Nigel Adkins a managerial fraud?

[Finnieston]

didnt we sell claude davis for more than we bought him for?

That makes two idiots that bought him. Ive not come down yet.....2 million.
Got to be a question at next weeks pub quiz.
We always have one funny question.
Mum youll never guess who paid two million for Claude Davis........
Warnock dear....yer dad told me...cant stop laughing.........

 

[Woodwardfan]

Hasn't he played 4-4-2 wherever and whenever he could?

Not at Reading obviously - see O.P. Just checked, he signed 10 players while he was there.

 

[nowtfancy]

That makes two idiots that bought him. Ive not come down yet.....2 million.
Got to be a question at next weeks pub quiz.
We always have one funny question.
Mum youll never guess who paid two million for Claude Davis........
Warnock dear....yer dad told me...cant stop laughing.........

fair enough.
ask that kids dad to tell his mum who was in charge last time it was enjoyable to go to the lane.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

The last "Quality Street" striker/forward we bought... James Beattie [first time]

and who was the manager.....

Oh for the days of Bryan. I miss them.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Not at Reading obviously - see O.P. Just checked, he signed 10 players while he was there.

Yes. Googled it and has played various formations.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Article was written by Lee Connor - a Blade. Whilst there might be truth in what he says, it could have been written by any of us.

Any of us?

 

[finlaytheblade]

Hasn't he played 4-4-2 wherever and whenever he could?

Kempy has really got us all thinking now!! (Have we got a dud ) The article by that Reading fan and now by someone probably a freeLance
Journalist.It does pose the question and that fact alone is worrying as any managers track record can't be dismissed.
He has inherited teams who were obviously ready for a promotion push and at Scunthorpe rebuilt to a degree that team which acheave
promotion through the play offs after a relegation. His strong point there, is to get teams over the line ,not that easy even with a good team
That says he has got motovatoinal skills when he gets things going..
This is the first time he's charged with building a team which in many ways lacks a lot of the qualities needed to win promotion.The blades will make or brake his future as a manager.Do we cut him short denying him this opportunity or go with him and take the chance ?.
We have continually sacked managers at the wrong time,either early season (Blackwell ) or in the run in.,In Blackwells case that got us relegation (in my opinion ),Wilson we were slipping away but Morgan couldn't get us over the line, others have gone for various reasons and fan power has played a part in this.Stick or twist we keep twisting and things get worse,is this the time to give a manager the chance to get it together,he beleaves in youth (as his past show ) which falls in line with Mccabes thinking.
It's the owners decision let's hope they pick the right option without being swayed by fan power,they know what they expected from Adkins first season
in my opinion it wasn't promotion or bust (sack the manager ) .
So come on Mr Mccabe and the Prince pick the right option get it wrong and we continue to flounder.

 

[Rodley]

fair enough.
ask that kids dad to tell his mum who was in charge last time it was enjoyable to go to the lane.

It's laughable. Warnock was different class as manager. Every fucker else sees it apart from an embittered section of the supporter base.

So he signed Claude Davis? So what. If a manager gets 60% of his signings right he's exceptional. At least NW binned them off quickly if they didn't work.

 

[I should coco]

Warnock was different class as manager. Every fucker else sees it apart from an embittered section of the supporter base.

Lat time I looked, 'the embittered section' looked to be leading the poll on here with a majority against him.

When you say 'every fucker', presumably you mean yourself and your mates?

The Chief had a good season as target man in 2002/03, but that doesn't mean I'd want him back either.

 

[Kenilworth]

Lat time I looked, 'the embittered section' looked to be leading the poll on here with a majority against him.

When you say 'every fucker', presumably you mean yourself and your mates?

The Chief had a good season as target man in 2002/03, but that doesn't mean I'd want him back either.

Chief or Sammon?

Chief or Sammon?


Chief or Sammon?


