Nowthen Prince this is your 3rd JTW after 2 Summer Windows.

[William Henry Foulkes]

Apart from Wigan I cant see another side being anywhere near us in terms of the total amount paid to our match day 18.

Which is why the hope is we move a good few out and buy a couple of class players, because that's the only way we can keep within the SCMP rules.

Just working my way through Soccernomics. I disagree with much of it but they do make a good evidence-based case that it's wages that matter, not transfers.

If you think that this sounds a bit self-contradictory - ie higher transfer fee means better wages I agree.

They did try to explain this but I wasn't paying attention; maybe Hammond is a good example no fee, high wages, important player. Another one might be Roy Keane at Man Utd: bumped his wages to £100 000 per week but no fee (beyond the initial fee years before).

 

[sheffielder]

At the start of his tenure, did McCabe put anwhere near the amount the Prince has put in since the start of his? That has to be a resounding no so there should be no one demanding he puts money in when McCabe says he's not putting any in himself.

McCabe gave half of the 'football club' away as long as the prince put in £5m per year. That was the deal as far as I was aware.

 

[PeteBlade]

we didnt sell our best player this season , hes just returned from injury

Sigh. Yes, of course we didn't.
In your world.

 

[sheffielder]

Sigh. Yes, of course we didn't.
In your world.

Christ on a bike, Murphy is still with us and we aren't playing him by all accounts

 

[Hunkerby]

Sigh. Yes, of course we didn't.
In your world.

Not much between them if you consider the transfer fees paid.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Players will have to go out before any decent players arrive, good players will want paying decent wages and we are on the edge of the FFP limit.

Aren't there about 13 contracts up next summer though? Plenty of time to sort out the wage bill then. If we are up in the Championship things will be a lot different.

 

[PeteBlade]

Not much between them if you consider the transfer fees paid.

I could have said "Hopefully we won't sell our joint best player when you consider the transfer fees paid for both players" but I think most people get and got the point.

I'm sure BTL will come along and argue that we haven't sold one of our best players every year we've been in this league.

 

[Harry's Game]

Aren't there about 13 contracts up next summer though? Plenty of time to sort out the wage bill then. If we are up in the Championship things will be a lot different.

Yeah a transfer embargo will be just what we need if we win promotion. I'm all for getting good players in here but we have to stick to the rules, if there is one club the authorities will want to come down on like a ton of bricks it's us.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I have a vague recollection of a poster who would never miss the chance to talk down to people and explain ever so patiently how everything at SUFC 2013 was different to all previous experiences and how he knew, he really did, the Prince and the Clough dynasty were beyond reproach and he would always be there whenever anyone questioned them.

Wonder where he is now?

Burton?

 

[wizadry]

McCabe gave half of the 'football club' away as long as the prince put in £5m per year. That was the deal as far as I was aware.

If this is true, mate, my original question stands, how long does the Prince have to put £5m per year in without McCabe putting anything in?

 

[sheffielder]

If this is true, mate, my original question stands, how long does the Prince have to put £5m per year in without McCabe putting anything in?

I am not sure to be honest, but I can't see it being 3years x 5m.

 

[wizadry]

I am not sure to be honest, but I can't see it being 3years x 5m.

Same here, it's a hard one to gage really. You don't happen to have the Princes' number do you

 

[UnitedBlade]

Huge win bonuses for the game on 29 May. It's going to be the only way to break the deadlock.

 

[sheffielder]

Same here, it's a hard one to gage really. You don't happen to have the Princes' number do you

No, but I do know a bloke who works for him. I usually contact him on Facebook or Twitter when things go tits up. I can pass those details along....

 

[judge]

So its a bad deal for the club then as it sounds like the 5 m a year just covers losses
It stops mccabe putting his hands in his pockets but means we cant buy our way out the division

 

[wizadry]

No, but I do know a bloke who works for him. I usually contact him on Facebook or Twitter when things go tits up. I can pass those details along....

I'm alright, mate, i was only jesting regarding his number. I would never contact anyone on the board because i wouldn't be able to get in touch with them due to Barney having a little chat with them regarding our 5 game unbeaten manager, Mr Adkins

 

[blade too long]

I could have said "Hopefully we won't sell our joint best player when you consider the transfer fees paid for both players" but I think most people get and got the point.

