Norwood's stats. 96 games-2 goals-2 assists.

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Mixed bag yesterday ,seems to have oceans of time and space but was wayward and ponderous in possession but snappy in the tackle and closed down well
 
I'm sure he's already taken flowers and choccies round to Max Lowes for being responsible for derailing his season.

Has he apologised for hurting Max Lowe yet? Just seen Claude Makelele's stats. 4 goals in total for Madrid, Chelsea and PSG. Yet there will be some people who think he was a good player. Idiots.

Blaming Norwood alone for this is ridiculous.

Doyle's corner wasn't played into the right area. Norwood was trying to run onto the ball to hit it in his stride, but it was too far in front of him so he had to check his run and spin.
Lowe's not blameless in that passage of play either. He passed it to Norwood off the floor and Norwood immediately turned into danger. If Lowe had peeled further left after the pass, he could have received it back and took it out wide, but he drifted backwards, not really showing for the pass back.

Angle of pass:
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Norwood wanted it, and expected it here:
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Here's Norwood having to turn to get the ball:
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Lowe passes it back, first time:
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Lowe doesn't peel forcing Norwood back inside
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Baldock didn't show for it
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and Norwood was under pressure
 
I think he’s been excellent this season but he had an off day for sure yesterday.
 
Also, he's involved in many a goal that he doesn't assist.

For example, Lowe's goal against Blackburn? It's his ball that Anel runs onto and squares for Lowe to score. It's a fantastic ball that won't appear on any stat website. Great movement from Anel BTW, and that perhaps explains why Norwood looks a better player this year. When other players, are making runs and giving him options he "makes us tick". When we are static and teams are "getting at us", he's prone to looking ineffective and weak.
Pass to assist numbers are a great metric that is often overlooked.
 
Blaming Norwood alone for this is ridiculous.

Doyle's corner wasn't played into the right area. Norwood was trying to run onto the ball to hit it in his stride, but it was too far in front of him so he had to check his run and spin.
Lowe's not blameless in that passage of play either. He passed it to Norwood off the floor and Norwood immediately turned into danger. If Lowe had peeled further left after the pass, he could have received it back and took it out wide, but he drifted backwards, not really showing for the pass back.

Angle of pass:
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Norwood wanted it, and expected it here:
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Here's Norwood having to turn to get the ball:
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Lowe passes it back, first time:
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Lowe doesn't peel forcing Norwood back inside
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Baldock didn't show for it
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and Norwood was under pressure
You need to post these in the thread about that corner routine. The general idea of hitting the odd one to the edge of the box is Ok in thoery but looking at these images it's supper risky as Norwood is the last man, so any mistake in either the delivery or control and we are exposed. Time to kick it into touch as they are currently trying it
 
They use the pass to assist in the NHL .It is can get ridiculous two players add assists and points to their season tally. They can ask for a bigger contract which the players union and agents want ,more money for point totals . It takes announcers an age to get the time of the goal and all the names on the public address system.
 
He's undoubtedly one of the best number 6s in the division, you can prove it with stats or use your eyes. He also speaks well, has a great mentality and plenty of leadership qualities.

If we get promoted this season, he could be one of the only survivors from the previous promotion season that keep a starting place (Egan, Baldock may be edged out by Bogle).

Pivotal roles in two fantastic teams should have him up their as one of our finest. The stick he gets blows my mind.
 
Blaming Norwood alone for this is ridiculous.

Doyle's corner wasn't played into the right area. Norwood was trying to run onto the ball to hit it in his stride, but it was too far in front of him so he had to check his run and spin.
Lowe's not blameless in that passage of play either. He passed it to Norwood off the floor and Norwood immediately turned into danger. If Lowe had peeled further left after the pass, he could have received it back and took it out wide, but he drifted backwards, not really showing for the pass back.

Angle of pass:
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Norwood wanted it, and expected it here:
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Here's Norwood having to turn to get the ball:
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Lowe passes it back, first time:
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Lowe doesn't peel forcing Norwood back inside
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Baldock didn't show for it
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and Norwood was under pressure

Interesting. And your analysis of the same routine costing a goal at Watford?
 
He's undoubtedly one of the best number 6s in the division, you can prove it with stats or use your eyes. He also speaks well, has a great mentality and plenty of leadership qualities.

If we get promoted this season, he could be one of the only survivors from the previous promotion season that keep a starting place (Egan, Baldock may be edged out by Bogle).

Pivotal roles in two fantastic teams should have him up their as one of our finest. The stick he gets blows my mind.

