[NOT HAPPENING] WARNOCK TO THE GRUNTERS??

[JohnDenver]

You are kidding??? He would definitely take it!!

It's funny that even in that supposed quote of his about wanting to take Wendy down, the first thing he mentions is his pay cheque.

Super manager at that level, but he is a pain in the arse.

 

[Sirius]

Yes Darren, isn't the real problem then, that the league is too big?

Always backed Sir Neil even when he went to the dirties, however, if - and it's a big 'if' - he does go to the pigs, I will always refer to him as Colin.

Should he succeed in getting them relegated though, I may withdraw my contempt.

You would be showing admirable restraint JB in referring to him as Colin.

 

[puppet]

porktalk on fire with talk of him taking over. curle at game tonight... could be game on

 

[madeinsheffield]

Although I still feel he was out of his depth in the premiership the last few seasons before that were exciting, we were the underdogs but there was a fighting spirit, never say die, he was confrontational, happy days.

Having said that it's all about him now he's had a taste of success, think he's had his day.

 

[Darren]

Although I still feel he was out of his depth in the premiership the last few seasons before that were exciting, we were the underdogs but there was a fighting spirit, never say die, he was confrontational, happy days.

Having said that it's all about him now he's had a taste of success, think he's had his day.

I think that "out of his depth" is a bit of a myth. We did as well as most people expected us to do. given the players we had. I think most of us would have taken 38 points at the start of the season and taken our chances as to whether that would be enough to avoid relegation. It would have been in many seasons.

 

[super_pig]

i hope he goes there .. personally i never liked the guy.. his post match comments were cringeworthy at best. not from the Brian Clough school of 'accept the refs decision' was our Colin.. i believe this 'image' continues to haunt us to this day

 

[JohnDenver]

I think that "out of his depth" is a bit of a myth. We did as well as most people expected us to do. given the players we had. I think most of us would have taken 38 points at the start of the season and taken our chances as to whether that would be enough to avoid relegation. It would have been in many seasons.

It's not just our Icarus season in the Prem which forms that theory. He also failed to keep QPR and Notts County up, although I reckon the circumstances for both relegations were largely forgivable.

That said, I think there's substance to the claim that his tactics and man-management aren't suited to the modern era of top flight football and footballers. Unless he gets back there and succeeeds he'll be tagged with the "out of his depth" theory forever.

 

[grafikhaus]

It's not just our Icarus season in the Prem which forms that theory. He also failed to keep QPR and Notts County up, although I reckon the circumstances for both relegations were largely forgivable.

That said, I think there's substance to the claim that his tactics and man-management aren't suited to the modern era of top flight football and footballers. Unless he gets back there and succeeeds he'll be tagged with the "out of his depth" theory forever.

And for that I blame the Chairmen. Warnock has a good record of getting teams up but then not having the nous to keep them there. I'm a big believer of horses for courses. A good area sales guy will probably not cut it at MD level. QPR (and us) should have laid out the ground rules at the outset. 'Get us into the PL and it's job done. There's X-million in your account and we'll move on.'

Regardless of sentiment, NW should have been replaced at both United and QPR when the 'promised land' was reached. If they knew the score at the outset, there's no need for tears.

On the subject of NW going to the pigs, I just can't see it. His well-publicised quote about 'taking Wendy down and retiring' would make 'Agent Wilson' look tame. If the pigs do go down (and they will as soon as they run out of decent loanees) I wouldn't like to be Mandaric facing the fans after NW's quote.

 

[vorpal blade]

Ah the Peter Principle,

"The Peter Principle is a proposition that states that the members of an organization where promotion is based on achievement, success, and merit will eventually be promoted beyond their level of ability. " (thanks Wiki P)

I spoke to a QPR fan on 606 online when they had just won promotion to the top table. He asked what we (Unitedites) felt Warnock would be able to acheive there.

I told him then that I felt based on the way he selected teams for us, (i.e. too defensively away from home) it was likely he would NOT be good enough to keep QPR up and that therefore he should be replaced.

But a chairman must be both callous and incredibly thick skinned to have the balls to do sack the manager who has just got you up. They act hard but they seldom are.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Except...QPR didn't go down under Warnock. They weren't even in the relegation zone when he left them.
QPR did what you've suggested and replaced him with 2 different "proven" Premiership managers.
Both Hughes and Redknapp have a worse Premiership record with QPR than Warnock.
They are the managers who took them down, Warnock might have kept them up.

 

[madeinsheffield]

I think that "out of his depth" is a bit of a myth. We did as well as most people expected us to do. given the players we had. I think most of us would have taken 38 points at the start of the season and taken our chances as to whether that would be enough to avoid relegation. It would have been in many seasons.

We did do better than most thought, and yes there was cheating that season but we still were not good enough to be safe, I put a lot of that at NW's door. There were some games we should have won and didn't.

But that's the beauty of football and forums, everyone has an opinion and here's a place to express it.......I'm right though lol

 

[vorpal blade]

No Sothall.

