Once, twice, three times a bounce up (and all given to Swansea)

[Champagneblade]

Law 8 - The start and restart of play:

2. Dropped ball

PROCEDURE

• The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
  • the ball was in the penalty area or
  • the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
• In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
• All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play

The ball is in play when it touches the ground.

Someone please explain. When their keeper went down, play was only stopped when the ball was outside the area and in Norwood’s possession, so it fails to fulfil either criteria of it being given to the keeper.

The others I recall less well but above is the actual rule. In each case I seem to remember thinking ‘we have the ball, it should come back to us’.

Not only did it hand the ball to the team that didn’t have it but it also on three occasions stopped the attacking team and gave them the chance to attack. This is why it would be good for refs to be interviewed and accountable. Not to lambast them, but to know what rule he thought he was following to give them the ball on each occasion.

 

[Harry's Game]

As I said on the other thread it’s surely not too much to ask for to have a ref who knows the rules.

 

[Bell4]

Law 8 - The start and restart of play:

2. Dropped ball

PROCEDURE

• The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
  • the ball was in the penalty area or
  • the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
• In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
• All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play

The ball is in play when it touches the ground.

Someone please explain. When their keeper went down, play was only stopped when the ball was outside the area and in Norwood’s possession, so it fails to fulfil either criteria of it being given to the keeper.

The others I recall less well but above is the actual rule. In each case I seem to remember thinking ‘we have the ball, it should come back to us’.

Not only did it hand the ball to the team that didn’t have it but it also on three occasions stopped the attacking team and gave them the chance to attack. This is why it would be good for refs to be interviewed and accountable. Not to lambast them, but to know what rule he thought he was following to give them the ball on each occasion.

Agree totally

They should explain their interpretation and resulting decision because like you and thousands of others I thought we were in full possession on each of the three occasions

Very confusing

 

[LSF]

Definitely the worst I've seen in many a long year.
He made Trevor Kettle look like Pierluigi Collina.

 

[ForgeBlade]

He was bent. It's the only obvious answer. Twice their players went down "injured" (turns out neither of them were hurt, the cheating twats) when we had possession, and twice he restarted play by giving them the ball back. That's not incompetence, it's not being thick, it's plain and simple trying to influence the game in favour of Swansea. Today's ref is a cheat on the take, and he should never referee a game again, at any level.

 

[Linz]

Threads merged

 

[metalblade]

Just when you think referee's can't get any worse along comes the next incumbent. I could scarcely believe what I was seeing today. What an utter bell end.

 

[Bladesman]

Was the ref a Wrexham fan or something?

 

[Redstripe]

Law 8 - The start and restart of play:

2. Dropped ball

PROCEDURE

• The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
  • the ball was in the penalty area or
  • the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
• In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
• All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play

The ball is in play when it touches the ground.

Someone please explain. When their keeper went down, play was only stopped when the ball was outside the area and in Norwood’s possession, so it fails to fulfil either criteria of it being given to the keeper.

The others I recall less well but above is the actual rule. In each case I seem to remember thinking ‘we have the ball, it should come back to us’.

Not only did it hand the ball to the team that didn’t have it but it also on three occasions stopped the attacking team and gave them the chance to attack. This is why it would be good for refs to be interviewed and accountable. Not to lambast them, but to know what rule he thought he was following to give them the ball on each occasion.

The rules around taking goal kicks when attackers are still in the box are a bit open to interpretation too. But the ref stopped play twice in the first half when they decided on a quick goal kick and almost played themselves into trouble.

 

[PageHallBlade]

looks like im in the minority but until the second half drop ball incidents i thought he was decent, let the game flow allowed some goods tackles/challenges that other refs would have blown for

 

[Scarebus]

looks like im in the minority but until the second half drop ball incidents i thought he was decent, let the game flow allowed some goods tackles/challenges that other refs would have blown for

You are in a minority of exactly 1. He was woeful.

 

[Bladesman]

looks like im in the minority but until the second half drop ball incidents i thought he was decent, let the game flow allowed some goods tackles/challenges that other refs would have blown for

Welcome to the forum Mr Donohue.

 

[chesblade]

He has been registered for 4 games this season and we have won them all, can't be that bad.

 

[chesblade]

Should be ref not registered

 

[Proper Blade]

I'm struggling to think of a referee we've had before who literally didn't understand the rules of football. They plumb new depths of incompetence every week.

 

[Grey Blade]

Law 8 - The start and restart of play:

2. Dropped ball

PROCEDURE

• The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
  • the ball was in the penalty area or
  • the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
• In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official
• All other players (of both teams) must remain at least 4 m (4.5 yds) from the ball until it is in play

The ball is in play when it touches the ground.

Someone please explain. When their keeper went down, play was only stopped when the ball was outside the area and in Norwood’s possession, so it fails to fulfil either criteria of it being given to the keeper.

The others I recall less well but above is the actual rule. In each case I seem to remember thinking ‘we have the ball, it should come back to us’.

Not only did it hand the ball to the team that didn’t have it but it also on three occasions stopped the attacking team and gave them the chance to attack. This is why it would be good for refs to be interviewed and accountable. Not to lambast them, but to know what rule he thought he was following to give them the ball on each occasion.

