Name one manager...

[Torrix1889]

So you don't want a manager who would have us five points clear?

Jeez you are hard work...

To answer your question directly I would have any manager that would have us 5 points clear, wouldn't you?

My opinion was that head to head, Davies would get more out of our current crop of players than Wilson. Would I want Billy Davies in particular as manager of SUFC, no I wouldn't.

 

[mickerz-blade]

Jeez you are hard work...

To answer your question directly I would have any manager that would have us 5 points clear, wouldn't you?

My opinion was that head to head, Davies would get more out of our current crop of players than Wilson. Would I want Billy Davies in particular as manager of SUFC, no I wouldn't.

Yes I would want any manager who had us 5 points clear. BD is not that man. I also think that he would be doing worse with the current players than Wilson.
I don't see the need to start speculating who should replace a man who is doing well. BD would be as welcome as having Blackwell back.

 

[Torrix1889]

Yes I would want any manager who had us 5 points clear. BD is not that man. I also think that he would be doing worse with the current players than Wilson.
I don't see the need to start speculating who should replace a man who is doing well. BD would be as welcome as having Blackwell back.

The OP asked for names of managers who could be doing better, that's where my opinion and suggestion of Davies came from. I agree that Davies would probably not be a very popular appointment.

I also don't think that Wilson should be replaced at the moment, having said that I can't agree with you that he is doing well...

 

[mattbianco1]

The only manager that could accumalate more points with the team we've got now is Neil Warnock.

Kevin Blackwell would do well too. He'll keep Bury up.. And they ARE skint.

That said, I wouldn't sack Wilson to bring either of those in at this stage.

 

[mattbianco1]

Olley, you seem to imply that you would be prepared to swap our entire first team for the Tranmere or Brentford teams. I would not, despite the fact that they are a few points ahead of us right now. Our team is far better and when we hit top form (which we haven't yet) we will do very well in this division. (Hopefully very soon).

We will most definitely finish above one of these two.. Probably both.

Our players are better than the rest of this league. We've hit a bad spell, all teams do it. Let's not forget we were top at Xmas.

Look at Man City last year. Clear at one point, stuttered, got caught by Man U then picked up again.

My signature tells you what will happen and i've had that in place since May

 

[super_pig]

the rot set in when we went top.. the players have switched off and turned into billy big bollocks.. they thought the job was done. This is the managers responsibility. i am prepared to give him time to kick some ass due to the goodwill created from last years performances and entertainment value..
we get 20 f**king thousand at home games vs Yeovil.. we should be Man Utd at this level.. we are massive at this level (sniggers)

 

[Hartley Hare]

The no correlation on wages and ability is one of the silliest things I have heard.................. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that better players do not earn bigger salaries.

The point I was trying to make is that just because you earn more doesn't necessarily make you a better player. In all walks of life there are individuals who are excellent at their job, but they don't necessarily earn top dollar.

There are plenty of examples of top players earning less than others, in so called bigger teams. Teams like Swansea, Wigan, Norwich, Everton and to some extent Arsenal have strict pay structures and they will not break these. Portsmouth did and look where they are now - financial ruin.

Teams like Chelsea and Man City pay super high wages. For example, I would say Leighton Baines, arguably the best left back in the country, earns far less than Cole at Chelsea.

A player joining us would expect to earn more than if he signed for say, Yeovil or Hartlepool but it didn't stop those teams from beating us recently.

Bradford have just beaten Villa over two legs, and are now in the Cup final. They beat Arsenal in the previous round. They earn less in a year than some of the Arsenal players earn in a week.

The presumption, that we should win this league just because we pay higher wages is wrong.

HH

 

[JohnDenver]

The point I was trying to make is that just because you earn more doesn't necessarily make you a better player. In all walks of life there are individuals who are excellent at their job, but they don't necessarily earn top dollar.

I'll find you a thousand overpaid players for every underpaid one you name.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I'll find you a thousand overpaid players for every underpaid one you name.

If you ever got he chance to play 5-aside with some pros you'd quickly find a thousand underpaid players

 

[BladeFisher]

...that would have as much success as the previous season despite losing the best 4 players in his team.

