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After 30 odd years, Blue Peter are still waiting for proper replacements for John Noakes and Peter Purves. Simon Groom was only really a stop gap signing, Peter Duncan was... well... just plain shite and then they went and re-signed him again about 3 years after he left (Billy Sharp and Donny anyone?). Just look at the garbage they've had since eh?* It's not just us that gets it wrong you know...

* Not including Janet Ellis, Caron Keating and Konnie Huq who are obviously wank candy of the highest order... :)
 

Do you really think that we can go and persuade a first team player from a Championship or Premiership side to come and play for us, 4th bottom of Division 3??


Yes. Money talks. Now is the time for investment, not the summer. Wait until the summer and the impetus is gone, especially if we have spent the last three months struggling against relegation - or even god forbid - relegated.

My questions still stand. Why was Al Allly brought in? Is he going to get his hands in his pockets and shell out for some much needed talent at all levels and if not, what was McCabe's strategy in bringing him in?

We can whip ourselves into a frenzy all we want about Brayford and his assumed 'value'. Truth is if he was worth that value, he wouldn't be at BDTBL would he? What is the arrangement with him and Scargill anyway? You can have one talented individual in the team - a defender - and the rest of the team play like shitwipe. What then? Brayford 9/10 MotM. Everyone else 3/10. 0-3 defect to another former non-league side at home?

Perspective.

pommpey
 
My questions still stand. Why was Al Allly brought in? Is he going to get his hands in his pockets and shell out for some much needed talent at all levels and if not, what was McCabe's strategy in bringing him in?

Because he paid off the debt the club owed to McCabe. So now KM has his money back.
Oh and some rhetoric about investment on the pitch...jury's still out on that one, but doubt HRH would have just paid off KM's debt without wanting to see a successful team, as there's nothing in it for him otherwise.
 
Yes. Money talks. Now is the time for investment, not the summer. Wait until the summer and the impetus is gone, especially if we have spent the last three months struggling against relegation - or even god forbid - relegated.

We can whip ourselves into a frenzy all we want about Brayford and his assumed 'value'. Truth is if he was worth that value, he wouldn't be at BDTBL would he? What is the arrangement with him and Scargill anyway? You can have one talented individual in the team - a defender - and the rest of the team play like shitwipe. What then? Brayford 9/10 MotM. Everyone else 3/10. 0-3 defect to another former non-league side at home?

Perspective.

pommpey


So money talks unless the players are worth something in which case they wouldn't be a BDBL?? What??

So you're now saying we can't get any player of any value no matter how much money we throw at them?

Blimey change you're mind more than my missus does .
 
After 30 odd years, Blue Peter are still waiting for proper replacements for John Noakes and Peter Purves. Simon Groom was only really a stop gap signing, Peter Duncan was... well... just plain shite and then they went and re-signed him again about 3 years after he left (Billy Sharp and Donny anyone?). Just look at the garbage they've had since eh?* It's not just us that gets it wrong you know...

* Not including Janet Ellis, Caron Keating and Konnie Huq who are obviously wank candy of the highest order... :)


Yes, I took this picture of Konnie Huq watching you ... ;)

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After 30 odd years, Blue Peter are still waiting for proper replacements for John Noakes and Peter Purves. Simon Groom was only really a stop gap signing, Peter Duncan was... well... just plain shite and then they went and re-signed him again about 3 years after he left (Billy Sharp and Donny anyone?). Just look at the garbage they've had since eh?* It's not just us that gets it wrong you know...

* Not including Janet Ellis, Caron Keating and Konnie Huq who are obviously wank candy of the highest order... :)
Here , here that man until I read that last line was starting to get a bit worried ;)
 
Because he paid off the debt the club owed to McCabe. So now KM has his money back.

No he didn't. He told McCabe to write off the debt, meaning McCabe was actually worse off (£1 stadium, £1 office block and £1 hotel notwithstanding) for once.

Abdullah's investment was just £1 (funny how that figure keeps cropping up) to get on the board.
 
No he didn't. He told McCabe to write off the debt, meaning McCabe was actually worse off (£1 stadium, £1 office block and £1 hotel notwithstanding) for once.

