Bridge in a Premireship decider. Who ever wins wins the title.
Rooney scores the exact same goal that comes back out and the ref waves play on.
Swap Neil Warnock rant for Alex Ferguson rant.

Would anything be done about it then???

Vote now

I vote resoundingly YES

I agree, but it seems that the Premier League, Football League, Referees, Manaagers all want this kind of technology but it's those chuffing utopian idiots at FIFA who oppose it on a whim.

Blatter & Platini don't seem too keen on English football so i'm not even sure your situation would change anything, maybe a Champions League Final may do the trick.