Our goal kicks

[1973Blade]

I don't like them! We pass it around the back almost losing it.and then hoof it up. I'm more worried when we have a goal.kick than when they had a corner!

 

[Bladesman]

Those sort of goal kicks will only work if you have Moore up front with someone playing off him.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

The point of these is to beat their high press. The pass to the keeper allows the keeper to make a better pass to the MF or Striker beyond the pressing forwards. It’s quite common. If the press get it right they can snuff it out which to Sunderland’s credit they did. Most teams won’t do that.

 

[100% part time blade]

The point of these is to beat their high press. The pass to the keeper allows the keeper to make a better pass to the MF or Striker beyond the pressing forwards. It’s quite common. If the press get it right they can snuff it out which to Sunderland’s credit they did. Most teams won’t do that.

Every team in the premier league would though, which for now we don’t need to worry about, but some other option must be worth trying after you’ve gifted them possession so many times, e.g. bring on McCallum with his Go-Go-Gadget legs to win headers 18 foot in the air?

 

[AWetFlannel]

There's a reason most teams at the top of the PL, Championship, League 1 and League 2 take goal kicks like this. We didn't do it particularly well tonight, but the worst thing the crowd can do is get on their backs about something they are clearly forced to do and contribute to them bottling it and hoofing it out of play.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Every team in the premier league would though, which for now we don’t need to worry about, but some other option must be worth trying after you’ve gifted them possession so many times, e.g. bring on McCallum with his Go-Go-Gadget legs to win headers 18 foot in the air?

McCallum is an absolute joke with his jumping.

 

[Bladesman]

The point of these is to beat their high press. The pass to the keeper allows the keeper to make a better pass to the MF or Striker beyond the pressing forwards. It’s quite common. If the press get it right they can snuff it out which to Sunderland’s credit they did. Most teams won’t do that.

It works well if you have a better target man to aim for. Campbell wasn't getting much success against their defenders.

 

[AnstonBlade1]

Had the same conversation tonight, why are we trying to play out from the back? We’re not Man City, everytime it ended up putting us under pressure.

 

[PokerBlade]

There's a reason most teams at the top of the PL, Championship, League 1 and League 2 take goal kicks like this. We didn't do it particularly well tonight, but the worst thing the crowd can do is get on their backs about something they are clearly forced to do and contribute to them bottling it and hoofing it out of play.

I think as well people get on their backs for struggling with it but the alternative of hitting it long to Campbell wouldn't have been any better. We didn't have any aerial threat or real physical presence up there so we had to try and craft something from goal kicks. Sunderland made that really difficult but the only solution was for us to try and compose ourselves and make it work, not get frustrated and start playing more direct.

 

[Working Class Hero]

I've never particularly been a fan of this tactic, but to get infuriated by it because it might result in us conceding, when that's literally the thing we never ever do, is a bit strange.

 

[AWetFlannel]

We’re not Man City.

Neither are Gateshead or Donny or Birmingham or Leeds, but they're all doing it and are successful in their leagues.

You don't need to be Spanish or Man City to pass the ball.

 

[Bladesman]

I've never particularly been a fan of this tactic, but to get infuriated by it because it might result in us conceding, when that's literally the thing we never ever do, is a bit strange.

I don't mind to see them do it, if it's working.

If you are just trying to dink it over the top and turn over possession because your striker is being outfought in the air then its a bit of a waste of time.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Neither are Gateshead or Donny or Birmingham or Leeds, but they're all doing it and are successful in their leagues.

You don't need to be Spanish or Man City to pass the ball.

What I think we hope to do:



But we often end up passing it back to a defender or goakeeper who hoofs it forward, and tonight it usually saw Sunderland win the ball.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

It works well if you have a better target man to aim for. Campbell wasn't getting much success against their defenders.

For sure, but even that was option B, option A is the keeper playing it out to one of the defenders and we build. Option B is a little chip into MF to beat the press. We haven’t mastered that yet. McBurnie was brilliant at it.

 

[Ned the Donkey]

I don't like them! We pass it around the back almost losing it.and then hoof it up. I'm more worried when we have a goal.kick than when they had a corner!

Abso-fucking-lutely.

It's the reason it's been raining fucking goals against us at the Lane this season.

Once we stop fucking about and start twatting it to the big lad up front we might keep a clean sheet for once, and maybe even get a win.

 

[YES Blade]

We’ve got a keeper that is really good on the ball, so why wouldn’t we use his ability in that area?

It seems stupid to sign a keeper like Cooper and have him boot the ball up to the striker every goal kick.

 

[Bladezz]

I don't like them! We pass it around the back almost losing it.and then hoof it up. I'm more worried when we have a goal.kick than when they had a corner!

God job we’ve played multiple games and not been caught out.

 

[Silent Blade]

Gives me palpitations!

 

[Blademan89]

Gives me palpitations!

Last season it would have and season before, but this season doesn't seem to bother me as much, feel much more confident with Cooper playing it out than I would wes and with anel and soutter / blaster or souza receiving it.

Although I must admitt my arse twitched a bit when coops played it to souzer who was in-between two players closing down about 8 yards in our box .

 

[Champagneblade]

McCallum is an absolute joke with his jumping.

Like Seriki he’s another excellent sub option, he’s labelled as a defender but he also keeps the team with one eye going forwards.

 

[SuperSonicBlade89]

These type of goal kicks are now the norm across football. It was pretty niche back in the day. But someone somewhere thought they were better and everyone copies it. I don't like it from us personally. But I like it when other teams do it (poorly) and we actually press and nick a goal, makes the other team look like amateurs imo. That's my fear for it happening to us.