Abdullah's investment was just £1 (funny how that figure keeps cropping up) to get on the board.
Not to mention the Business Centre, another one swept under the carpet
 
Still a bit underwhelmed. These are squad players at best, and hardly bring an energising footballing mentality to a team bereft of direction and ability.

pommpey
Spoke to one of my son's former football manager last night. He and his sons are Derby season ticket holders and said that Brayford was the best right sided player in the Championship division when he was at Derby
 
Spoke to one of my son's former football manager last night. He and his sons are Derby season ticket holders and said that Brayford was the best right sided player in the Championship division when he was at Derby
Got player of the year 11/12 didnt he?
 
So money talks unless the players are worth something in which case they wouldn't be a BDBL?? What??

So you're now saying we can't get any player of any value no matter how much money we throw at them?

Blimey change you're mind more than my missus does .

Yes, money does talk. And I am not talking about some fairly anonymous benchwarmer from the upper leagues who has lost traction on his initial investment. If we are serious about this fucking game, intend fighting our way out of the relegation dogfight, finishing in a respectable position in the upper region of the division and setting ourselves up for a massive task next season of securing automatic then the task starts NOW, not in the summer. And by that I mean Abdullah and McCabe allowing Cluffy to shop properly for players he wants, not oddbin scraps and sell-ons. Money = wages for loanees, or investment in good quality players between £500k and £1.5m. We need a steady goalie, another centre half, two mobile left and right backs, a midfield playmaker, a midfield attacker, a brace of skilful, fast wingers and most of all, three strikers who are able to read the midfield intent, position themselves accordingly and thump the fucking ball in the net to the tune of thirty or forty goals between them. Okay, that's a full shopping basket I know, but one full back from Cardiff and a fairly burned out striker from Doncaster doesn't make me believe, as it didn't when he came in, that Abdullah is here for much more than his own interest and not ours, which is seeing our club climb the leagues. Don't give me 'give them time'. Cluff is an adequate, capable manger - he has proved that by occasionally stopping us getting dicked more than we used to under Weird.

Take it from me, you can pour neat optimism on this sorry debacle, but it won't see us climb this godforsaken table and get us out of trouble. We used to have these damned conversations when we were once a wronged Championship side - oh, stop being so negative, eh? - and look where that got us.

pommpey
 

Yes, money does talk. And I am not talking about some fairly anonymous benchwarmer from the upper leagues who has lost traction on his initial investment. If we are serious about this fucking game, intend fighting our way out of the relegation dogfight, finishing in a respectable position in the upper region of the division and setting ourselves up for a massive task next season of securing automatic then the task starts NOW, not in the summer. And by that I mean Abdullah and McCabe allowing Cluffy to shop properly for players he wants, not oddbin scraps and sell-ons. Money = wages for loanees, or investment in good quality players between £500k and £1.5m. We need a steady goalie, another centre half, two mobile left and right backs, a midfield playmaker, a midfield attacker, a brace of skilful, fast wingers and most of all, three strikers who are able to read the midfield intent, position themselves accordingly and thump the fucking ball in the net to the tune of thirty or forty goals between them. Okay, that's a full shopping basket I know, but one full back from Cardiff and a fairly burned out striker from Doncaster doesn't make me believe, as it didn't when he came in, that Abdullah is here for much more than his own interest and not ours, which is seeing our club climb the leagues. Don't give me 'give them time'. Cluff is an adequate, capable manger - he has proved that by occasionally stopping us getting dicked more than we used to under Weird.

Take it from me, you can pour neat optimism on this sorry debacle, but it won't see us climb this godforsaken table and get us out of trouble. We used to have these damned conversations when we were once a wronged Championship side - oh, stop being so negative, eh? - and look where that got us.

pommpey

It's difficult to know whether to bin your rant or try and apply a tone that's far more considered than you appear capable of. Someone else on here referred to your 'borderline offensive shite', which I have to say does make disentangling your antagonism a little difficult. You seem to have it in for Prince Abdullah, and the 'let's make fun of the man with the funny name' music hall rhetoric fits in nicely with your own close to-the-edge brand of antipathy towards the Westernised Oriental Gentleman who happens to be the co-chairman of SUFC.

In no particular order;

1: Who do you think financed the costlier players amongst Weir's signings?

2: Who do you think financed the settlement when Weir and his staff were sacked by SUFC?