Probably because he actually causes every bit as many problems when under pressure as is creative when not. quite straightforward.
 
Probably because he actually causes every bit as many problems when under pressure as is creative when not. quite straightforward.
Every player in his role creates problems when under pressure. I've watched Xavi, Carrick, Rodri, Jorginho etc do the same.

I suppose playing hoofball you get to watch midfielders not create problems for their teams. This is because they barely touch the ball, and when they do it just gets hooked over the top.
 
Interesting. And your analysis of the same routine costing a goal at Watford?
Well Norwood took the corner that time and played it perfectly to Fleck.
Fleck hit it but it was blocked.
The corner didn't cause the goal, it was Fleck and RND seemingly just leaving the ball on the halfway line.
Lapse in concentration from both maybe?
Either of them could have tapped the ball across to Lowe but both left it.
 
Every player in his role creates problems when under pressure. I've watched Xavi, Carrick, Rodri, Jorginho etc do the same.

I suppose playing hoofball you get to watch midfielders not create problems for their teams. This is because they barely touch the ball, and when they do it just gets hooked over the top.

None of the players you mention have caused the problems Norwood has when pressed and the reason why is incredibly simple. Norwood plays at a level so far below the others his ability to play under pressure is incredibly lower than theirs. Bit silly to think differently.
 



None of the players you mention have caused the problems Norwood has when pressed and the reason why is incredibly simple. Norwood plays at a level so far below the others his ability to play under pressure is incredibly lower than theirs. Bit silly to think differently.
Good job we aren't in the Champions League then. Norwood is a top class Championship 6. The relative benefit he gives to us is similar to what world class 6s give to world class teams.

How many promotions has he got from this division? How many managers have seen what you can't see? Look at his stats, it's all there pal.
 
I think Doyle will help mitigate attempts to shutdown Norwood. He’s got more energy and drive than Fleck and is able to distribute the ball like Norwood. You close Norwood down and it leaves Doyle more space to get the ball quickly or even under pressure and dictate play. That wasn’t Flecks game and didn’t play to his strengths.
 
None of the players you mention have caused the problems Norwood has when pressed and the reason why is incredibly simple. Norwood plays at a level so far below the others his ability to play under pressure is incredibly lower than theirs. Bit silly to think differently.
Get him out hes shit, we would be top of the league if it wasnt for him.

Fucking hell 🤦‍♂️
 
Get him out hes shit, we would be top of the league if it wasnt for him.

Fucking hell 🤦‍♂️
Max Lowe would'nt be out for a month or so if it wasn't for him. That's for sure! Hollywood balls when no pressure on him. A liability when there is.
 
May be an image of text that says 'Ollie Norwood this season (rank in Championship central midfielders) Shots- 13 (4th) Chances created- 18 (1st) Accurate passes 510 (3rd) Tackles won- 25 (1st) Interceptions- 14 (4th)'


What a liability.
 
May be an image of text that says 'Ollie Norwood this season (rank in Championship central midfielders) Shots- 13 (4th) Chances created- 18 (1st) Accurate passes 510 (3rd) Tackles won- 25 (1st) Interceptions- 14 (4th)''Ollie Norwood this season (rank in Championship central midfielders) Shots- 13 (4th) Chances created- 18 (1st) Accurate passes 510 (3rd) Tackles won- 25 (1st) Interceptions- 14 (4th)'


What a liability.
Ok, but once someone has gone public with a ridiculous statement about a player they are obviously going to double down on it and desperately try to defend it in a vain attempt to avoid looking daft no matter what the stats say.
 
Blaming Norwood alone for this is ridiculous.

Doyle's corner wasn't played into the right area. Norwood was trying to run onto the ball to hit it in his stride, but it was too far in front of him so he had to check his run and spin.
Lowe's not blameless in that passage of play either. He passed it to Norwood off the floor and Norwood immediately turned into danger. If Lowe had peeled further left after the pass, he could have received it back and took it out wide, but he drifted backwards, not really showing for the pass back.

Angle of pass:
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Norwood wanted it, and expected it here:
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Here's Norwood having to turn to get the ball:
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Lowe passes it back, first time:
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Lowe doesn't peel forcing Norwood back inside
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Baldock didn't show for it
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and Norwood was under pressure
Just looking at that last picture, the ball to play would have been just to the right of where the ref is and the Blade to the left of McBurnie, possibly Anel, is favourite to get to it first. Easy to say obvs, however what you don't do is try a cruyff turn when you're the last man and you've got the speed of a snail.
 

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