New Manager ?

[Jan Age]

IMO it’s clear that Wilder is set to go… it’s just a matter of when.

The owners have had days to put out a statement to squash rumours and they haven’t… which tells us the rumours are true.

If the rumours are true if being 50/50 it puts wilder an untenable position anyway so he has to go. I understand that there are very few unanimous decisions but 75/25 gives a majority backing.

So all this leads me to think he’s left signed an nda… the owners ate in discussions with new managers and once in place everything will be announced together.

I’m guessing by Friday next week.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Honestly, I never really read into it too much, but I think he's gone, and they're making sure his replacement is already in place.

Its a bit shitty on Chris as I thought he was the right man pre-January. Americans are ruthless in business, no sentimental shite.

I'm glad the club is having a change. We've had the same mentality for too long, and we need to move with the modern times. Us and Wednesday are similar in our old fashioned football view, we’re being left behind as a football city.

 

[Dkc]

IMO it’s clear that Wilder is set to go… it’s just a matter of when.

The owners have had days to put out a statement to squash rumours and they haven’t… which tells us the rumours are true.

If the rumours are true if being 50/50 it puts wilder an untenable position anyway so he has to go. I understand that there are very few unanimous decisions but 75/25 gives a majority backing.

So all this leads me to think he’s left signed an nda… the owners ate in discussions with new managers and once in place everything will be announced together.

I’m guessing by Friday next week.

If he is definitely going, why would they wait to interview new managers and appoint someone else before announcing his departure? They aren't going to hold a press conference with both Wilder and his replacement. Compensation won't be an issue either. The terms will be clearly defined in CW's contract. If the majority of the board wanted him gone, he'd be gone by now.

Just a guess, but it could be a minority on the board who want to get rid - just one or a couple - but a minority with a lot of sway due to their ability to finance the club or hold back funds if they don't get their way.

The new owners fully committed to Wilder after the takeover, and this was not contingent on promotion. It's not a good look to go back on this pledge after just a few months. If his continued employment depended on promotion they'd have offered him a short term contract with bonuses that would have been reviewed over the summer.

 

[Suomi_Blade]

Why do they have to put out a statement to dispel a rumour?

'To confirm, Bob the owl was incorrect at the recent Owls fans forum, Chris Wilder has not been sacked'

If it happened its happened, right now those that need to know, we currently dont need to know.

 

[Bell4]

Hecky did great but there were some matches we won that promotion season where we absolute rubbish and were lucky to win.

Agree

But the pressure on Hecky was intense - if he hadn't have steered us through the mind fk that was the SUFC leadership (lol) at the time - we may have gone under ??

Anyway - he deserves a statue as i`ve said many times before - classy bloke imo

 

[The Crab]

Taking a punt on a new manager may bring future success, but the odds are it won't. I don't see Biggs or Hall 'begging the new owners not to sack him' unless I've missed something. None of us know how many of us fans want Wilder gone but I'd guess it's a small minority.

There are a few highly vocal posters on this forum demanding he be sacked and replaced with anyone. When their logic is questioned, they resort to meaningless cliches like 'football's moved on' and 'no Plan B.'

There are equally a few vocal posters in whose eyes he can do no wrong

 

[Bell4]

There are equally a few vocal posters in whose eyes he can do no wrong

Yup - true

But lets face it - he's done loads and be careful what you wish for

 

[leppingslaneblade]

i would say its pretty close....I reckon it's not close at all.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Aah. He’s clearly missing the limelight so much he’s had to do a reverse ferret about his opinion of Chris Wilder.

Was about to post something similar. Funny to see Wilders mate Wit getting vocal too

Give the punters what they want. Wit V El Accounto with the winner to go to fight some sad vlogger who lives in his mum's spare room for the ultimate prize - pressing the ANY key on our new AI driven virtual manager!!

 

[The Crab]

Yup - true

But lets face it - he's done loads and be careful what you wish for

Completely agree, that’s why whilst I’m somewhat in the change camp, it doesn’t make me feel great about it

 

[Jan Age]

If he is definitely going, why would they wait to interview new managers and appoint someone else before announcing his departure? They aren't going to hold a press conference with both Wilder and his replacement. Compensation won't be an issue either. The terms will be clearly defined in CW's contract. If the majority of the board wanted him gone, he'd be gone by now.

Just a guess, but it could be a minority on the board who want to get rid - just one or a couple - but a minority with a lot of sway due to their ability to finance the club or hold back funds if they don't get their way.

The new owners fully committed to Wilder after the takeover, and this was not contingent on promotion. It's not a good look to go back on this pledge after just a few months. If his continued employment depended on promotion they'd have offered him a short term contract with bonuses that would have been reviewed over the summer.

Still makes it a very difficult situation to operate within and in my opinion means he will go.

Americans generally like to have all their ducks lined up before communicating ….e.g. Wilders left here’s the new guy … neat and tidy.