3: You seem either convinced by the notion that money talks, or are blind to any other point of view that differs from your own.
Do you really believe that someone like Coventry's Clarke would drop down to play for SUFC? If so it might be that behind that vociferous blast of yours you might just be the teeniest bit gullible? If you believe that money is the be all and end all of every argument then you're wrong, simple as. Can't wait until Wycombe offer a King's ransom for a top Championship forward and see how they take the bait? Ain't gonna happen, no way, no how.

4. Whilst I understand why you demand that the board spend now, there are a myriad number of reasons why it either makes little sense, or why it may not be possible, or why Nigel prefers to do otherwise. The fact that you are clearly vexed and about to explode with indignation doesn't really matter in the scheme of things. It's as if there's a subtext in all of this that you're right, and you want everyone to agree with you or else.

5. Clough has already said that it's going to be the summer when major surgery to the squad will happen. Yes, it would be lovely to know that we would go out and spend a small lottery win on a proven goal-scoring forward as soon as possible. It begs the question of whether the player Clough wants is available now. Rant all you want, I'll put my faith in Clough's judgement over yours any day.

I doubt whether any of the above will satisfy you or come close to answering your questions, but let's be honest, what you or I think won't make the slightest bit of difference to what happens down at t'Lane. I'd love you to have the opportunity to sit down with Nigel and watch him, in the nicest possible way, dismantle each and every one of your concerns. I can just see Nigel as he raises an eyebrow and responds, 'Do you know what Pomp old son, I never thought of any of that? Thanks for your insights, they're really going to make a humongous difference to what I'm trying to do as manager'.

Oh, one final point, do you really think that it's conversations on here that got us where we are today? Really? Is that what you're asking everyone here to believe? As if anything on here has any influence on the powers that be at BDTBL. UTB (with or without a first class goalscorer)
 
United have been terrible. But there's a few green shoots indicating we've bottomed out and the slight whiff of a little bit of optimism in the air. The usual suspects whose raison d'être is to vilify all things United, over and over in 121 different varieties, start to grasp at the odd straw putting negatives on any positive news.

Me? I'm cock-a-hoop we're even back in the mix to sign a player of Brayford's quality. Amazed he'd consider joining a bottom 6 L1 club. Either it's money, Clough or both. But in any event it augurs well for major surgery come the summer.

UTB
 
If I may ...

It's difficult to know whether to bin your rant or try and apply a tone that's far more considered than you appear capable of. Someone else on here referred to your 'borderline offensive shite', which I have to say does make disentangling your antagonism a little difficult. You seem to have it in for Prince Abdullah, and the 'let's make fun of the man with the funny name' music hall rhetoric fits in nicely with your own close to-the-edge brand of antipathy towards the Westernised Oriental Gentleman who happens to be the co-chairman of SUFC.

May have escaped your nuanced observations, IIYB but I referred to said Westernised Oriental Gentleman (and actually the perjorative term implied there is out of context, even in it's supposed satirical use) by his correct name in the post to which you refer. A small point of order there maybe, but significant.

1: Who do you think financed the costlier players amongst Weir's signings?

I don't know. But they were bloody good one's eh? I mean ... real playmakers ... good ninety minute all-rounders. Attack-minded opposition harriers. For the record, I ask you who authorised the cack-handed contract trigger that saw McDonald leave the club? How did we come to sell our top scorer last season? Beattie? Matty Lowton ... ta-ra. Costlier players? I'd say we were seen coming.

2: Who do you think financed the settlement when Weir and his staff were sacked by SUFC?

Do you mean the "shit, we hired a complete incompetent and now we are heading through the league three trapdoor. Quick. Best sack the manager before the fans dismantle Bramall Lane and carry the board through the downstairs windows at shoulder height in their underpants and vests ready for a ritual burning."? I don't CARE who financed that. I'd say they owe the fans that. Great acquisition as a manager? Based on what, exactly? Weir was a disaster, start and finish. And it wasn't the fans' fault.

3: You seem either convinced by the notion that money talks, or are blind to any other point of view that differs from your own.
Do you really believe that someone like Coventry's Clarke would drop down to play for SUFC? If so it might be that behind that vociferous blast of yours you might just be the teeniest bit gullible? If you believe that money is the be all and end all of every argument then you're wrong, simple as. Can't wait until Wycombe offer a King's ransom for a top Championship forward and see how they take the bait? Ain't gonna happen, no way, no how.