There would have been more logic in dropping the ball at Foderingham's feet. Know that's not the rule but that would have made more sense

 

[Russ]

I liked it when their goalkeeper fouled his own player. Come on ref - penalty!!

 

[Houston_Blade]

He has been registered for 4 games this season and we have won them all, can't be that bad.

I think you were getting confused with the fact that he’s registered blind.

 

[WhiteHawk]

 

[Working Class Hero]

Ref was atrocious, and even if by some bizarre twisted rule he was right to drop the ball with a Swansea player (he wasn't), they should on each occasion have given the ball back to United. Shocking sportsmanship from them as well.

 

[ghandi]

I'm struggling to think of a referee we've had before who literally didn't understand the rules of football. They plumb new depths of incompetence every week.

No such thing as rules of football. They are laws of the game.

 

[Mojo]

Should make an official complaint to the FA for giving us a referee who was making up his own rules

 

[Everblade]

He was bent. It's the only obvious answer. Twice their players went down "injured" (turns out neither of them were hurt, the cheating twats) when we had possession, and twice he restarted play by giving them the ball back. That's not incompetence, it's not being thick, it's plain and simple trying to influence the game in favour of Swansea. Today's ref is a cheat on the take, and he should never referee a game again, at any level.

This is a real concern for me.

Every ref is going to make genuine/innocent mistakes and most football fans can go along with that, but to take for example the two refs we’ve had this week ( and we’ve had some darlings this season ) this obviously hasn’t been the case.

They both seemed so unbelievably biased towards our opponents it was embarrassing. One would hope an assessor is monitoring their performance and acts accordingly but unfortunately I won’t hold my breath on that one.

Thing is, we won both games and the criticism isn’t stemming from sour grapes, just a rapidly declining confidence in the integrity and confidence of the current standard and transparency of refereeing ( and assistants, but that’s for another day ).

You don’t really think they could be on the take, do you?……..

 

[1973Blade]

This is a real concern for me.

Every ref is going to make genuine/innocent mistakes and most football fans can go along with that, but to take for example the two refs we’ve had this week ( and we’ve had some darlings this season ) this obviously hasn’t been the case.

They both seemed so unbelievably biased towards our opponents it was embarrassing. One would hope an assessor is monitoring their performance and acts accordingly but unfortunately I won’t hold my breath on that one.

Thing is, we won both games and the criticism isn’t stemming from sour grapes, just a rapidly declining confidence in the integrity and confidence of the current standard and transparency of refereeing ( and assistants, but that’s for another day ).

You don’t really think they could be on the take, do you?……..

But then he did let a blatant foul Bogle did in the first half pass unpunished. The United, Swansea players all stopped waiting for the foul. He was poor for both sides today.

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

This is a real concern for me.

Every ref is going to make genuine/innocent mistakes and most football fans can go along with that, but to take for example the two refs we’ve had this week ( and we’ve had some darlings this season ) this obviously hasn’t been the case.

They both seemed so unbelievably biased towards our opponents it was embarrassing. One would hope an assessor is monitoring their performance and acts accordingly but unfortunately I won’t hold my breath on that one.

Thing is, we won both games and the criticism isn’t stemming from sour grapes, just a rapidly declining confidence in the integrity and confidence of the current standard and transparency of refereeing ( and assistants, but that’s for another day ).

You don’t really think they could be on the take, do you?……..

Forgeblade has always had a thing about refs, I used to think it was the rantings of a passionate young lad (he's my young lad!). Many years of sitting/standing next to him have made me think he's got a point. It's not an easy job, but some of the decisions are so crackers (including some in our favour, but not many), you have to wonder where these blokes are coming from.
I'm getting to the point where I think the game is too fast for humans to sort out, but then we have the odd game where the ref is fine.
No major insight, but I think Esteemed Forgeblade is right. Most of them are on the take or utterly incompetent. The odd one is fine.

 

[DifferentClass]

Isn't b*uncing a pig thing? Think we know where the ref's nailed his colours!

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Yep, the ref definitely dropped the ball more than a few times today!

 

[Northyorksblade]

He got in the way of the players more than once too. Utter rubbish.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Fucking idiot
Just guessed at everything

Against Wrexham we had a referee who in my opinion wanted Wrexham to win which I feel embarrassed to say , I reckon the FA should look at some of the remarkable decisions he gave to them.
Seen plenty of poor refs in my lifetime as a football fan and this is the 1st time I would call a ref a cheat !!
Today the ref got plenty wrong and ruined a lot of good football! he was just a poor ref full stop.

 

[Sean Thornton]

One of the worst refeeeing performances I’ve seen even worse than ref clown on Tuesday night.

I don’t expect referees to get everything right but I do expect them to know the rules.

Many refs today are smug and or arrogant ( 4th officials will say “hold my beer”) they call themselves professionals but have none of the responsibilities that come with a profession. Fully protected by their governing body they never have to explain contentious or totally incorrect decisions - same when they on VAR duties and managers face sanctions if they mark them low or criticise them. As do players.

Things won’t improve while they are fully protected by their bosses.