They operate slightly differently to other nationalities (again only my experience)

We won’t hear from them unless it’s something concrete

 

[robbiez666]

I like the fact that there's no self-awareness here.

LIke ignoring the fact he took a huge pay-off to the abandon the team he claims to care about so much. Or wasting millions when it's like "spending his own money". Also very quick to demand new contracts when things are going well.

The fan schtick works both ways. It has greatly benefited him to use it all the time.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Wilder still manager then?

Whichever way they go dragging this out isn’t a good look.

 

[bartman]

Wilder still manager then?

Whichever way they go dragging this out isn’t a good look.

If they aren't sacking him, , why would it be being dragged out ? Nothing will have changed .
I agree if they are sacking they need to agree the relevant packages, get rid and replace quickly

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Wherever you stand on the debate what's changed in three weeks?

Nothing. That's a daft amount of time to kill in a relatively short off season. I don't know how anyone on any side of the fence can be fine with that.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

If they aren't sacking him, , why would it be being dragged out ? Nothing will have changed .
I agree if they are sacking they need to agree the relevant packages, get rid and replace quickly

A lot of talk about great ‘Americans are at doing business’ but this is turning into farce.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Wilder still manager then?

Whichever way they go dragging this out isn’t a good look.

Yes he is, thank God, as a previous poster put it be careful what you wish for.
I've a horrible feeling this lot and their AI will make Chansiri look like a good owner.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Yes he is, thank God, as a previous poster put it be careful what you wish for.
I've a horrible feeling this lot and their AI will make Chansiri look like a good owner.

I see reasons for both options and am fairly ambivalent. Still, if they were going to sack Wilder they should have sorted it all out before any ‘review meeting’ or whatever is going on and announced a new plan under their leadership.

 

[TJ blade]

Can we not just be a functioning football club that put things in place so we don't have to rely on Wilderness?

I dont think we should get rid but I don't think any of what El Acunto has preached is something to strive for.

Look at all the clubs of a similar to smaller size than us thriving in the prem and winning cups, of course the did it with a fan as manager.

Ranieri Leicester born and bred
Brenda Rodgers the same
Oliver Glasner Palace till he dies
Thomas Frank Bled Brentford
Andoni Iraola Sagarna, cherriest of Cherries

You get the idea

It doesn't work like that at the lane mate, which you well know. You have to be in earshot of the lane, been a ball boy, probably a season ticket holder some way down the line, and best of all get the club then you qualify for the managers position, " we don't wany any of this fckg! lardy dar nonsense at the lane".... sorry forgot badge thumping

 

[Booker4]

"Chris manages the football club not just the team" well there lies the problem. In. making that statement you obviously have no idea how football clubs in the higher echelons of the "modern football era" are "managed/structured" and have been for some time. Or is it you don’t want to accept it. It's the same old "The Sheffield United Way" is the only way. I've seen it for 63 years as we have fallen further and further behind with owners who haven't got a clue or haven't got the money, very often both.

Lack of money has generally being our issue over the years I've supported the club. When we have had money it's usually gone wrong for various reasons like McDonald just started selling everyone after we didn't go up within a season. We spent some decent money under The Prince but Covid hit and some of the signings didn't give value like Brewster and Mcburnie, although the latter played a key part under Hecky in getting promoted back.

The bit on Wilder managing the club rather than just the team I can see why that's not the modern way like what Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton have achieved. But their recruitment models, Brentford and Brightons in particular, cost an awful lot of time and money. I'm all for us matching that but I believe that their manages still have a major say in recruitment whereas Wilder has clearly no signed those three AI players. The new manager if Wilder goes needs to have a knowledge of foreign markets in my view if that's the market we're looking at more.

I think sacking Wilder now is a big gamble and will split the fan base but ultimately if we get promoted next season then we'll all be happy whoever is in charge. But this is coming season is our best chance of promotion, if we blow it with a poor appointment then we could be adrift from the PL and it's riches for a long time and will the owners have the patience and backing to fund the inevitable losses.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

Can they just get on with it ffs

 

[Pintor75]

If he's to get a stay of execution then he must have surely been given a dressing down about his behaviour and how it reflects on the club and in the media, especially from new owners who want to establish a Premier League team. Maybe they'll give him another 6 months or more, but he'll be closely watched and if he steps out of line again he's out,

 

[Maidenhead]

I'd say the majority want him to stay but most aren't going to be furious with the board if he goes like its being made out in certain quarters. There was much more outrage when he left last time.

There are Wilder fanatics on either side and they're always going to make the most noise but if he goes most fans will just wait to see what comes next. This isn't something like Deane and Fjortoft being sold or Danny Wilson being appointed where everybody was on the same page. It's a divisive manager who some fans are overly emotional about potentially leaving.

I'd keep him and think it's a big risk sacking him. I don't think it's outrageous that a new board will want their own man after we failed to go up though. It's being pushed as if there's going to be angry protests when the majority will think "not sure about that" and wait for what happens next.