Wow that's a tough one

 

[blade too long]

Article was written by Lee Connor - a Blade. Whilst there might be truth in what he says, it could have been written by any of us.

its very astute of Lee to define whats occured
He came with some good credentials , from a few years back and its probably more our expectancy of better things from him than his fraud, a poor choice of terminology
Just think some managers have peaks of 2 to 4 seasons when they get their ideas accross that work in that period , but football constantly changes and innovative ways of motivating players need to come out of managers . Some can re invent themselves, and some can only work at certain clubs , Holloway for instance , a messiah at a couple of clubs , a complete failure at others .
Thats what we have , someone who did well at southampton and scunthorpe , but has no empathy with the squads at Reading and at the Lane , and obviously cant communicate his ideas across here

 

[Finnieston]

fair enough.
ask that kids dad to tell his mum who was in charge last time it was enjoyable to go to the lane.

John Harris....Class manager and person.

 

[Rodley]

Lat time I looked, 'the embittered section' looked to be leading the poll on here with a majority against him.

When you say 'every fucker', presumably you mean yourself and your mates?

The Chief had a good season as target man in 2002/03, but that doesn't mean I'd want him back either.

I think there's zero chance of him coming back. My point was more the inability of some fans to acknowledge that Warnock was an absolutely top drawer manager for us. And constantly grinding the axe whenever possible. The reality is we're unlikely to get a better manager for another 10-15 years. Look at the slow spiral down we've had since, even with respected managers with good reputations at the helm.

 

[blade too long]

I think there's zero chance of him coming back. My point was more the inability of some fans to acknowledge that Warnock was an absolutely top drawer manager for us. And constantly grinding the axe whenever possible. The reality is we're unlikely to get a better manager for another 10-15 years. Look at the slow spiral down we've had since, many with respected managers with good reputations at the helm.

I felt really sorry for Wilson who but for Chedgate would have succeeded , that started the downward spiral , but all these things are cyclical , and it will turn around
dont know when ,but it will

 

[Finnieston]

I think there's zero chance of him coming back. My point was more the inability of some fans to acknowledge that Warnock was an absolutely top drawer manager for us. And constantly grinding the axe whenever possible. The reality is we're unlikely to get a better manager for another 10-15 years. Look at the slow spiral down we've had since, even with respected managers with good reputations at the helm.

6 years to go up......one to come down.
Would you accept that now.........of course you wouldnt.
...

 

[SB_90]

I agree with some bits & disagree with others. I Still think we need to be patient & as this team does show potential just look at the 1st halves of Oldham/Crewe but then southend & 2nd halves of Oldham/Crewe that extremely inconsistent. although the indefensible thing at the moment on pro adkins side is that the tactics are baffling as why matty done is Left Back is beyond belief even louis van gaal isn't that nuts to put martial or rooney at LB

Although the opening line funny because I must be watching a different squad to the author "a squad which on paper looks to be a lot better than most in the league" as I wouldn't even have our defence on the top half of this division

 

[BeatleBlade]

It's an insulting article and not one I agree with. I can understand the frustration but to call the man a fraud is just wrong in my eyes.

 

[nopigfansintown]

I agree with some bits & disagree with others. I Still think we need to be patient & as this team does show potential just look at the 1st halves of Oldham/Crewe but then southend & 2nd halves of Oldham/Crewe that extremely inconsistent. although the indefensible thing at the moment on pro adkins side is that the tactics are baffling as why matty done is Left Back is beyond belief even louis van gaal isn't that nuts to put martial or rooney at LB

Although the opening line funny because I must be watching a different squad to the author "a squad which on paper looks to be a lot better than most in the league" as I wouldn't even have our defence on the top half of this division

Who else is there to play left back? Harris is out on loan and injured and Kieron Wallace long term injured. Kieron Freeman is back at the club injured.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I agree with some bits & disagree with others. I Still think we need to be patient & as this team does show potential just look at the 1st halves of Oldham/Crewe but then southend & 2nd halves of Oldham/Crewe that extremely inconsistent. although the indefensible thing at the moment on pro adkins side is that the tactics are baffling as why matty done is Left Back is beyond belief even louis van gaal isn't that nuts to put martial or rooney at LB

Although the opening line funny because I must be watching a different squad to the author "a squad which on paper looks to be a lot better than most in the league" as I wouldn't even have our defence on the top half of this division

You mention Van Gaal and he played a World Cup with Dirk Kuyt in that very position- left wing back, plus Blind as right wing back too. Hetherlands got to the Semi-final or Final I think.

