NDiaye. Will he go in January?

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derekacorah said:
You’ve got to assume that someone will make a tempting but not quite tempting enough offer. Any less than £30m and it’s not even worth considering, £30m or more and it will be hard for the club to turn down.

I’d expect Boreham Wood will be on a chunky % as well.
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He had left Boreham Wood as he refused a new contract, we will have paid them a nominal youth development fee once we gave him a contract but they will have no % of any future fees.
 



Trigger Blade said:
On Porktalk, they’re calling him Siliman, so satire isn’t dead.

It’s a fine line between wanting him to stay and helping us to promotion and selling him, so they’ll have to think of new nicknames to keep their Beyond The Fringe vibe going.
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They wouldn't swap him for Bannan that's for sure😆
 
Trigger Blade said:
On Porktalk, they’re calling him Siliman, so satire isn’t dead.

It’s a fine line between wanting him to stay and helping us to promotion and selling him, so they’ll have to think of new nicknames to keep their Beyond The Fringe vibe going.
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That's good. I can't think of the name of a single Wednesday player
 
wavy-blade said:
Problem is now his reputation has spread , but you cant keep a player like illy under the radar , he's a fantastic player , a player you pay to watch , a player that can turn the match in a 10 second blast , I honestly think that a lower Prem club like Palace will come for him , our only hope is that he will hold out for a bigger club , or we give him more money now and hope we go up and he stops with us a little longer .

This is a comment made by a Coventry fan at the match yesterday -

"Thought we were lucky to get in at half time only 1-0 down. That Ndiaye is some player, definitely will be playing regularly in the Premier league in the next couple of years! Once we missed the penalty it was going to be a tough afternoon but thought Sheffield United were one of the best teams I've seen this year. We might have nicked something if we were more clinical but that's the difference!"
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I think some people are getting a little ahead of his ceiling (personally). He’s a great player, no question, and he would be comfortable at the level above. That level being a bottom half prem team.

Talk of some of the super clubs for him are way off the mark IMO. He’s nearly 23 and had one successful season in the 2nd tier.

He will go to Marseille for a decent enough
fee with add ons in the summer of we don’t go up
 
djbaldken said:
NDiaye, what a player we have on our hands. For now.
Coming up to the World Cup, during the World Cup, and now after the World Cup, he has been sublime. The fact he has yet to sign a new contract is worrying. It hints to me that his agent has irons in the fire elsewhere.
He is the spark that gets us going. When we need that touch of class he's there with it. His pass for our opener yesterday showed that.
My worry is that history shows we always sell our best players. Even when we are on course to go up. Fijortoff and Dean being a prime example.
I believe NDiaye will be an even bigger miss if he goes.
What do people think? Will he go or stay? And if he goes how much do you think he'll go for?

A clearly out of sorts Berge , I think will stay. Anel, hopefully too.I

If we lose NDiaye I think we 'll struggle to go up.
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Jesus, you're even being negative on here.
 
blader said:
I think some people are getting a little ahead of his ceiling (personally). He’s a great player, no question, and he would be comfortable at the level above. That level being a bottom half prem team.

Talk of some of the super clubs for him are way off the mark IMO. He’s nearly 23 and had one successful season in the 2nd tier.

He will go to Marseille for a decent enough
fee with add ons in the summer of we don’t go up
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Some of the figures I've seen flying around for Ndiaye and Berge are baffling. As you say, He's a very good player at this level but only proved it over a short period. I don't think he's near the same level as MGW was for us and he's hardly set the EPL alight. He's Eze level, imo, but probably 6 months behind where he was when he moved to Palace for less than £20 million, and Eze had the English premium.

We'd be stuffed without him, but that doesn't mean he will have the same impact in another team. The reverse of Berge, I think, who would be better in another team than he is in a formation which involves off the ball work and pressing.
 
Nothing to worry about.

None of our better players will be sold this season UNLESS it’s an offer we can’t refuse AND we have a replacement lined up at an arguably better standard.