No, because in professional football, the ability to sign moderately expensive players and pay their wages means jack-shit, doesn't it? In the real world (i.e. not my gullible one) players play for the honour of wearing the shirt, or because they have fuck all better to do on a Saturday afternoon. I mean, Wayne Rooney frequently rejects his £xxx,000 per week payment because running out in his Man U shirt and kits (sponsorship = £x,000,000 per year) and other endorsements is just an unfortunate consequence of being on contract to a football club. Money means nothing. My bad. I am so wrong.

And for the record, Wycombe have not the utility of a supposed Gentleman, and a chairman who is all smiles and statements of optimism and other such visionary bullshit.

4. Whilst I understand why you demand that the board spend now, there are a myriad number of reasons why it either makes little sense, or why it may not be possible, or why Nigel prefers to do otherwise. The fact that you are clearly vexed and about to explode with indignation doesn't really matter in the scheme of things. It's as if there's a subtext in all of this that you're right, and you want everyone to agree with you or else.

Well, I am all ears. Tell me why, with a club clearly struggling and bereft of true footballing talent at a level which is clearly distressing to its supporters, Nigel would 'prefer to do it otherwise'. You don't even mention what 'otherwise' is, in fact. I would imagine, nay expect, that given our players have shown over the past handful of games that holding onto the lead or even preventing defeat is beyond them that |Sheffield United are a club in crisis. Certainly, the league table doesn't lie. So what exactly is, 'otherwise' in football? Success is about winning, and winning begets points, which serves for a higher league position and you don't get that with a playing staff incapable of achieving winning. Is that logic, or have I got that wrong?

5. Clough has already said that it's going to be the summer when major surgery to the squad will happen. Yes, it would be lovely to know that we would go out and spend a small lottery win on a proven goal-scoring forward as soon as possible. It begs the question of whether the player Clough wants is available now. Rant all you want, I'll put my faith in Clough's judgement over yours any day.

And I don't recall criticising Cluffs judgement in any posting so far. But he can't coach this team into success - they are at the physical limit of their capability. The steady outflow of real footballing talent (constant presence throughout = McCabe) has left us with substandard playing staff, struggling to keep my beloved football club from slipping gracelessly into the lowest division and please, god, no ... even beyond. I trust his judgement, believe me. But I want answers now why the board - now with a decent manager in charge and fucking good fan base (despite everything that has happened since our drop from the PL) hasn't put its money where its mouth is and given him the ability to change the squad NOW, not later, when the fanbase might not be so good. Or when we find ourselves relegated by April.

I doubt whether any of the above will satisfy you or come close to answering your questions, but let's be honest, what you or I think won't make the slightest bit of difference to what happens down at t'Lane. I'd love you to have the opportunity to sit down with Nigel and watch him, in the nicest possible way, dismantle each and every one of your concerns. I can just see Nigel as he raises an eyebrow and responds, 'Do you know what Pomp old son, I never thought of any of that? Thanks for your insights, they're really going to make a humongous difference to what I'm trying to do as manager'.

Okay. Let's just close the forum down, eh? No point in having a POV, or voicing it. No one takes a blind bit of notice. In fact, anyone who boos the club with face a lifetime ban. And if you don't see the new-world-vision laid out by McCabe, then you're obviously 'not a Blade'. Be real, IIYB. I don't care if any staff read my comments. I think - or hope - they know how we feel. I would wager many Blades (and there are three in my office, here in Portsmouth) who are looking at the calendar, logging onto the BBC Sport website, checking their mobiles and watching for the glimmers of hope that we have landed four players who will 'make the difference' and stamp a glistening hallmark on the commitment we expect by the board towards us and Cluff. Then we can get our sleeves up and get on with the business of the regeneration much talked about.

Oh, one final point, do you really think that it's conversations on here that got us where we are today? Really? Is that what you're asking everyone here to believe? As if anything on here has any influence on the powers that be at BDTBL. UTB (with or without a first class goalscorer)

Of course it does IIYB. McCabe is always on here asking me what we should do with the club, who we should buy and for good menu ideas for the Copthorne.

pommpey
 
Most clubs do their squad rebuilding in the summer including the ones that have zillions of quids to spend
The reasons being buying in January is considered panic buying therefore prices will be a lot higher
More players are available in the summer as contracts wind down so therefore you will get more VFM it is also easier to move players on in the summer that you want to get rid of.
Its been widely comunicated to fans that the major re building of the squad will be done in the Summer
 
Most clubs do their squad rebuilding in the summer including the ones that have zillions of quids to spend
The reasons being buying in January is considered panic buying therefore prices will be a lot higher
More players are available in the summer as contracts wind down so therefore you will get more VFM it is also easier to move players on in the summer that you want to get rid of.
Its been widely comunicated to fans that the major re building of the squad will be done in the Summer

Mate - hate to point this out, but ...