I'm sure BTL will come along and argue that we haven't sold one of our best players every year we've been in this league.

we sold players who asked to leave to go up a division , or 2 in Maguires case
both were offered enhanced terms but asked to go

we arent as bad as say Swindon who sold half a decent side
in league one you will lose your more accomplished players purely for more money and a higher status

Selling one player isnt reason enough to moan ,
we got weakened more by injuries to brayford done coutts etc etc
If Murphy had done a cruciate or similar we would have had to cope without him like we were without Brayford , so saying one player leaving kills us is garbage

 

[Deaneandagana]

Effectively he's paid thirty seven million for ten million quids worth of shares matching the Princes cash investment. As you say, pretty worthless and even a PL return is unlikely to value the club at £74 million so he recovers his money, especially without a ground.

You're right but as you know, he's got the ground, hotel & academy as surety against his £37m

 

[Harry's Game]

we sold players who asked to leave to go up a division , or 2 in Maguires case
both were offered enhanced terms but asked to go

we arent as bad as say Swindon who sold half a decent side
in league one you will lose your more accomplished players purely for more money and a higher status

Selling one player isnt reason enough to moan ,
we got weakened more by injuries to brayford done coutts etc etc
If Murphy had done a cruciate or similar we would have had to cope without him like we were without Brayford , so saying one player leaving kills us is garbage

Are you also a member of the flat earth society? You seem to be in permanent denial about straight forward facts.

That or you've argued yourself so far into a corner on this issue you are determined to argue a point you can't honestly really believe in anymore.?

 

[Hamburg Blade]

So why should the Prince put anything in then?

Surely he should, just to get us out of this division, regardless of what McCabe does. The longer we're here, the longer he has to sub the losses - and the longer he has to wait before bragging to his mates that he owns a football club, which is why I presume he bought into us.

 

[Deaneandagana]

Surely he should, just to get us out of this division, regardless of what McCabe does. The longer we're here, the longer he has to sub the losses - and the longer he has to wait before bragging to his mates that he owns a football club, which is why I presume he bought into us.

The issue is, the football club is owned 50:50 by KMc & The Prince, therefore presumably all risks (inputs of cash) & rewards (returns on investments) will be shared in the same ratio.

 

[blade too long]

Are you also a member of the flat earth society? You seem to be in permanent denial about straight forward facts.

That or you've argued yourself so far into a corner on this issue you are determined to argue a point you can't honestly really believe in anymore.?

its fact , both asked to leave
why you keep bringing up Murphy as some long lost Messi beggars belief
he played at Gillingham showed fuck all effort to prove his determination to leave
so we let him leave
let the cunt drop hes left of his own valition , ie is not a blade
no one player is bigger than the club , so one leaving means nothing

 

[judge]

The issue is, the football club is owned 50:50 by KMc & The Prince, therefore presumably all risks (inputs of cash) & rewards (returns on investments) will be shared in the same ratio.

Suppose we are better off than when we had mccabe refusing to put money in

Trouble is though if he still is and the prince decides that paying 5m a year to cover the losses of a football club isnt the investment oppurtunity he had hoped then we are back to square one

Im a bit worried that we dont have any cup money or money from player sales to subsidise the squad so only way to save money is by cutting the wage bill and getting shot of the high earners and bringing in fees for anyone we can

 

[Deaneandagana]

Suppose we are better off than when we had mccabe refusing to put money in

Trouble is though if he still is and the prince decides that paying 5m a year to cover the losses of a football club isnt the investment oppurtunity he had hoped then we are back to square one

Im a bit worried that we dont have any cup money or money from player sales to subsidise the squad so only way to save money is by cutting the wage bill and getting shot of the high earners and bringing in fees for anyone we can

The deal was that both parties put an initial £10m in, the Prince paid his in cash, KMc wrote his part off his loans, there has been some talk of a further £3m injection in Sept / Oct but not sure of the details, need to wait for Blades Leisure to publish its numbers - should be by March latest.