Personally couldn’t care less about individual players. My main focus is improving the team overall.
 
my tuppence.

i think bowen at west ham’s an appropriate starting point for a comparison vis-a-vis a prospective fee for n’diaye. they are similar players in my opinion, and bowen effectively had a similar amount of time on his contract when he left hull.

west ham paid (a reported) £18 million up front with a further £7 million in add-ons three years ago. £25 million in total assuming things like england caps, not getting relegated, european competition, etc - all of which are likely to have been achieved. hull were not in the position we are in at the moment, strongly placed for promotion.

all these things considered, we should be asking for £25 million minimum up front, plus add-ons if we are to sell now. taking the fee to effectively what forest paid for gibbs-white £35 million.

can’t see him leaving personally. there’s nobody outside england going to stump up that kind of money for a 22-year old in our second division.
 
robbiez666 said:
Some of the figures I've seen flying around for Ndiaye and Berge are baffling. As you say, He's a very good player at this level but only proved it over a short period. I don't think he's near the same level as MGW was for us and he's hardly set the EPL alight. He's Eze level, imo, but probably 6 months behind where he was when he moved to Palace for less than £20 million, and Eze had the English premium.

We'd be stuffed without him, but that doesn't mean he will have the same impact in another team. The reverse of Berge, I think, who would be better in another team than he is in a formation which involves off the ball work and pressing.
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Eze was no where near as effective a player as ndiaye is now
No where near
 
Obviously two options:

1. Stays. If we go up (which, with him is very possible provided opposition teams don't break him) then we can jettison the luggage, ship out the old uns who have been here nearly a decade and build a credible, stable team integral to his attack minded mastery. If we fail to go up, he has to go, and for a much reduced fee, sadly

2. Is sold. Although we have had a propensity to misappropriate and squander transfer money in the past, this time it has to go on securing investments like Doyle, McAtee and Clark ... and even then we'll still need a clear out of old wood anyway and a partner for McBurnie.

All of this pivots on who our new owners are. If they are cash flush and willing to invest in playing staff they will have a season of full BDTBL in whatever division but if we have a shower of carpetbagging McCabes then standby for the wilderness again. The only way we'll be able to fund ambitions such as a better training/academy and a conveyer belt of talent is top end finishes in the PL with decent telly income, sponsorship and merch cash tills going. For that, a team full of N'Diaye's is a no brainer. Instead of 'think Liverpool' we now bee to be thinking 'think Newcastle' and buy talent not football cards.

pommpey
 
If McAbre were in charge he’d be going, whilst the prince is still here not a chance until the end of the season, the sale may fall through, and he’ll want to make sure that we have every chance to get back in the prem, we’ll be worth far less if we don’t make it, but the players value will remain the same if we’re still in the champ.
 



Shirty Blade said:
Which PL club will be the first to put in a derisory offer? I'm going for Everton at £12 million.
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They do need a striker. I was just trying to think who wpuld be desperate enough to make an attractive enough offer to get him - possibly Wolves (although he's not Portuguese), Bournemouth or Fulham.

If he goes, go for Gyorkeres, Fer and Bowler (if he's allowed to play for another club this season).
 
He’s absolutely pivotal to any chance of us getting promoted, with the sale of the club I would have thought any potential buyers will be instant on keeping their prized asset that could be leading them to big PL money you sold have thought ??
I think we still need another centre forward with Brewster out long term , Billy & Mc Burnie having there own injury issues & Jebbo nowhere near Championship level currently , but turning the club sake around the other way can’t see any cash been available & at best an additional loan in .
I think that will be the trade off keep Illy but no one else in ?
 
He’s pretty much the difference between promotion which is a lot worth more than we’ll get for him.

I’d say he goes in the summer regardless of what league we’re in but unless a bid we simply can’t refuse comes in then we should keep hold for the time being.

He’s inevitably going to go at some point and the thought is depressing 😣
 
robbiez666 said:
Some of the figures I've seen flying around for Ndiaye and Berge are baffling. As you say, He's a very good player at this level but only proved it over a short period. I don't think he's near the same level as MGW was for us and he's hardly set the EPL alight.
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Genuinely mate? I loved MGW but he was a bit of a luxury (although a very effective one and he gave his all for us). He gave the ball away a hell of a lot and I loved all his tricks and carry on but it did always feel like an experienced Premier League defender may not give him a look in.

