Our Crowds of 19 000 - in Division 3!

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In part legacy of our season in the "sun". Football becoming more welcoming to women and more recently less hostile to minority groups eg Asian heritage and black people, personally I don't hear racist language at matches these days ( I stand at the back of the kop, perhaps it's more inclusive there). Safer environment due to club and football in general taking steps to make attending games a less intimidating experience. Mainly though I'd say our cup successes of late have stimulated interest which has extended into this season.

If we don't go up I think the goodwill we are enjoying currently may disappear.

I remember watching Sean Bean being interviewed on tv by Frank Bough on morning television in the 1980s the day before we were due to play Leeds in a 2nd tier match and Bough being taken aback when Bean said "10,000" in response to Bough's question about how many were expected to attend the match at the Lane. I think Bean's guess was accurate as well.

Next day the match just seemed full of hooligans on both sides
 
Our 19 000 crowds are pretty remarkable. Looking back through some old games I think we used to get 8 or 9 000 (is that right?) in some previous stints down here.

Anybody any idea when and why this all changed?

UTB

Expectations , this was the season of success. Winning sides get winning support for both Sheffield clubs .

Even Newcastle always getting big gates is a fallacy . I can remember when they averaged 14,000

Gates in league 1 next season 14-15,000 . In championship 21 -22,000

UTB
 
I think we'd get 23-25,000 most weeks.

We would for the first two or three seasons as half the teams in the Championship have decent away followings and 'local' teams such as Leeds, Derby, Forest etc. would bring 3 or 4 thousand which bumps the average up.

Away followings are what are keeping Wendy's crowds (fractionally) above ours this season. That and deals like v. Charlton last Saturday - £10/£5.
 
I said in a thread months ago that the difference between our gates if we stay in this league or go up really will be a large amount and it will have a real bearing on our expenditure next season. We're talking about possibly a 4,000 difference either way which will be a total difference of 8,000 which when you think about means we really do need promotion this season.
 
Our 19 000 crowds are pretty remarkable. Looking back through some old games I think we used to get 8 or 9 000 (is that right?) in some previous stints down here.

Anybody any idea when and why this all changed?

UTB

8 or 9,000 crowds at the Lane weren't really the norm - there were quite a few in the third division, and even one or two as low as 7000 in the second under McEwan. They were more common in the mid-80s when football generally was in dire straights thanks to decrepit, rotting stadia and decrepit, rotting brain-cells of a lot of "fans". United were on their knees financially and couldn't do anything to bring people in. Even Liverpool were struggling to get more than 30,000 a game despite being European champions. Arsenal often had gates of less than 20,000 and averaged around 24-25,000 in the mid 80s too. Chelsea's were relatively poor even at a similar or lower figure up to the mid-90s. Wolves had a spell in the early 80s of regularly getting 6000 or less in the top division, Birmingham and Middlesbrough were clubs that had top flight crowds of less than 5000 on multiple occasions, and of course Wimbledon would struggle to get more than 3500 if it weren't for travelling support.

And though they'll never admit it (they've changed their own record books now), Glasgow Rangers got a recorded crowd of 2,000 for a league game against Greenock Morton in the 81-82 season and that was supposedly an over-estimate - only a fraction paid on the day and no-one could be bothered to tot up properly (and they had many more attendances only marginally higher than that). Think those are recorded in the Rothman's year book of the time.

Football's changed now since Italia 90, EPL/Sky, sanitisation, Euro-96, all-seaters/new stadia, etc and clubs like United have got better at building and maintaining their support levels... but it still requires a team with an expected chance of relative success to keep the punters coming in.
 
8 or 9,000 crowds at the Lane weren't really the norm - there were quite a few in the third division, and even one or two as low as 7000 in the second under McEwan. They were more common in the mid-80s when football generally was in dire straights thanks to decrepit, rotting stadia and decrepit, rotting brain-cells of a lot of "fans". United were on their knees financially and couldn't do anything to bring people in. Even Liverpool were struggling to get more than 30,000 a game despite being European champions. Arsenal often had gates of less than 20,000 and averaged around 24-25,000 in the mid 80s too. Chelsea's were relatively poor even at a similar or lower figure up to the mid-90s. Wolves had a spell in the early 80s of regularly getting 6000 or less in the top division, Birmingham and Middlesbrough were clubs that had top flight crowds of less than 5000 on multiple occasions, and of course Wimbledon would struggle to get more than 3500 if it weren't for travelling support.

And though they'll never admit it (they've changed their own record books now), Glasgow Rangers got a recorded crowd of 2,000 for a league game against Greenock Morton in the 81-82 season and that was supposedly an over-estimate - only a fraction paid on the day and no-one could be bothered to tot up properly (and they had many more attendances only marginally higher than that). Think those are recorded in the Rothman's year book of the time.

Football's changed now since Italia 90, EPL/Sky, sanitisation, Euro-96, all-seaters/new stadia, etc and clubs like United have got better at building and maintaining their support levels... but it still requires a team with an expected chance of relative success to keep the punters coming in.

What a great post :)

It's that mid-80s era nationwide I was thinking of.

Gazza's tears.They changed football forever.
 
