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Nagima said:
If you are happy with the signing of McBurnie and Brewster you won't have to search at all.
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Mcburnies more than repaid his transfer fee and wages

Brewster has been incredibly unlucky with injuries

The club have managed 3 seasons out of the last 5 in the premier league on a low budhey so can probably get by without your scouting expertise
 
Frank the tank said:
Mcburnies more than repaid his transfer fee and wages

Brewster has been incredibly unlucky with injuries

The club have managed 3 seasons out of the last 5 in the premier league on a low budhey so can probably get by without your scouting expertise
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McBurnie cost £18M.
Brewster £20M.
Neither had much to do with us spending 3 years in the PL. But again don't let that stop you from condescension.
 
I am not above renewing either contract but given past history there has to be an element of availability and/or appearances to their wages.
 
Nagima said:
So 21 goals in 131 games McBurnie and 4 goals in 62 games. Means my point is invalid because you don't agree with it. And Hence I am not the full shilling. Its easy be a smart man in here. Are you as brave face to face.
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Its easy being a smart man.
 
Nagima said:
Brentford are now in the position of strength but we were buying players from them. So they were not for many years better off financially than us. But they were better organised with their scouting. And sold players on for a tidy profit. Maupay. Watkins and Toney probably will go too.

Brighton were long enough outside the PL but are a well run club.

Regarding ours.....we got great value from McGoldrick Stevens Baldock Fleck until lately Norwood Basham Egan Jack O Connell. We didn't pay big fees and all stepped up.
All of our big signings before this season have been flops (bar ramsdale).

The problem has been when we had money we wasted it. I understand we don't pay big wages which limits our options. I do get your point that giving a new contract to McBurnie isn't costing us much and for me that would be fine if we had other established strikers. Archer most likely will be gone. Brewster is not any good and the progression of Osula and Jebbison seems to have stalled.

Spotting players requires a level headed combination of data analysis and personal judgement.
Regarding weaknesses of course there is competition for players with little or any weaknesses in their game. My point is McBurnie is below par on too many skills. Brewster's only asset is he has a hard shot when he gets to whack it. Are they both players we can say were worth buying?

It's just my opinion that we were better at recruiting and then between Wilder the Prince and Scouts we filled a squad in the PL with players worse than those who got us out of league 1.
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Aye
Can’t / won’t argue with (most) any of that.
I just feel that McB is ‘worth’ keeping given even a like for like replacement will cost us more.
He gets’ the club & was effective (+) in the Championship.
His fragility is a concern & we clearly need a viable ‘shadow’ - I think Osula has the makings although not so sure about Jebbison - think we got giddy about 1 (simple) goal @ Goodison- he appears to have regressed (or not progressed) both on & off the field.
 
Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn said:
Aye
Can’t / won’t argue with (most) any of that.
I just feel that McB is ‘worth’ keeping given even a like for like replacement will cost us more.
He gets’ the club & was effective (+) in the Championship.
His fragility is a concern & we clearly need a viable ‘shadow’ - I think Osula has the makings although not so sure about Jebbison - think we got giddy about 1 (simple) goal @ Goodison- he appears to have regressed (or not progressed) both on & off the field.
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I get you on McBurnie and your point is valid. Jebbo & Osula....we need to play them or loan them otherwise they stall.
One clever bit of business done this season was Beto to Everton......thought he played really well. With us it's either or. Can't afford to pay for two. We get Archer and make do with the rest.
 
Frank the tank said:
Mcburnies more than repaid his transfer fee and wages
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Has he fuck! 21 goals total and he's in his FIFTH season now. That's an abysmal record and if you can be happy at spending £18 million on that then you have very low standards. He's not half the player Billy Sharp was and I'm still not sure we'd have been happy to spend anything like £18 million on Billy even in his prime.
 
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Fjortoft's Aeroplane said:
Has he fuck! 21 goals total and he's in his FIFTH season now. That's an abysmal record and if you can be happy at spending £18 million on that then you have very low standards. He's not half the player Billy Sharp was and I'm still not sure we'd have been happy to spend anything like £18 million on Billy even in his prime.
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After a passable first season and then two horror shows, he had a huge part in us getting promoted. And that promotion saved us from a financial precipice.

So his contribution has been considerable, and if fit, we know he’s a very good player now.
 
JohnDenver said:
After a passable first season and then two horror shows, he had a huge part in us getting promoted. And that promotion saved us from a financial precipice.

So his contribution has been considerable, and if fit, we know he’s a very good player now.
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I'm not saying he's not contributed (esp last season) . But not £18 million worth of contributions. I expect an £18 million striker to average 22 a season in the championship. He's averging 6.5 over 2 championship seasons.

Also if he's getting credit for the much needed promotion last season, then he needs to be found massively at fault for his part in the 20/21 season with his 1 goal contribution. That relegation is what put is in the shit in the first place.. so at best, being generous, we can say he's compensated for that.
 
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While we still persist with Norwood Fleck and Osborn as a midfield contract extention are immaterial. The strikers get scraps every game, it wouldn't matter who was up front if you can't get it to them in dangerous positions they can do fuck all. Even if its an experiment for a couple of games get Souza slimane Hamer and McAtee playing their natural positions and even get Larouci in (can't be any worse than the other LB, at least he adds something going forward) and change to 451 or 442 because current formation is absolutely bollocks
 
As long as (1) we're not too concerned about their injury records/likelihood (2) we can agree suitable wages (perhaps a wage drop is needed) I'd definitely want to renew Egan and Baldock. Stalwarts that would do us very well in the Championship.