16 Notts County 27
17 Oldham 27
18 Carlisle 27
19 Crewe 27
20 SUFC 26
21 Shrewsbury 26
22 Tranmere 25
23 BCFC 24
24 Stevenage 22

Now call me picky, but that doesn't exactly spell out to me that we have a geological era to make our minds up about the playing staff and their capabilities and 'rough it out until the summer'. In fact, one thrown away lead to a defeat (as has been shown recently) and a turn of good fortune for the clubs below us and we are neck-deep in stools, as it were. Oh, and remind me - we are so good with games -in-hand, are we not?

I'd say panic buying of decent players above the current lot is exactly what we need. We could have panic-bought from January 1st until today, in fact.

pommpey
 
If I may ...



May have escaped your nuanced observations, IIYB but I referred to said Westernised Oriental Gentleman (and actually the perjorative term implied there is out of context, even in it's supposed satirical use) by his correct name in the post to which you refer. A small point of order there maybe, but significant.

His correct name isn't 'middle eastern bauble', or did it momentarily slip your mind and you considered this appropriate? As points of order go, that's a screamer. As for other examples of incorrect spelling of his name, you mean 'Al Ally', 'Al Allallallah' and 'Al Allalllalalalaalah', all liberally sprinkled throughout your posts. And before you comment that these aren't in the post mentioned, that was your choice to select that post, the greater point is contained within the general demeanour of your posts on this topic.

I bet when the Prince reads this (you never know), I bet he thinks 'fucking northern monkey', there, that should convince anyone if they doubt the Prince is struggling with football patois.




I don't know. But they were bloody good one's eh? I mean ... real playmakers ... good ninety minute all-rounders. Attack-minded opposition harriers. For the record, I ask you who authorised the cack-handed contract trigger that saw McDonald leave the club? How did we come to sell our top scorer last season? Beattie? Matty Lowton ... ta-ra. Costlier players? I'd say we were seen coming.

Sometimes, and it may have escaped your notice, the choice of player is down to the manager, not the board. So Weir takes the blame for any signings who don't benefit the Blades. You seem to include Baxter amongst your targets. He may not be top-notch, although I'm happy to be proved wrong, but what Clough has shown is that by seeing something that you or I might miss, he can take a player who's willing to work and improve and get more out of them. Those are facts, not opinions. You've named lots of positions that need replacing, but you've not named adequate replacements who are available. Please edify me who they might be?

I agree that the clause in KM's contract was painful to accept, but that was long before the Prince came on the scene. Who knows, without the inclusion of this clause we may not have been able to sign KM in the first place, although I do think it was a shoddy bit of negotiation on our part to let this be included in the first place.




Do you mean the "shit, we hired a complete incompetent and now we are heading through the league three trapdoor. Quick. Best sack the manager before the fans dismantle Bramall Lane and carry the board through the downstairs windows at shoulder height in their underpants and vests ready for a ritual burning."? I don't CARE who financed that. I'd say they owe the fans that. Great acquisition as a manager? Based on what, exactly? Weir was a disaster, start and finish. And it wasn't the fans' fault.

Your overuse of hyperbole doesn't enhance your argument. Hindsight's a lovely thing, but we made a mistake and we paid for it. Getting rid of Weir was the right thing to do. By saying you don't care who financed the departure of Weir and his staff it tends to suggest a selective approach to facts that have a bearing on the finances at United.

Now, are you on something, shall we call it medicinal? Where did I use the phrase 'Great acquisition as a manager?' Or are you talking as a general observation? It's a little difficult to tell the difference when the rant is so persistent.

For what it's worth, yes, Weir's tenure as manager was about as poor as it gets.