They didn't get rid of him immediately after he'd won them promotion did they?

That's what I suggested was the logic based on his track record.

 

[vorpal blade]

And managers are callous enough to ditch players when they are promoted, so if its sauce for the goose?........

 

[Darren]

No Sothall.

They didn't get rid of him immediately after he'd won them promotion did they?

That's what I suggested was the logic based on his track record.

Just out of interest, which proven PL manager do you think we ought to have got in summer 2006 who would have taken the job?

 

[vorpal blade]

At the time of our last promotion (ever?), I thought Warnock would be successful in the Premiership. I thought at times we had played so well in the promotion season that there was something for HIM to build on.

I didn't like the constant buying and selling revolving door policy of his, (whatever the reason) and I seem to remember feeling a bit dismayed at some of the comings and goings that summer.

But in retrospect I have changed my mind or at least for the sake of playing Devil's advocate on t'internet. This based on what happened that season.

I don't remember who the heck was available as manager at that time. But in the spirit of the question I am trying to think of someone.

OK, if I knew then what I know now and given that in my opinion and yours, most of the managers in the league bar the top 4 (ish) are just failures and those top ones are a bit too pricey, I'd have gone abroad or gone for a debutant. So a recently retired top class footballer who fancied the challenge, its a right old guess at this distance and I know I'm on a hiding to nothing....

Zidane? Rui Costa, was Platini working for UEFA back then? Bergkamp? Veron assuming Cruyff didn't want the gig! Classy players, who know the meaning of creativity and speak English and are therefore more educated than nearly any English players though I'm not sure Zizu is that bright (we'd deal with that at interview!). Of English ex-players THEN I reckon only Lineker would be clever enough (Spanish and Japanese spoken) BUT he's been far too clever to ever bother becoming a manager.

Btw the best buy that summer was Colin Kazim-Richards and Warnock hardly gave him a chance imo.

 

[judge]

Our highest earner that season was jags on 13k a week ( the lowest in the league that year) which sort of tells its own story as to what sort of wagw bill he had , which im almost certain he didnt set

He had talks with benny mccarthy who wanted 50k a week, well out of our wage structure he went to Blackburn and scored shedloads of goals

He got us there on the cheap and was expected to keep us there onnthe cheap even tony pullis was given money to spend

 

[Sothall_Blade]

At the time of our last promotion (ever?), I thought Warnock would be successful in the Premiership. I thought at times we had played so well in the promotion season that there was something for HIM to build on.

I didn't like the constant buying and selling revolving door policy of his, (whatever the reason) and I seem to remember feeling a bit dismayed at some of the comings and goings that summer.

But in retrospect I have changed my mind or at least for the sake of playing Devil's advocate on t'internet. This based on what happened that season.

I don't remember who the heck was available as manager at that time. But in the spirit of the question I am trying to think of someone.

OK, if I knew then what I know now and given that in my opinion and yours, most of the managers in the league bar the top 4 (ish) are just failures and those top ones are a bit too pricey, I'd have gone abroad or gone for a debutant. So a recently retired top class footballer who fancied the challenge, its a right old guess at this distance and I know I'm on a hiding to nothing....

Zidane? Rui Costa, was Platini working for UEFA back then? Bergkamp? Veron assuming Cruyff didn't want the gig! Classy players, who know the meaning of creativity and speak English and are therefore more educated than nearly any English players though I'm not sure Zizu is that bright (we'd deal with that at interview!). Of English ex-players THEN I reckon only Lineker would be clever enough (Spanish and Japanese spoken) BUT he's been far too clever to ever bother becoming a manager.

Btw the best buy that summer was Colin Kazim-Richards and Warnock hardly gave him a chance imo.

If I had known you were only taking the piss, I wouldn't have bothered replying.

 

[sothall blade]

We did do better than most thought, and yes there was cheating that season but we still were not good enough to be safe, I put a lot of that at NW's door. There were some games we should have won and didn't.

But that's the beauty of football and forums, everyone has an opinion and here's a place to express it.......I'm right though lol

correct young man,we should not have been relying on others to help us out come the end of the season,we all new what liverpool,man utd were going to do with massive games coming up for them,the book stops with the manager,he chooses the team and tactics and playing one up front away from home in games we should have won was down to the manager,have we not had a manager who played 1 up front recently ? look were we are now !

 

[oldblade]

correct young man,we should not have been relying on others to help us out come the end of the season,we all new what liverpool,man utd were going to do with massive games coming up for them,the book stops with the manager,he chooses the team and tactics and playing one up front away from home in games we should have won was down to the manager,have we not had a manager who played 1 up front recently ? look were we are now !

If justice had been done and West Ham had been docked points we wouldn't have been relying on others. In the premier league it seems cheats do actually prosper.