 

[BushBlade]

You mention Van Gaal and he played a World Cup with Dirk Kuyt in that very position- left wing back, plus Blind as right wing back too. Hetherlands got to the Semi-final or Final I think.

Is there any manager who doesn't play players 'out of position'? I'm struggling to think of one.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Is there any manager who doesn't play players 'out of position'? I'm struggling to think of one.

Maybe the clouds have fogged up my memory, but didn't a certain manager, who folks think should return, can't recall His Holiness' name, play players out of position in the final match of that magnificent one season in the PL?

 

[I should coco]

Maybe the clouds have fogged up my memory, but didn't a certain manager, who folks think should return, can't recall His Holiness' name, play players out of position in the final match of that magnificent one season in the PL?

Wash your mouth out!

That certain wonder manager to whom you refer is the answer to all our problems at the Lane, global warming, third world poverty and peace for all mankind.

Arise Sir Colin......

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Besides anything didn't Done play several seasons at left back at Rochdale. How is this out of position?

 

[PeteBlade]

I don't think that's the scenario at all. This season has been atrocious, the worst since we've been down here. The articles I've linked make some extremely good points in regards to baffling tactics, questioning his ability to man motivate and manage players, shocking substitutions, woeful signings... the list goes on. More worryingly is the fact that all these points have been observed in his previous tenures at other clubs. Is it not right to ask the question of whether or not he's the right man for a re-build job, which is sorely, sorely needed?

When has Nigel Adkins actually managed a team through a full re-build of the playing squad and got that team promoted? Most, if not all of his best performing/promotion winning players were in place before he arrived. Are you honestly telling me his signings are good evidence of positive steps to come? I'll even counter the Bill Sharp signing if you like, a good signing this year, we'd be well adrift without his goals (I'm reserving judgement on Baptiste until I see more). However, how forward thinking was signing him? How many years does he have left in him? Will he be good enough for the Championship should we miraculously manage to get promoted in the next couple of years?

I'm

Is there any manager who doesn't play players 'out of position'? I'm struggling to think of one.

Sir NEIL WARNOCK would never do that.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Kempy has really got us all thinking now!! (Have we got a dud ) The article by that Reading fan and now by someone probably a freeLance
Journalist.It does pose the question and that fact alone is worrying as any managers track record can't be dismissed.
He has inherited teams who were obviously ready for a promotion push and at Scunthorpe rebuilt to a degree that team which acheave
promotion through the play offs after a relegation. His strong point there, is to get teams over the line ,not that easy even with a good team
That says he has got motovatoinal skills when he gets things going..
This is the first time he's charged with building a team which in many ways lacks a lot of the qualities needed to win promotion.The blades will make or brake his future as a manager.Do we cut him short denying him this opportunity or go with him and take the chance ?.
We have continually sacked managers at the wrong time,either early season (Blackwell ) or in the run in.,In Blackwells case that got us relegation (in my opinion ),Wilson we were slipping away but Morgan couldn't get us over the line, others have gone for various reasons and fan power has played a part in this.Stick or twist we keep twisting and things get worse,is this the time to give a manager the chance to get it together,he beleaves in youth (as his past show ) which falls in line with Mccabes thinking.
It's the owners decision let's hope they pick the right option without being swayed by fan power,they know what they expected from Adkins first season
in my opinion it wasn't promotion or bust (sack the manager ) .
So come on Mr Mccabe and the Prince pick the right option get it wrong and we continue to flounder.

I got laughed at as the best way to judge a manager on not what the so called proffesionals think of him ,but what it sensibly says on a fans forum.

Certain write ups of Clough Derby , Adkins Reading , are just a complete identical follow on , of we are experiencing . Some managers say fans know nothing , actually when watching your club week in week out you tend to know everything .