No, because in professional football, the ability to sign moderately expensive players and pay their wages means jack-shit, doesn't it? In the real world (i.e. not my gullible one) players play for the honour of wearing the shirt, or because they have fuck all better to do on a Saturday afternoon. I mean, Wayne Rooney frequently rejects his £xxx,000 per week payment because running out in his Man U shirt and kits (sponsorship = £x,000,000 per year) and other endorsements is just an unfortunate consequence of being on contract to a football club. Money means nothing. My bad. I am so wrong.

And for the record, Wycombe have not the utility of a supposed Gentleman, and a chairman who is all smiles and statements of optimism and other such visionary bullshit.

I made the point about Coventry's Clarke, you didn't answer. That silence kind of answers by default.

Again, of course venality is at the hub of football, but to be honest, it probably always has been. It's just that now a numpty can get paid millions. You're disingenuous to suggest I was suggesting that money wasn't central in today's game, all I said was that trying to persuade a player to drop to a club in our position isn't as easy as you suggest. Of course, if said player were to sign on say £20-30K per week and proved inadequate, we'd be lumbered with a player who our finances couldn't support. I wonder who'd be complaining then?




Well, I am all ears. Tell me why, with a club clearly struggling and bereft of true footballing talent at a level which is clearly distressing to its supporters, Nigel would 'prefer to do it otherwise'. You don't even mention what 'otherwise' is, in fact. I would imagine, nay expect, that given our players have shown over the past handful of games that holding onto the lead or even preventing defeat is beyond them that |Sheffield United are a club in crisis. Certainly, the league table doesn't lie. So what exactly is, 'otherwise' in football? Success is about winning, and winning begets points, which serves for a higher league position and you don't get that with a playing staff incapable of achieving winning. Is that logic, or have I got that wrong?

It might surprise you to learn I'm not part of Nigel's magic circle, much as you aren't. But the idea that there might be a reason outside of your range of possibilities seems to vex you even more than usual.

Yep, you're right for a change, the league table doesn't lie, and that hurts. Next point.




And I don't recall criticising Cluffs judgement in any posting so far. But he can't coach this team into success - they are at the physical limit of their capability. The steady outflow of real footballing talent (constant presence throughout = McCabe) has left us with substandard playing staff, struggling to keep my beloved football club from slipping gracelessly into the lowest division and please, god, no ... even beyond. I trust his judgement, believe me. But I want answers now why the board - now with a decent manager in charge and fucking good fan base (despite everything that has happened since our drop from the PL) hasn't put its money where its mouth is and given him the ability to change the squad NOW, not later, when the fanbase might not be so good. Or when we find ourselves relegated by April.

And I don't recall that any mention was made of you criticising Clough. If anyone's about to take the blame for our current plight it's McCabe, due to the quality of managerial appointments he's made or has decided to fire too quickly.
As for asking why the board hasn't done this or that, why not send them a mail, putting your demands in your best writing style, I'm sure they'd be blown away by that?

Now, I've no way of knowing this, but I don't know whether the board have or have not made substantial funds available to Clough? Maybe they have and he's told them he'd prefer to do things his way. After all, why employ a specialist if you don't allow him to get on with the job he's paid to do?




Okay. Let's just close the forum down, eh? No point in having a POV, or voicing it. No one takes a blind bit of notice. In fact, anyone who boos the club with face a lifetime ban. And if you don't see the new-world-vision laid out by McCabe, then you're obviously 'not a Blade'. Be real, IIYB. I don't care if any staff read my comments. I think - or hope - they know how we feel. I would wager many Blades (and there are three in my office, here in Portsmouth) who are looking at the calendar, logging onto the BBC Sport website, checking their mobiles and watching for the glimmers of hope that we have landed four players who will 'make the difference' and stamp a glistening hallmark on the commitment we expect by the board towards us and Cluff. Then we can get our sleeves up and get on with the business of the regeneration much talked about.

Tell you what mate, your use of extremes is a bit wearying. Never once was the suggestion made of closing this site down. I just said that whatever you or I say, it's unlikely to influence the directors or management at t'Lane. I like this site, and without being able to compare it to other supporter's sites throughout the UK, my take is that this site would be up there with the best of 'em. So, let's see, there are three supporters of the Blades in your office? Yes, I can see how that would create a paradigm shift in how the club moves forward. There's an almost biblical self-righteousness about the tone you adopt - glistening hallmark? Sounds like something out of an old testament parable.