So far it has worked out and Cooper is very very good with his feet, so that alleviates a lot of that pressure. Many of you would have noticed that he plays the sweeper keeper role very well and is effectively an extra outfield player sometimes. Wes Fodderingham was absolutely woeful at this and was caught out many times from memory.

 

[100% part time blade]

The point is not whether we take a short goal kick or kick it long: the point is we attempted the exact specific same short goal kick EVERY time last night against a Sunderland side who just cut off all the available short passes by invading the area, and the we chipped it towards the centre circle and gave them possession.
Surely there are other restart patterns involving full-backs, or other midfielders that we could attempt instead of what we did seemingly EVERY time last night. It’s not about fear of conceding, but gifting them
posession. Campbell lost that specific duel every time; the frustrating thing was that we never tried anything else.

 

[YES Blade]

These type of goal kicks are now the norm across football. It was pretty niche back in the day. But someone somewhere thought they were better and everyone copies it. I don't like it from us personally. But I like it when other teams do it (poorly) and we actually press and nick a goal, makes the other team look like amateurs imo. That's my fear for it happening to us.

So far it has worked out and Cooper is very very good with his feet, so that alleviates a lot of that pressure. Many of you would have noticed that he plays the sweeper keeper role very well and is effectively an extra outfield player sometimes. Wes Fodderingham was absolutely woeful at this and was caught out many times from memory.

We’re now 18 matches into the season and we’ve not been caught out by playing goal kicks. So it’s clearly a tactic that is successful for us.

If we do end up conceding in one or two matches then so be it. The positives for us outweigh the negatives.

 

[Keen Blade]

Gives me palpitations!

Me too

 

[Keen Blade]

Has this idea occurred to anyone ?

Sometimes , when it's clear that goalie is gonna kick it long , you get all 20 outfield players congregating on one side or the other.

I don't know whether this just happens randomly or as a result of the team with the goalkick deciding to go on that side of the pitch.

There is consequently a huge area of green space on the opposite side.

If a couple of our players were to have an arrangement with Coops that , should this occur , he should kick it straight into the empty green space , whereupon they would collect it
(coz they know it's coming and opponents don't)
and have a free run at goal !

I wish we would try it one day

 

[Geordie Blade]

Abso-fucking-lutely.

It's the reason it's been raining fucking goals against us at the Lane this season.

Once we stop fucking about and start twatting it to the big lad up front we might keep a clean sheet for once, and maybe even get a win.

Too right. Everything was absolutely fine last season (only 104 conceded) and now he’s gone and meddled with it. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Has this idea occurred to anyone ?

Sometimes , when it's clear that goalie is gonna kick it long , you get all 20 outfield players congregating on one side or the other.

I don't know whether this just happens randomly or as a result of the team with the goalkick deciding to go on that side of the pitch.

There is consequently a huge area of green space on the opposite side.

If a couple of our players were to have an arrangement with Coops that , should this occur , he should kick it straight into the empty green space , whereupon they would collect it
(coz they know it's coming and opponents don't)
and have a free run at goal !

I wish we would try it one day

Surely one for the training ground, especially if you are 1 up and defending ping it long into the corner might go out for a throw but could be worse places.

 

[Tarqs]

I seen goals conceded weekly on motd with teams obsessed with doing this, particularly in the prem where most teams press high.

I've very rarely seen a goal scored from it.

Also, 99% of the time, it results in the keeper twatting it up anyway.

EDIT: It's up there with the 'hold the ball in the corner tactic'... which wastes less time than just passing it around and generally results in giving a free kick away, the ball away or a goal kick away within about 5 seconds.

 

[SwissBlade]

I seen goals conceded weekly on motd with teams obsessed with doing this, particularly in the prem where most teams press high.

I've very rarely seen a goal scored from it.

Also, 99% of the time, it results in the keeper twatting it up anyway.

EDIT: It's up there with the 'hold the ball in the corner tactic'... which wastes less time than just passing it around and generally results in giving a free kick away, the ball away or a goal kick away within about 5 seconds.

There is a theory to this.

It works when the defender plays to the keeper but not when the keeper plays to the defender in the area.

The idea is that by giving the keeper the ball it frees up two players which will undoubtedly get closed down, making more space outside the area for the keeper to play to or go long by picking a pass to our players

As I say, that’s the idea, in execution it doesn’t always work and the keeper gets closed down as well, though for some reason attacking teams don’t risk this as they focus on marking the free defenders quickly, if that happens there’s more space to play to

 

[Tarqs]

There is a theory to this.

It works when the defender plays to the keeper but not when the keeper plays to the defender in the area.

The idea is that by giving the keeper the ball it frees up two players which will undoubtedly get closed down, making more space outside the area for the keeper to play to or go long by picking a pass to our players

As I say, that’s the idea, in execution it doesn’t always work and the keeper gets closed down as well, though for some reason attacking teams don’t risk this as they focus on marking the free defenders quickly, if that happens there’s more space to play to

I understand the thought process and reasoning, but I'd also love to see some data that involves ball retention, turnover, goals scored and goals conceded... because I don't think it actually offers anything, unless you are head and shoulders above your opponents.

EDIT:

What I don't get is doing it at levels where players just aren't comfortable enough on the ball to do it, it looks comical. I see it in Junior football and even my god-daughters u9s do it... and they almost end up conceding every time.