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Biff bang wallop !

BIFF - Supporter Communications Manager - Same Owd

45+ years i've had enuff ...............to many yes men !

Action thats what i want !!!
 

Do you know him bb?

Is he a yes man?

I never liked Biffa but willing to give him a chance.

What can we lose?
 
Out of interest, why not?

I was encouraged to join many years ago and I always have problem with a "voice" of the fans.

I don't agree....with Blades related stuff....with most of the people who i'd say are friends of mine on this web site and off line.

It doesn't mean I'm not friends or I don't respect their views though.

I think the Tom Hark sums it up.....I hate it it.....most on here hate it......but....

How many join in when we score?

Are we right?
 
I was encouraged to join many years ago and I always have problem with a "voice" of the fans.

I don't agree....with Blades related stuff....with most of the people who i'd say are friends of mine on this web site and off line.

It doesn't mean I'm not friends or I don't respect their views though.

I think the Tom Hark sums it up.....I hate it it.....most on here hate it......but....

How many join in when we score?

Are we right?

I understand what you are saying. Fans of any club are such a diverse bunch, with such varying opinions, that I don't think its possible to have a "voice of the fans".

BIFA was born out of necessity, when the club was at a lower ebb than it is today. It was the biggest fans' movement of any club in the country, but was it representative of a majority of the fans? Probably not. I think that's why it dealt with the issue of the day, which was Brealey, and then ceased to do anything really meaningful once he had gone. As much as it tried hard not to be, with hindsight it ended up being a single issue pressure group.

That's why I don't envy Richard. As far as I see it, his job is to take the views of as many fans as possible on lots of different issues, and then somehow distill that into coherent, broadly representative messages for the people at the club who can change things. He would have enough of a job doing that with just the posters on this forum, imagine what it will be like with all the thousands of opinions that will be flying at him from all directions over the next few weeks.
 
I understand what you are saying. Fans of any club are such a diverse bunch, with such varying opinions, that I don't think its possible to have a "voice of the fans".

BIFA was born out of necessity, when the club was at a lower ebb than it is today. It was the biggest fans' movement of any club in the country, but was it representative of a majority of the fans? Probably not. I think that's why it dealt with the issue of the day, which was Brealey, and then ceased to do anything really meaningful once he had gone. As much as it tried hard not to be, with hindsight it ended up being a single issue pressure group.

That's why I don't envy Richard. As far as I see it, his job is to take the views of as many fans as possible on lots of different issues, and then somehow distill that into coherent, broadly representative messages for the people at the club who can change things. He would have enough of a job doing that with just the posters on this forum, imagine what it will be like with all the thousands of opinions that will be flying at him from all directions over the next few weeks.

I still think he should try. I've been there in my my life where you stand up and be counted and judged.

If you don't try nothing changes.

It's better to get some coherent views about things at United than coments about the blokes girth.

Let's give him a chance and hope he can improve the experience.

:)
 
What harm do you think they did?

Well its just an impression i got at the time, but I don't remember being asked as a fan for them to be appointed as my/ our voice. They seemed to act on what they thought was right, but I don't know it ever was. There seemed to be agenda's, Wednesdayite were the same for Wednesday and look what a mess they helped to put the pigs in

Perhaps you were involved and can put me right.
 
I still think he should try. I've been there in my my life where you stand up and be counted and judged.

If you don't try nothing changes.

It's better to get some coherent views about things at United than coments about the blokes girth.

Let's give him a chance and hope he can improve the experience.

:)

I totally agree that he should try, I think its a very positive move, and I'll certainly be putting my tuppenorth in.

I'm just thinking about the reception it got on Bladesmad, and I'm feeling sorry for him. You can just tell what's coming.
 
Biff bang wallop !

BIFF - Supporter Communications Manager - Same Owd

45+ years i've had enuff ...............to many yes men !

Action thats what i want !!!

all soundbites again,BB. Be specific,what action do you want from BIFF/Supporter Communication Manager ?

or are you just attention seeking as usual?
 
Well its just an impression i got at the time, but I don't remember being asked as a fan for them to be appointed as my/ our voice. They seemed to act on what they thought was right, but I don't know it ever was. There seemed to be agenda's, Wednesdayite were the same for Wednesday and look what a mess they helped to put the pigs in

Perhaps you were involved and can put me right.

I was involved.

It stemmed from a letter in the Green 'Un straight after the relegation from the PL. A small group of very different Blades responded, held a meeting and then leafleted outside the ground. The next thing, we hadover 2,000 peopl e wanting to join, which pretty well overwhelmed us. Remember, this was before the internet, and newsletters etc had to be delivered by hand, as we weren't prepared to spend the members' funds on postage in the early days.