I said in a thread months ago that the difference between our gates if we stay in this league or go up really will be a large amount and it will have a real bearing on our expenditure next season. We're talking about possibly a 4,000 difference either way which will be a total difference of 8,000 which when you think about means we really do need promotion this season.

And funnily enough many people have said similar year on year in league one. But people still keep turning up...

The cup success has most certainly been a major factor as its given people some excitement in an otherwise very inconsistent couple of seasons. But with most season ticket sales coming at this time of year, as we seem to pick our form up a little, people have already committed to the next season before this one ends and we don't know where we'll be next year (most probably league one again)
 
8 or 9,000 crowds at the Lane weren't really the norm - there were quite a few in the third division, and even one or two as low as 7000 in the second under McEwan. They were more common in the mid-80s when football generally was in dire straights thanks to decrepit, rotting stadia and decrepit, rotting brain-cells of a lot of "fans". United were on their knees financially and couldn't do anything to bring people in. Even Liverpool were struggling to get more than 30,000 a game despite being European champions. Arsenal often had gates of less than 20,000 and averaged around 24-25,000 in the mid 80s too. Chelsea's were relatively poor even at a similar or lower figure up to the mid-90s. Wolves had a spell in the early 80s of regularly getting 6000 or less in the top division, Birmingham and Middlesbrough were clubs that had top flight crowds of less than 5000 on multiple occasions, and of course Wimbledon would struggle to get more than 3500 if it weren't for travelling support.

And though they'll never admit it (they've changed their own record books now), Glasgow Rangers got a recorded crowd of 2,000 for a league game against Greenock Morton in the 81-82 season and that was supposedly an over-estimate - only a fraction paid on the day and no-one could be bothered to tot up properly (and they had many more attendances only marginally higher than that). Think those are recorded in the Rothman's year book of the time.

Football's changed now since Italia 90, EPL/Sky, sanitisation, Euro-96, all-seaters/new stadia, etc and clubs like United have got better at building and maintaining their support levels... but it still requires a team with an expected chance of relative success to keep the punters coming in.

The lowest post war total for attendance in England was 1985-6. United's biggest league crowd that season was just over 13,000, for a game against Huddersfield, though the presence of 10,000 Derby fans gave us a gate of over 20,000 in the cup.

United's average the following season was 9,992, the only time we have averaged less than 5 figures since the 19th century. In that era there were a few crowds of less than 7,000 at the Lane - as well as the Palace gate that was the post war lowest, we also had less than 7,000 for the Plymouth game that year and for the Reading game the following year.

The last 4 figure crowd at the Lane for a league game was towards the end of 1999-2000, when we beat Crewe early in the Warnock era.

Having a better team under Warnock certainly helped to put numbers up but the main causes were the exploding popularity of football - attendance has gone up almost everywhere over the last 20 years - brought on by the things that Mustela Putorius Furo mentions.
 



Three points

1) this obsession with crowd size is reminiscent of S6 porkine who really are obsessed. Does it matter? Ticket sales add little to overall revenue these days.

2) I can appreciatte that to those 'stato's' amongst us, the historical figures and there context might be of interest.

3) The figures for attendance are different from the actual number. All season ticket holders are counted whether present or not.
 
I recall the final game of the 1968/69 season on 12/04/69 when we beat Blackburn 3-0 with a debutant(?) Dave Staniforth scoring twice. There was only 9645 there. The Currie / Woodward et al hadn't quite got going and it was a disappointing season. I think the play offs have helped in keeping interests alive.

I must admit I cannot recall those games in the mid eighties. Just got married, first mortgage, started a family maybe I was one of the missing thousands.

The work Harry Basset did must have had an influence on improving attendances at that time.
 
I recall the final game of the 1968/69 season on 12/04/69 when we beat Blackburn 3-0 with a debutant(?) Dave Staniforth scoring twice. There was only 9645 there. The Currie / Woodward et al hadn't quite got going and it was a disappointing season. I think the play offs have helped in keeping interests alive.

I must admit I cannot recall those games in the mid eighties. Just got married, first mortgage, started a family maybe I was one of the missing thousands.

The work Harry Basset did must have had an influence on improving attendances at that time.

The playoffs are certainly a factor in increased attendance.

When we went down in 1988 our average gate was about 10,000. Then it was 12,000 odd when we came up in 1989, and 16,000 in 1990, and then the high teens to low twenty thousands in the PL, the most in 1992 I think. Bassett essentially doubled our crowds with back to back promotions.
 
Our 19 000 crowds are pretty remarkable. Looking back through some old games I think we used to get 8 or 9 000 (is that right?) in some previous stints down here.

Anybody any idea when and why this all changed?

UTB

I think a lot of it is down to McCabe's policy of building up the fanbase, cheap tickets/deals etc over the years. This seasons figures probably are down in part to high expectations after last year, but we wouldn't have been getting 19000 plus week in week out if it weren't for those policy's.
IMO United's fan base has grown remarkably over the last decade or so, more so than most other clubs have since football became popular again.
 
It's a shame that so many of our fantastic fan base is going to be so bored and lacking in confidence in this team that they miss the play offs
 
We keep getting filled with promises year on year and for some reason keep falling for it :rolleyes:
 

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