Of course it does IIYB. McCabe is always on here asking me what we should do with the club, who we should buy and for good menu ideas for the Copthorne.

pommpey

Tell you what, it's late, so I'll do my very best to provide answers as best I can. From your tone (at least you're consistent) having a row seems right up your street, so let's see if, once again, we can talk without getting a hard on every time football is mentioned.

See between your replies (click to expand) for my responses.
 
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I bet when the Prince reads this (you never know), I bet he thinks 'fucking northern monkey', there, that should convince anyone if they doubt the Prince is struggling with football patois.

I’ll be he is. More realistically, I bet he is thinking, now I am in this, how do I get out of it. Or possibly “What? You expect me to spend money on players? Fuck that.” I doubt he is troubled by someone who can’t remember his name without Googling. Which is about the extent of me lampooning his name, by the way. Or were you implying something else? As seems to be much the cut of your jib, the nature of the argument – the given intent of our trusty board in these times of footballing crisis, seems to be smeared over by your need to revert to the ad hominem. Next, you’ll be calling me a cunt and saying I am not allowed to make a comment about our demise because I don’t go every week.

Sometimes, and it may have escaped your notice, the choice of player is down to the manager, not the board. So Weir takes the blame for any signings who don't benefit the Blades. You seem to include Baxter amongst your targets. He may not be top-notch, although I'm happy to be proved wrong, but what Clough has shown is that by seeing something that you or I might miss, he can take a player who's willing to work and improve and get more out of them. Those are facts, not opinions. You've named lots of positions that need replacing, but you've not named adequate replacements who are available. Please edify me who they might be?
So, the recent batch of duds is all down to Weir? I’d counter that the manager approaches the board based upon scouting reports and tables his case for squad augmentation based upon a good sporting judgement. The board approve the purchase based upon this and (hopefully) some advice from other sources. As for replacements, I don’t have the touchline advantage the club has. Certainly, we have seen some decent players from well-less-financially-placed clubs come and go from BDTBL in the past few seasons and some have impressed, even banged in a few key goals against us. Madden, for one example. I am sure there are more. And that is just in the clubs around us. Do they have transfer-triggers in their contracts? Do you know that?

I agree that the clause in KM's contract was painful to accept, but that was long before the Prince came on the scene. Who knows, without the inclusion of this clause we may not have been able to sign KM in the first place, although I do think it was a shoddy bit of negotiation on our part to let this be included in the first place.
Glad we agree. So, that had nowt to do with Abdullah. But it did McCabe, though. So why allow that to happen? And, given he is a player of obvious ability, why was his contract not re-negotiated when it was obvious … so bloody obvious … he would be an integral part of a midfield setup so badly needed? He was injured last season and his absence was badly missed … even when he came back and was obviously protecting a recurrence of his injury … his style and flair was needed in an area which really counts. And he covered for the standout weaknesses that Doyle possesses. The transfer-trigger was a bomb waiting to go off, and the ticking was ignored.

Your overuse of hyperbole doesn't enhance your argument. Hindsight's a lovely thing, but we made a mistake and we paid for it. Getting rid of Weir was the right thing to do. By saying you don't care who financed the departure of Weir and his staff it tends to suggest a selective approach to facts that have a bearing on the finances at United.
Not really. I didn’t hire Weir. The board rolled the dice with Weir based upon nil past achievements and nil experience as a manager. I won’t break my heart if this naïve gamble failed. I am glad that they had the conkers to sack the inept fool, but I doubt Weir is too broken hearted given his payout –another foible built into his handshake by … the board.

Now, are you on something, shall we call it medicinal? Where did I use the phrase 'Great acquisition as a manager?' Or are you talking as a general observation? It's a little difficult to tell the difference when the rant is so persistent.
You are Kevin McCabe, and I claim my £5-00 shop voucher. Please, stay away from the personal and stay on topic. The general observation, including all noises from the club, was that Weir was a sound acquisition, with buckets of PL experience, a protégé of Moyes, a former Scottish International … et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Many on here and other sites were, “ … hang on a bit. He’s not that bloody ace, is he? It’s not as though we landed Curbishley, is it?” Nowhere in any posting did I suggest IIYB said 'Great acquisition as a manager?' unless you can point out otherwise.