I would say that the second group are the majority, and definitely includes me.

I think it's time for a change but that's not based on results, rather that we need a whole culture change and Wilder is not the man to lead that.

Over the last couple of seasons he has behaved like a Sunday league manager in the Premier League/Championship and the team's discipline has been similarly poor.

I think that Wilder has way too much personal baggage to lead that change from the best bunch of lads in the game to one of the most professional organisations in the game.

So, I'm not desperate for a change based on results, tactics, selections, substitutions or anything else like that but I do think a change would benefit the club in the long term.

Generally speaking I don't think that any manager should do the same job in the same organisation for more than five years as they will inevitably fall into a comfort zone and a dynamic organisation needs constant change.

In conclusion, I wouldn't be particularly unhappy if he stays, based purely on results he probably should, but I also wouldn't be unhappy if he goes as I do think that a change of culture throughout the club is desperately needed and that he is not the person to deliver that.

Or in short, I'm conflicted.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

7 weeks till season son plenty time to sort things

 

[UddersBlade]

I reckon he’s staying until end of Oct (12 games). They’ll review again then if not in top 2.

 

[Silky Sabella]

Or he has? Who knows.

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If he's to get a stay of execution then he must have surely been given a dressing down about his behaviour and how it reflects on the club and in the media, especially from new owners who want to establish a Premier League team. Maybe they'll give him another 6 months or more, but he'll be closely watched and if he steps out of line again he's out,

Relevant good points, but after this, I really don't see how he can stay. There must be immense tension between wilder and the owners which is not healthy, and moving forward it would be like a ticking bomb. Also , this saga will be impacting on the players not to mention the fans and their trust moving forward.
CLEAN SLATE required !

 

[Roygbiv]

I would say that the second group are the majority, and definitely includes me.

I think it's time for a change but that's not based on results, rather that we need a whole culture change and Wilder is not the man to lead that.

Over the last couple of seasons he has behaved like a Sunday league manager in the Premier League/Championship and the team's discipline has been similarly poor.

I think that Wilder has way too much personal baggage to lead that change from the best bunch of lads in the game to one of the most professional organisations in the game.

So, I'm not desperate for a change based on results, tactics, selections, substitutions or anything else like that but I do think a change would benefit the club in the long term.

Generally speaking I don't think that any manager should do the same job in the same organisation for more than five years as they will inevitably fall into a comfort zone and a dynamic organisation needs constant change.

In conclusion, I wouldn't be particularly unhappy if he stays, based purely on results he probably should, but I also wouldn't be unhappy if he goes as I do think that a change of culture throughout the club is desperately needed and that he is not the person to deliver that.

Or in short, I'm conflicted.

I'm exactly with you. On the pitch he definitely deserves another crack for me despite the obvious warning signs post-Jan and I think we need to improve a lot to be in automatic contention. Those low margin games just aren't going to go in our favour as much next season. That said, I think at worst he's a safe pair of hands who will likely finish where our budget suggests we should. I'd definitely expect top 6 with him next season so any change is a huge risk.

On the other hand I do think the reaction in some quarters to him potentially leaving and the baggage he brings harms the club. We have seen that people who are backing Wilder above the club. You can see it in the local press, the loud minority on twitter and, quite naturally, his mates. It's become a cult of personality thing that I personally don't think is healthy for the club. We will have to cut ties at some point whatever happens and the fall out is going to be as messy as last time. People were begging for him back even as Hecky was taking us up and his shadow is going to loom over the club for a long time.

 

[GrunkyPeep]

Agree

But the pressure on Hecky was intense - if he hadn't have steered us through the mind fk that was the SUFC leadership (lol) at the time - we may have gone under ??

Anyway - he deserves a statue as i`ve said many times before - classy bloke imo

I reckon Hecky would be a decent DoF.

 

[Westran]

Has he been sacked yet? There's more crap on this thread than the pigs takeover thread. Have we not learned to not believe anything until there's an official announcement yet? Not saying it won't happen, but all of the news outlets seem to have been wrong so far, now we've got stories being made up about infighting with no substance.

 

[Dkc]

Relevant good points, but after this, I really don't see how he can stay. There must be immense tension between wilder and the owners which is not healthy, and moving forward it would be like a ticking bomb. Also , this saga will be impacting on the players not to mention the fans and their trust moving forward.
CLEAN SLATE required !

How do you know there is 'immense tension between Wilder and the owners'?

All we've had is one Tweet from Nixon that Danny Hall appeared to confirm. As far as I can tell all the other news stories were based on Nixon's Tweet and the speculation thay followed.

There could just as easily be 'immense tension' between the different board members. Wilder's been on holiday and could well have just been relaxing while they argue amongst themselves.

Boards often disagree on the way forward, in football and in business. Usually it's the majority view that prevails. If a decision isn't unanimous, that doesn't mean it's a 'ticking time bomb'.