 

[Kentblade]

Still prospering with the possibility that they will take over the Olympic stadium and put a dent into Leyton Orient's future prospects.
UTB

 

[metalblade]

As usual it is the pantomime season and as usual it is all about Colin, the daft cunt's tractor must have broke down or maybe he is getting a bit skint what better way to put himself in the shop window than to stir half of Sheffield up ? In fact he may even stir up half of the Unitedites too and slap McCabe across the face at the same time. I think it has already been mentioned on this thread about his arrogance and over inflated ego, decent manager in the lower leagues but as a person still a cunt. I just can't believe how quite a few pigs all of a sudden think he is a decent manager jeez they really do deserve each other.

 

[Kev Gee]

Heard on Radio Hallam yesterday that Warnock IS on a 5 man shortlist.

Confirmed by Mandrake.

 

[Droppingwell]

It will be brilliant if he gets it. Warnock may, purely as a manager be good enough to keep them up. However there will be such a poisonous atmosphere at the sty, he won't have a chance. Pig fans were chanting Warnock is a W, at their match on Tuesday apparently and he hasn't even got the job yet. It will be like Steve Keen at Blackburn.

 

[brownie4583]

It will be brilliant if he gets it. Warnock may, purely as a manager be good enough to keep them up. However there will be such a poisonous atmosphere at the sty, he won't have a chance. Pig fans were chanting Warnock is a W, at their match on Tuesday apparently and he hasn't even got the job yet. It will be like Steve Keen at Blackburn.

It would be hilarious if he got it,i hope he does

 

[sothall blade]

If justice had been done and West Ham had been docked points we wouldn't have been relying on others. In the premier league it seems cheats do actually prosper.

possible docked points scenario,weakened team selections have fuck all to do with it,we should have been concentrating on ourselves and getting the results required. correct or incorrect team tactics/selections IS down to the manager, FACT. anything else that comes after achieving survival is a bonus

 

[davidpinder]

As Warnock says in his book get him in an interview and he very rarely doesn't get the job.

 

[davidpinder]

latest odds

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/sheff-wed/next-permanent-manager

 

[djbaldken]

As usual it is the pantomime season and as usual it is all about Colin, the daft cunt's tractor must have broke down or maybe he is getting a bit skint what better way to put himself in the shop window than to stir half of Sheffield up ? In fact he may even stir up half of the Unitedites too and slap McCabe across the face at the same time. I think it has already been mentioned on this thread about his arrogance and over inflated ego, decent manager in the lower leagues but as a person still a cunt. I just can't believe how quite a few pigs all of a sudden think he is a decent manager jeez they really do deserve each other.

Personally I think its a big Warnock wind up. He always used to love winding the porkers up. And now he s got them at it in spades. Last night on Talkpork I was splitting my sides laughing at some of them. At about 6 45 one of them was absolutely spitting mad 'There is no way he is fit to run a MASSIVE club like mine!!! This is a MASSIVE club we dont want the likes of him here. If he comes to my MASSIVE club i'll only go once just to hurl abuse at him. We are MASSIVE we are we dont want him anywhere near. ' He went on adinfinitum every other word being MASSIVE. He more or less said he d rather they went down than have Warnock as manager.

'As usual it is the pantomime season' is dead right, some porkers are coming on spouting, almost begging him, to come 'OH YES we want him every day and twice on sunday' and the rest OH NO we dont want him near us ever!!



Pure comedy.
Just about sums them up.

 

[judge]

possible docked points scenario,weakened team selections have fuck all to do with it,we should have been concentrating on ourselves and getting the results required. correct or incorrect team tactics/selections IS down to the manager, FACT. anything else that comes after achieving survival is a bonus

Dont think any of that stuff had any bearing on our results that season , people talk about the villa game like all we had to do was turn up at villa park with 2 upfront and we would have romp ed home and the same at bolton , squads worth probably about 100 million more than ours

We finished on 38 points , warnock had achieved his objective of a point a game which normally would have been enough but that season one of the teams was using two world class players illegally and they got more than that and stayed up instead of us minusna 5m pound fine

One of them now plays for one of the best club sides ever and the other plys his trade at juventus after earning his owners over 100 million in transfer fees

 

[Pedro Verde]

Dont think any of that stuff had any bearing on our results that season , people talk about the villa game like all we had to do was turn up at villa park with 2 upfront and we would have romp ed home and the same at bolton , squads worth probably about 100 million more than ours

We finished on 38 points , warnock had achieved his objective of a point a game which normally would have been enough but that season one of the teams was using two world class players illegally and they got more than that and stayed up instead of us minusna 5m pound fine

One of them now plays for one of the best club sides ever and the other plys his trade at juventus after earning his owners over 100 million in transfer fees

Our away for was pretty dire, I remember we played at Man City they were absolute garbage the game was there for the taking and we were happy to take away a point, if we had shown some attacking desire we would have more than likely come away with all 3 points.
If Warnocks objective was a point a game then I would seriously doubt his intelligence
Im fed up of everyone blaming the Tevez fiasco