Ndiaye's got a great first touch, is quick, can beat men for fun but more than anything it's his balance and low centre of gravity. He's so bloody strong, defenders try to take him out and he can keep his feet. And he's class at pressing and winning the ball in the opposition's third. He looks an absolute pain in the arse to play against.

He could do with passing it more, but we're starting to see how good a passer he is now with his assists. I'd agree some get carried away but he's genuinely class I reckon, as is Anel- both Champions League players.
 
finlaytheblade said:
With a new owner in the pipeline! Can't see him going in January.
Prince selling up means a new owner would surely want our best players staying for now.
Whoever he is must be better eelled than the prince so selling our crown jewels would be counter
productive.
Would look good ! Blades new owner sells there best player ! Can't happen surely.
This kid at his rate of progress will be worth 50 million plus
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If we are close to being bought there is no way we are selling him unless it has been sanctioned by the buyer.
You cannot agree a price for the club then sell arguably it’s biggest asset after the land/property and totally devalue the club from its agreed sales price …..it just would not be feasible or acceptable to the buyer.
 
bladesmanluke said:
We wouldn't even entertain an offer from them
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The Prince has made it clear loads of times.
Like 99% of clubs in world football ALL out players are open to offers and potentially could be sold.

He's a good businessman who has run our club well, he'll consider anything that helps us gained promotion and is financially of little cost
So the offer would need to be massive and we'd need to have lined up an even better player that will improve our chances of promotion.

So in reality it's very unlikely our players will be sold in Jan.
 
blader said:
I think some people are getting a little ahead of his ceiling (personally). He’s a great player, no question, and he would be comfortable at the level above. That level being a bottom half prem team.

Talk of some of the super clubs for him are way off the mark IMO. He’s nearly 23 and had one successful season in the 2nd tier.

He will go to Marseille for a decent enough
fee with add ons in the summer of we don’t go up
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Agreed. (Not sure about the buying club). Ndiaye will attract a bigger, better club if he stays a blade. His first half dozen games were cut short by cramp remember. If he stays and improves his and blades reputation by scoring and assisting more goals, he will get the club a bigger fee, and he gets a better wage and a better club out of it. No brainer, win/win for both sides.
 
derekacorah said:
You’ve got to assume that someone will make a tempting but not quite tempting enough offer. Any less than £30m and it’s not even worth considering, £30m or more and it will be hard for the club to turn down.

I’d expect Boreham Wood will be on a chunky % as well.
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Some reports indicate that he had left BW before we signed him.
 
robbiez666 said:
Some of the figures I've seen flying around for Ndiaye and Berge are baffling. As you say, He's a very good player at this level but only proved it over a short period. I don't think he's near the same level as MGW was for us and he's hardly set the EPL alight. He's Eze level, imo, but probably 6 months behind where he was when he moved to Palace for less than £20 million, and Eze had the English premium.

We'd be stuffed without him, but that doesn't mean he will have the same impact in another team. The reverse of Berge, I think, who would be better in another team than he is in a formation which involves off the ball work and pressing.
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He’s a lot better all round footballer than MGW and Eze, he rarely loses the ball and on the rare occasion he does lose it he wins the fucker straight back, that alone is worth it’s weight in gold and for me separates him from those two players, along with his other traits which are unbelievable at times.

Ndiaye is a baller of very high magnitude and im almost certain will play a lot higher than MGW and Eze sooner rather than later unfortunately, as long as he stays until at the very least the end of the season though, which I think he will, then I’ll be happy.
 
wizadry said:
He’s a lot better all round footballer than MGW and Eze, he rarely loses the ball and on the rare occasion he does lose it he wins the fucker straight back, that alone is worth it’s weight in gold and for me separates him from those two players, along with his other traits which are unbelievable at times.

Ndiaye is a baller of very high magnitude and im almost certain will play a lot higher than MGW and Eze sooner rather than later unfortunately, as long as he stays until at the very least the end of the season though, which I think he will, then I’ll be happy.
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Disagree with you there. MGW and Eze were both more influential (and younger). Ndiaye is not that far off, but certainly not ahead at the point they left.
 



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