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

its very astute of Lee to define whats occured
He came with some good credentials , from a few years back and its probably more our expectancy of better things from him than his fraud, a poor choice of terminology
Just think some managers have peaks of 2 to 4 seasons when they get their ideas accross that work in that period , but football constantly changes and innovative ways of motivating players need to come out of managers . Some can re invent themselves, and some can only work at certain clubs , Holloway for instance , a messiah at a couple of clubs , a complete failure at others .
Thats what we have , someone who did well at southampton and scunthorpe , but has no empathy with the squads at Reading and at the Lane , and obviously cant communicate his ideas across here

I'm not sure that the skills come and go, or that some managers can only work at some clubs. The reality is that the footballing business, and it's' customers, work on a far shorter timeframe than the actual job requires.

If they don't hit the ground running, very often just through luck, some very good potential managers end up getting the sack.

That's why, for all the utter bullshit spouted on forums about why managers are succeeding and failing, the only thing of any relevance is the track record.

If you've had one promotion in 15 years, you're probably not very good at the job. If you've had 4 promotions in 10, you probably are.

UTB

 

[blade too long]

I'm not sure that the skills come and go, or that some managers can only work at some clubs. The reality is that the footballing business, and it's' customers, work on a far shorter timeframe than the actual job requires.

If they don't hit the ground running, very often just through luck, some very good potential managers end up getting the sack.

That's why, for all the utter bullshit spouted on forums about why managers are succeeding and failing, the only thing of any relevance is the track record.

If you've had one promotion in 15 years, you're probably not very good at the job. If you've had 4 promotions in 10, you probably are.

UTB

Lots of managers have 3 or 4 promotions on their cv from differing leagues
holloway for instance
would you have him here



is gary megson a good manager then 2 championship promotions

 

[Woodwardfan]

Besides anything didn't Done play several seasons at left back at Rochdale. How is this out of position?

That's silly WHF. Because that's not what we paid £750k for, that's why

Barnsley got rid of Done when he was a winger - not good enough. We signed him as a striker but Clough did say he could be used as a winger if needed; he's never been a full back as far as I know.

Think of it from the player's perspective. Suddenly, at a late stage of his career, he hits the headlines playing right up top as a Vardy-type, nuisance, never let'em settle type of striker. All his career he had been a journeyman and now he was in demand. Signed for a 'big club' for big fee and good wages, more than he ever imagined. Did well in S2, then the manager leaves, a new one doesn't really see him as a striker because he signed his favourite player up top. Plays him deep at wing-back, leaves him on the half way line at our set pieces. Not a happy bunny.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

That's silly WHF. Because that's not what we paid £750k for, that's why

Barnsley got rid of Done when he was a winger - not good enough. We signed him as a striker but Clough did say he could be used as a winger if needed; he's never been a full back as far as I know.

Only half following this thread but still without churning through the whole thing I'd offer:

• in the game he wasn't left back he was LWB
• he dropped deep but sometimes he does this - not under instruction
• he was left back at the end to send McEveley up - it was a gamble - we hit the post - they scored

He made his name as a pacy left-sided midfielder, but proved his versatility when he featured regularly as left-back in the second half of Dale’s promotion-winning campaign.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...news/rochdale-sign-matt-done-two-year-7179665

Half a season is not several seasons I'll give you that.

 

[BushBlade]

I'm not sure that the skills come and go, or that some managers can only work at some clubs. The reality is that the footballing business, and it's' customers, work on a far shorter timeframe than the actual job requires.

If they don't hit the ground running, very often just through luck, some very good potential managers end up getting the sack.

That's why, for all the utter bullshit spouted on forums about why managers are succeeding and failing, the only thing of any relevance is the track record.

If you've had one promotion in 15 years, you're probably not very good at the job. If you've had 4 promotions in 10, you probably are.

UTB

I wonder how many who've called Adkins 'yesterday's man' have now jumped on the Warnock bandwagon?