BIFA never claimed to be the "Voice of the fans", and it was certainly never recognised as such by the club, quite the opposite in fact, they wouldn't communicate with us. Tony Pritchett, who was in the club's pocket and liked to travel to away games on the team coach, was also extremely hostile to us for "rocking the boat". But from comments we received outside the ground on match days, we seemed to have a broad groundswell of support. It was also extremely democratic.

We were very well aware that we didn't speak for all fans, just the members, and because of this we took decisions such as never criticising the manager no matter what was happening on the pitch. Our gripe was with the way the club was being governed, and we wanted to do something about it, which we did, and got a result. It was clear that Brealey could only take us even further backwards if he stayed because he was worse than skint and the club was massively in debt - remember we once more had a 3 sided ground at the time, and had been reduced to Bassett paying Brian Gayle's transfer fee out of his own pocket. Bassett was clandestinely supportive of us by the way.

Was it ultimately successful? It seemed so at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight, I really don't know, that's for others to judge.
 
I was involved.

It stemmed from a letter in the Green 'Un straight after the relegation from the PL. A small group of very different Blades responded, held a meeting and then leafleted outside the ground. The next thing, we hadover 2,000 peopl e wanting to join, which pretty well overwhelmed us. Remember, this was before the internet, and newsletters etc had to be delivered by hand, as we weren't prepared to spend the members' funds on postage in the early days.

BIFA never claimed to be the "Voice of the fans", and it was certainly never recognised as such by the club, quite the opposite in fact, they wouldn't communicate with us. Tony Pritchett, who was in the club's pocket and liked to travel to away games on the team coach, was also extremely hostile to us for "rocking the boat". But from comments we received outside the ground on match days, we seemed to have a broad groundswell of support. It was also extremely democratic.

We were very well aware that we didn't speak for all fans, just the members, and because of this we took decisions such as never criticising the manager no matter what was happening on the pitch. Our gripe was with the way the club was being governed, and we wanted to do something about it, which we did, and got a result. It was clear that Brealey could only take us even further backwards if he stayed because he was worse than skint and the club was massively in debt - remember we once more had a 3 sided ground at the time, and had been reduced to Bassett paying Brian Gayle's transfer fee out of his own pocket. Bassett was clandestinely supportive of us by the way.

Was it ultimately successful? It seemed so at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight, I really don't know, that's for others to judge.

Thanks for that NJ, some stuff I didn't know there.

I don't know if the changes were a direct result of BIFA, but as I said the impression I got was very much of a Trade Union and despite what you say I don't believe that it was democratic as perhaps you believe.

These groups obviously come along during the bad times and perhaps thats why i've been extremely cautious about what their role could and should be.

I think there are always personal agenda's in these things.

Its not to say that I don't back any sort of communication improvements from either the club or the fans, I'm always in favour of progress.
 

I don't know if the changes were a direct result of BIFA, but as I said the impression I got was very much of a Trade Union and despite what you say I don't believe that it was democratic as perhaps you believe.

I think there are always personal agenda's in these things.

As far as its membership was concerned, it was very democratic and very transparent. That's why it never claimed to speak for all fans, just the members.

I got to know everybody on the Steering Committee well, and some remain good friends to this day. I wasn't aware of any personal agendas, and nothing that has happened in the years since have led me to think otherwise. It was well intentioned, and populated by people as diverse as retired grandmothers, mechanics, lawyers, youth workers, students and pretty well anything else you can think of. The one common bond was wanting the best for SUFC.
 
As far as its membership was concerned, it was very democratic and very transparent. That's why it never claimed to speak for all fans, just the members.

I got to know everybody on the Steering Committee well, and some remain good friends to this day. I wasn't aware of any personal agendas, and nothing that has happened in the years since have led me to think otherwise. It was well intentioned, and populated by people as diverse as retired grandmothers, mechanics, lawyers, youth workers, students and pretty well anything else you can think of. The one common bond was wanting the best for SUFC.

Fair enough NJ and thanks again for the insight. It wasn't a particularly informed opinion, just the impression that I got at the time
 
Fair enough NJ and thanks again for the insight. It wasn't a particularly informed opinion, just the impression that I got at the time

I can understand that. One thing we learned a lot about, the hard way, was PR. We were naive at first, and were bad at it, which resulted in some unfair and inaccurate press that probably coloured a few opinions.

A prime example was the Xmas cards we delivered to Brealey's house on Xmas Eve. As expected, the press were outside. After we had left, having had a convivial chat in Brealey's living room for about an hour putting our views across sensibly, shaking hands & wishing each other a Merry Xmas, Brealey gave a statement to the press saying that we had delivered a load of obscene and insulting messages. Of course, this got reported.

The thing is, the previous night one of our number and his wife had sat up until the early hours destroying every single card (a couple of hundred out of thousands) that contained an obscene or insulting message. We learned a lot that day.
 

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