For what it's worth, yes, Weir's tenure as manager was about as poor as it gets.
Jesus. You act as though Weir’s disasterous stint as boss of Sheffield United was just a passing phase. What do you mean ‘for what it’s worth’? It’s worth twenty-odd places in the third tier of English professional football, our credibility as a major football team with 13-20,000 supporters turning out to see us get penised by laughably poor teams and the indignation of our cross city rivals sniggering at every woeful performance. That’s what it’s worth.

I made the point about Coventry's Clarke, you didn't answer. That silence kind of answers by default.
What is the point about Coventry’s Clarke?

Again, of course venality is at the hub of football, but to be honest, it probably always has been. It's just that now a numpty can get paid millions. You're disingenuous to suggest I was suggesting that money wasn't central in today's game, all I said was that trying to persuade a player to drop to a club in our position isn't as easy as you suggest. Of course, if said player were to sign on say £20-30K per week and proved inadequate, we'd be lumbered with a player who our finances couldn't support. I wonder who'd be complaining then?
Isn’t that the whole point of hiring a manger who has the gravitas to attract the better players? The one who can hand a shopping list and prices to the board and say, ‘this is what I need to put us tenth in this league by the end of the season, and this is what I need in the close season to get us automatic’? This is what they cost, and this is the wages and conditions they need to play for us. You make the decision to invest, I take the responsibility for how they play out on the park. Investment costs cash. I was falsely led to believe that the arrival of Abdullah meant exactly that. Now we are in the final throes of the JTW and the team hovers precariously just above the drop zone, it seems we were wrongly led to assume the arrival of Abdullah meant anything of nothing. Unless in the next seven days we sign six or seven decent players.

It might surprise you to learn I'm not part of Nigel's magic circle, much as you aren't. But the idea that there might be a reason outside of your range of possibilities seems to vex you even more than usual.
So how come you answer almost for him (remember, Cluff isn’t the issue here)?

Yep, you're right for a change, the league table doesn't lie, and that hurts. Next point.
Glad we agree, once again.

And I don't recall that any mention was made of you criticising Clough. If anyone's about to take the blame for our current plight it's McCabe, due to the quality of managerial appointments he's made or has decided to fire too quickly.

Again, I am delighted you agree with me, although your snippy ‘I’ll take Clough’s judgement over yours’ confuses me somewhat. For the record, I will also take his judgement over mine.

As for asking why the board hasn't done this or that, why not send them a mail, putting your demands in your best writing style, I'm sure they'd be blown away by that?
Christ. You’re really scraping the barrel now, aren’t you? Please, stop the ‘you’re a dickhead’ inferrences and concentrate on the topic. ‘Why have we not signed a good collection of players in the JTW’.

Now, I've no way of knowing this, but I don't know whether the board have or have not made substantial funds available to Clough? Maybe they have and he's told them he'd prefer to do things his way. After all, why employ a specialist if you don't allow him to get on with the job he's paid to do?
Don’t know. What I do know is that Cluff would be pretty bloody foolish (which he isn’t) if the board said ‘here’s some cash to stop us being relegated’ and he said ‘thanks guys, that is tremendously kind, but I have a plan. Disregard the fact that our current crop of chimps can’t hold onto a lead much, but I will persevere with them because I see a glimmer of hope and we can really kick the arses of the upcoming teams currently sat in the upper reaches of this division with the same people.

Tell you what mate, your use of extremes is a bit wearying. Never once was the suggestion made of closing this site down. I just said that whatever you or I say, it's unlikely to influence the directors or management at t'Lane. I like this site, and without being able to compare it to other supporter's sites throughout the UK, my take is that this site would be up there with the best of 'em. So, let's see, there are three supporters of the Blades in your office? Yes, I can see how that would create a paradigm shift in how the club moves forward. There's an almost biblical self-righteousness about the tone you adopt - glistening hallmark? Sounds like something out of an old testament parable.
Nope. Not a fucking clue what you are on about there. You’re a tad incoherent. My point about Blades in my office? It’s in Portsmouth, 225 miles away from Beautiful Downtown Bramall Lane. A rich concentration of supporters of a Football League One side currently hovering on the brink of ignomy considering the town has a massive following of Portsmouth, a team relegated last season who resoundingly dicked us at their place last season (posts passim). All three of us ask the question, ‘anything, yet?’ of each other and it is a worrying ‘nope’ all the time. Of course, we now have a £1.5m rated defender, so that’s an upbeat note to email across the office, eh?

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