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Need4speed said:
But actually just one yellow compared to their seven
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They are utterly awful. The worst ever championship side. I expect them to be kicking us to bits. I don’t think we had any need to do that, especially at 2-0 up.
 



KP cleared the ball well before the Weds player got there. KP can’t just stop the motion of the swing of the leg. In a PL game, I see Phillips kicking the pig, jumping up in the air, decking it, holding his own foot and the red card going the other way.
Neither should happen and no one should have been sent off. The Wednesday player got hurt because he was so far after the clearance, it was embarrassing.
 
If Philips stops and pulls back a little, putting his foot to the ground instead of swinging through, he could well have been second to the ball and has his ankle stamped on as his opponent followed through, and there would have been a sending off exactly like Soumare’s.
 
Rudders said:
If you were being charitable on KP it was a genuine attempt to get the ball and his lack of match fitness meant that his swinging leg followed through at just the wrong height for Ingelssons knee, maybe not 100% deliberate just very clumsy. If anything I think it was less rash, less forceful and in a place where he had to challenge unlike Rothwells
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He won the ball, then decided to act the twat and kick the stupid pig on the knee afterwards. He deserves no charity really, it was a ridiculous decision to do what he did.
 
Of course, Sky show the replays that make it look worse and omit the one where the camera angle makes it look nothing at all.
 
Houston_Blade said:
He won the ball, then decided to act the twat and kick the stupid pig on the knee afterwards. He deserves no charity really, it was a ridiculous decision to do what he did.
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Do you really think he ‘decided to kick him on the knee’ after playing the ball? I could admit that he may have gone in to kick the ball with too much force because he might hurt an opposing player who was stumbling towards him, but the notion that he came up with an idea to deliberately kick the guy’s knee seems pretty implausible.

Ingelsson goes in studs first, off the ground, and if Phillips tried to flick that ball to one side or just place a block he would definitely have stud marks all over his ankle and Ingelsson would be off.
 
100% part time blade said:
Do you really think he ‘decided to kick him on the knee’ after playing the ball? I could admit that he may have gone in to kick the ball with too much force because he might hurt an opposing player who was stumbling towards him, but the notion that he came up with an idea to deliberately kick the guy’s knee seems pretty implausible.

Ingelsson goes in studs first, off the ground, and if Phillips tried to flick that ball to one side or just place a block he would definitely have stud marks all over his ankle and Ingelsson would be off.
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If that had happened the other way around I’d be screaming for a red card. He won the ball and then inexplicably decided to kick the pig.

However much people want to have Blade tinted specs it was a red card in modern football. Not saying I agree with it, but he knew what he was doing.
 
Houston_Blade said:
If that had happened the other way around I’d be screaming for a red card. He won the ball and then inexplicably decided to kick the pig.

However much people want to have Blade tinted specs it was a red card in modern football. Not saying I agree with it, but he knew what he was doing.
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Really? In that nanosecond between clearing the ball (cleanly), and having his foot 14 inches above the turf, he decided to kick the bloke falling into him??

BS.
 
SouthStandGBlock said:
Really? In that nanosecond between clearing the ball (cleanly), and having his foot 14 inches above the turf, he decided to kick the bloke falling into him??

BS.
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You disagree, I take that on board and don’t have to resort to calling your opinion BS.

I think Phillips was fully aware of what he was doing, you don’t clear the ball and leave your leg up knee high (unless you’re Jack Robinson).

In my opinion it was a clear red and he intended to do what he did. I still go back to whether I’d consider it a red if it was the other way around and I definitely would.
 
Houston_Blade said:
You disagree, I take that on board and don’t have to resort to calling your opinion BS.

I think Phillips was fully aware of what he was doing, you don’t clear the ball and leave your leg up knee high (unless you’re Jack Robinson).

In my opinion it was a clear red and he intended to do what he did. I still go back to whether I’d consider it a red if it was the other way around and I definitely would.
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We disagree.

I'll leave it there.
 