 

[judge]

The deal was that both parties put an initial £10m in, the Prince paid his in cash, KMc wrote his part off his loans, there has been some talk of a further £3m injection in Sept / Oct but not sure of the details, need to wait for Blades Leisure to publish its numbers - should be by March latest.

Well that would be a weight off

 

[Harry's Game]

its fact , both asked to leave
why you keep bringing up Murphy as some long lost Messi beggars belief
he played at Gillingham showed fuck all effort to prove his determination to leave
so we let him leave
let the cunt drop hes left of his own valition , ie is not a blade
no one player is bigger than the club , so one leaving means nothing

The thing is you keep saying that the fact these players are allowed to leave or sold hasn't been the main reason we have failed to gain promotion...when it's blinding clear it is.

If Blackman had stayed we would have finished top two that season,

If Macdonald had not gone we would have made the play offs that season at least.

If Maguire had not left I am sure we would have been close to top two and at worst an outfit much more likely to make a play off impact.

Murphy not being here so far has cost us I reckon between 6 - 9 points already and we sit 11 off auto, if we finish 3 or 4 points off promotion this season that will be the main reason we did not go up.

 

[wizadry]

Surely he should, just to get us out of this division, regardless of what McCabe does. The longer we're here, the longer he has to sub the losses - and the longer he has to wait before bragging to his mates that he owns a football club, which is why I presume he bought into us.

It all depends on what valuation was promised when the contract was written up as to what the Prince will put in. I personally would love to see him put more in but to me anyway, it seems like he's already put an hell of a lot in already in his short time here. McCabe had put fuck all in compared at the same stage of their reigns if memory serves me right. Ultimately, i suppose it's upto the Prince how much more he puts in.

I'm the first to come on here and berate something if i see fit, i honestly feel though, that the Prince has put more than enough in to not be pressurised into putting more money in at the minute, if he does then happy days.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You're right but as you know, he's got the ground, hotel & academy as surety against his £37m

Sorry but that's not the case. The assets were all transferred out of the FC with the equivalent amount of debt.

 

[Blade58]

we sold players who asked to leave to go up a division , or 2 in Maguires case
both were offered enhanced terms but asked to go

we arent as bad as say Swindon who sold half a decent side
in league one you will lose your more accomplished players purely for more money and a higher status

Selling one player isnt reason enough to moan ,
we got weakened more by injuries to brayford done coutts etc etc
If Murphy had done a cruciate or similar we would have had to cope without him like we were without Brayford , so saying one player leaving kills us is garbage

What happened to Murphy signing a new extended contract just prior to his request to move? I presume when McCabe a few years ago said the days of the club selling its best players were over was actually a lie, because if all a player has to do is "ask to leave" for the club to sell that player, then that makes a mockery of the whole thing

If a player and I'm specifically referring to Murphy, signs an extended contract just a few months prior to his request to move, there is nothing to stop the club from saying "no"
I'm afraid it's just a convenient excuse for the club to cash in. Sorry, cynical or not that's the way I see it

As for the "selling one player isn't a reason to moan" I'm afraid to say it is, when that one player happens to continually be your best player and it continues season after season. The club pay us so much lip service in their quest for promotion whist continually pulling the rug from under our feet by selling our best players season after season. We know under certain circumstances it is the correct decision to let a player go, (end of contract, offer to good to turn down) we also know they (the board) have a tendency to move out our best players regardless and that's despite the recent investment and the positive comments from McCabe regards "think Liverpool"

 

[Rudders]

Murphy not being here so far has cost us I reckon between 6 - 9 points already and we sit 11 off auto, if we finish 3 or 4 points off promotion this season that will be the main reason we did not go up.

Totally agreed. We sold our player of the Year who single handedly won about 3-4 games for us last year. Jamie Murphy is probably worth 9-12 extra points for a League 1 team. Add those (lost) points to our current total and we would sit in the automatic promotion positions. Easy peasy. Don't sell your best players - get promoted.
Unless you are United when you consign your team to another season in League 1 for the sake of £1.2m probably paid in a 10 million installments of 20p each subject to him appearing for Scotland - still hasn't happened by the way.