I'd 100% renew Baldock even if we miraculously stay up (if medical checks fine).
 
Wilder implying Arblaster and Jebbo could be sorted within the next few weeks.

Wilder also saying today he is balancing a lot of the other contracts of senior players. Seems to imply anyone who can't keep fit probably won't be getting a new deal. The signs are there that the likes of Fleck won't be getting a new deal.
 
If we let a few of them go, we are going to have to spend a bit to replace them, unless we are just going with our academy prospects?! As much as I don't really enjoy seeing Norwood, Osborn, Fleck on the starting team sheet, I feel that we will have to spend a fair bit to replace some of that.
 
dexter101 said:
If we let a few of them go, we are going to have to spend a bit to replace them, unless we are just going with our academy prospects?! As much as I don't really enjoy seeing Norwood, Osborn, Fleck on the starting team sheet, I feel that we will have to spend a fair bit to replace some of that.
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Wilder made a good point though, they actually have to be fit and available often enough. Fleck hasn't been right for years.
 
Bladesman said:
Wilder made a good point though, they actually have to be fit and available often enough. Fleck hasn't been right for years.
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Good point on that too. We don't want our medical room warming, but happy for the bench to be warmed
 
dexter101 said:
If we let a few of them go, we are going to have to spend a bit to replace them, unless we are just going with our academy prospects?! As much as I don't really enjoy seeing Norwood, Osborn, Fleck on the starting team sheet, I feel that we will have to spend a fair bit to replace some of that.
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The three mentioned are no longer good enough,
Souza is better than norwood
Brooks better than fleck
Osborn has not been involved and is behind Arblaster in ability
 
dexter101 said:
Good point on that too. We don't want our medical room warming, but happy for the bench to be warmed
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Wilder was dancing around it without naming names but I think he thinks the same way most of us do. We are not going to keep paying wages out to players of a certain age who spend more time in the treatment room than on the pitch.

Ozzy has had his fitness issues as well despite the effort he puts in when he plays. I would not be surprised if it's Adam Davies, Norwood, Osborn and Fleck let go in the summer.
 
dexter101 said:
If we let a few of them go, we are going to have to spend a bit to replace them, unless we are just going with our academy prospects?! As much as I don't really enjoy seeing Norwood, Osborn, Fleck on the starting team sheet, I feel that we will have to spend a fair bit to replace some of that.
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Upgrading our benchwarmers at championship level needn't cost the earth.
 
Bladesman said:
Wilder implying Arblaster and Jebbo could be sorted within the next few weeks.

Wilder also saying today he is balancing a lot of the other contracts of senior players. Seems to imply anyone who can't keep fit probably won't be getting a new deal. The signs are there that the likes of Fleck won't be getting a new deal.
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He can imply all he wants to be fair. Until the contract has been signed doesn't make a difference. Questions like that shouldn't be responded to in the media until the deal is over the line. Agents are the snakiest (in the dictionary!) of the lot, if they feel they can get something out there to top their bank balance up a bit they will. Jebbo "linked to Everton" or he goes on a free in the summer etc, it just causes rife rumours that feed journos that make a living of guess games.
 
Yeah, I'm glad he mentioned the injuries aswell as the quality of the player. I'd say out of the contract players, half get injured a few times a season. (Ones in bold)

Foderingham
Davies
Amissah
Bogle
Baldock
Lowe
RND
Egan
Basham
Coulibaly
Osborn
Fleck
Norwood
Jebbison
McBurnie
 
dexter101 said:
If we let a few of them go, we are going to have to spend a bit to replace them, unless we are just going with our academy prospects?! As much as I don't really enjoy seeing Norwood, Osborn, Fleck on the starting team sheet, I feel that we will have to spend a fair bit to replace some of that.
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Not really. You could say Brooks is the Osborn replacement (and is much better), Arblaster for Norwood (time will tell there) and possibly Davies for Fleck in that box-to-box role (if he can keep fit).

We'd need some further back up, but it's probably the case that 2/3 are already at the club.
 
Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou said:
Yeah, I'm glad he mentioned the injuries aswell as the quality of the player. I'd say out of the contract players, half get injured a few times a season. (Ones in bold)

Foderingham
Davies
Amissah
Bogle
Baldock
Lowe
RND
Egan
Basham
Coulibaly
Osborn
Fleck
Norwood
Jebbison
McBurnie
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Harsh on Baldock, missed some this and last season, but prior to that he barely missed a game in 3 years. Maybe it's she that's increasing the frequency, but his a availability has largely excellent.
 

Bladesman said:
Wilder was dancing around it without naming names but I think he thinks the same way most of us do. We are not going to keep paying wages out to players of a certain age who spend more time in the treatment room than on the pitch.

Ozzy has had his fitness issues as well despite the effort he puts in when he plays. I would not be surprised if it's Adam Davies, Norwood, Osborn and Fleck let go in the summer.
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I'd say all four of those players haven't really contributed anything for at least this season and majority of last season anyway.
 
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