Intent doesn’t matter for it to be a red card. It’s a red card because he endangered someone. I think it’s interesting that the same tackle would have been a red card the other way if Phillips had tapped the ball instead of driving it forward as a long pass (because he would have been stamped on). I just think it seems implausible that he made a deliberate decision in such an impossibly short space of time to think “Now I’ve played the ball away, I’m going to kick him as well”. As a result, I don’t think he was being thuggish or making a stupid decision to intentionally try to injure someone - which would be something worthy of a lot more criticism than kicking a ball in front h him with too much force because it raised the possibility of hurting the opponent stumbling towards him.
 
100% part time blade said:
Intent doesn’t matter for it to be a red card. It’s a red card because he endangered someone. I think it’s interesting that the same tackle would have been a red card the other way if Phillips had tapped the ball instead of driving it forward as a long pass (because he would have been stamped on). I just think it seems implausible that he made a deliberate decision in such an impossibly short space of time to think “Now I’ve played the ball away, I’m going to kick him as well”. As a result, I don’t think he was being thuggish or making a stupid decision to intentionally try to injure someone - which would be something worthy of a lot more criticism than kicking a ball in front h him with too much force because it raised the possibility of hurting the opponent stumbling towards him.
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Having just watched it back I partly agree that he didn’t ’intend’ to hurt the pig. But he knew what he was doing just leaving his leg there long enough. Remember we’re talking about a play who has played for Leeds and despite his lack of recent football is well versed in the darker side of the game.

Unfortunately it’s a red and as you say, the pig could have easily been sent off if Phillips had just ridden the late challenge. He was fortunate that COH rode the challenge when he was booked, COH could have made a lot more of that one.
 



It wasn’t a tackle. If it had been a tackle there would be an argument for the red card. Phillips arrived to the ball first, played it, and that daft cunt tried to do him and ended up getting caught. There was no secondary movement to hurt the other player.

Inglesson could have pulled out of the challenge, the ball had gone, but he didn’t. Endangered himself.
 
I’m astounded how many people are blaming Phillips, real time, he simply kicked the ball, from two replays so far, I’ve seen nowt to change my mind. It’s not a “tackle” or “challenge”’
 
Foxy said:
I’m astounded how many people are blaming Phillips, real time, he simply kicked the ball, from two replays so far, I’ve seen nowt to change my mind. It’s not a “tackle” or “challenge”’
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He thought the same - clearly saying “How is that a red card?” repeatedly as he looks towards the bench.
 
There were lots of late ‘ challenges ‘ from the dirty pigs today. They were looking to leave one on our players every time we had passed the ball. A definite tactic that you predict every time. That was the only way they were going to get anything out of game. I do wonder if Phillips thought Ingelsson was also going to leave a late one on him and got his retaliation in first.
Was a miraculous recovery from the pig after such a ‘horrendous’ challenge.
 
Foxy said:
I’m astounded how many people are blaming Phillips, real time, he simply kicked the ball, from two replays so far, I’ve seen nowt to change my mind. It’s not a “tackle” or “challenge”’
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The only reason it looks nasty is that Ingelsson arrived in Phillips’ orbit via the international date line. An utterly ridiculous red. Should have been a foul to us.
 
Nedski said:
He was looking at the ref before he hit the ground. Then rolled around in agony. Then played for another 40 minutes with no issues.
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This 100%. He'd been on the wind up all game. This was his chance and he took it. He managed to make it look far worse than it was. He was crawling around in "agony".

Oh, I wonder if he'll end up being stretchered off, and be out for six months, or will he make a total recovery and play the rest of the game with no adverse consequences despite the life threatening tackle.

Guess what happened.
 
Hockey'sBeard said:
There were lots of late ‘ challenges ‘ from the dirty pigs today. They were looking to leave one on our players every time we had passed the ball. A definite tactic that you predict every time
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Is there a thread anywhere about the player who took out O'Hare after the second goal.

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It's at about 58s in the highlights.

 
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