Last season Danny Wilson showed that when he has players at his disposal - which this season due to reasons beyond his control he does not - he can bring attacking, winning football. 90 points and finishing 3rd is not fucking it up - it's freakishly unlucky.

Much of this has already been said but I'm getting a bit fed up of the 'Wilson Out' bollocks. 'Sack the pig' is beyond tiresome. Those pointing to the fact we are not as good as last season - well done, well observed. Every time he's interviewed, there's no bullshit, he's fully aware of our shortfalls.

The next time you start abusing an 18 year old goalkeeper for making a mistake, abusing a manager that his hands tied, fighting between yourselves in the stands or booing a player played out of position - take a look at yourself and realise who you are. Probably some f-cking scroat, chav or JSA'r with an IQ equal to Harry Maguire's shirt number. What would your response be if your boss talked to you like that? I guess you'd take it as constructive criticism like Danny Wilson should when you open your illiterate mouth, wouldn't you?

When you think of replying to this thread and saying get Nigel Adkins - pause - and then have a think about 20 Championship clubs who would offer him a job tomorrow. We are a League One club. Is it sinking in? Well done, we're getting there. Adkins who had the support of the Saints faithful even when things were tough (are we beginning to see the link between the two?) and then again, why would he come here when there are people like you whining like the twat you are.

The football this season has been - on the whole - dull. I am not blinkered to think otherwise. Neither are you. So why do you think Danny Wilson is? If he's really got the next Wayne Rooney on the bench, do you think he would really leave him on the bench?

Wilson needs to mix things up. We need to be more direct and play to the style of the players we have without doubt. But for fucks sake, show some class, chant his name at Reading and stick together. Show some fucking resilience and the next time you call Blackman a mardy arse, attention seeking showpony, have a look in that mirror when you get home.

UTB.

Perhaps he should talk with Arsene Wenger. Allegedly they are in crisis too.

 

[Ollessendro]

The point I was trying to make is that just because you earn more doesn't necessarily make you a better player. In all walks of life there are individuals who are excellent at their job, but they don't necessarily earn top dollar.

There are plenty of examples of top players earning less than others, in so called bigger teams. Teams like Swansea, Wigan, Norwich, Everton and to some extent Arsenal have strict pay structures and they will not break these. Portsmouth did and look where they are now - financial ruin.

Teams like Chelsea and Man City pay super high wages. For example, I would say Leighton Baines, arguably the best left back in the country, earns far less than Cole at Chelsea.

A player joining us would expect to earn more than if he signed for say, Yeovil or Hartlepool but it didn't stop those teams from beating us recently.

Bradford have just beaten Villa over two legs, and are now in the Cup final. They beat Arsenal in the previous round. They earn less in a year than some of the Arsenal players earn in a week.

The presumption, that we should win this league just because we pay higher wages is wrong.

HH

Your point is completely and utterly invalid. It is simple economics. Anyone that has read a microeconomics textbook will tell you that it is simple supply and demand of labour. Of course there are outliers, like Leighton Baines, but for the most part there is a strong correlation between ability and earnrings. Funny that Williamson, Ched and Quinn (some of our best performers from last term) were earning a hell of a lot more than the rest of the division. Your example, Baines, could command a big salary if he wanted to leave the North West. Ashley Cole is earning super bucks because he has been consistently the best left back in the Premier League for 10 years. He might be a tosser, but he got offered the big money after pulling up trees at Arsenal with the rest of the invincibles.

My point is not that a higher salary structure means you can just roll teams over. However, the bigger your budget the more potential you have to bring in better players. Wilson's got players at his disposal others in the league wuld dream of having. If Brentford or Tranmere lose a player to injury, they are not going to be able to bring in one of the best players in Scottish football and a defender that has played his whole career in the top flight! Quoting one off games means nowt. We are talking about a season. 46 games. There are no excuses for Wilson not to get this squad out of this league.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Name one manager........ On this years performance alone - Phil Parkinson
He appears to get his team up for it when it matters