Name one manager...

[s10blade]

...that would have as much success as the previous season despite losing the best 4 players in his team.

Last season Danny Wilson showed that when he has players at his disposal - which this season due to reasons beyond his control he does not - he can bring attacking, winning football. 90 points and finishing 3rd is not fucking it up - it's freakishly unlucky.

Much of this has already been said but I'm getting a bit fed up of the 'Wilson Out' bollocks. 'Sack the pig' is beyond tiresome. Those pointing to the fact we are not as good as last season - well done, well observed. Every time he's interviewed, there's no bullshit, he's fully aware of our shortfalls.

The next time you start abusing an 18 year old goalkeeper for making a mistake, abusing a manager that his hands tied, fighting between yourselves in the stands or booing a player played out of position - take a look at yourself and realise who you are. Probably some f-cking scroat, chav or JSA'r with an IQ equal to Harry Maguire's shirt number. What would your response be if your boss talked to you like that? I guess you'd take it as constructive criticism like Danny Wilson should when you open your illiterate mouth, wouldn't you?

When you think of replying to this thread and saying get Nigel Adkins - pause - and then have a think about 20 Championship clubs who would offer him a job tomorrow. We are a League One club. Is it sinking in? Well done, we're getting there. Adkins who had the support of the Saints faithful even when things were tough (are we beginning to see the link between the two?) and then again, why would he come here when there are people like you whining like the twat you are.

The football this season has been - on the whole - dull. I am not blinkered to think otherwise. Neither are you. So why do you think Danny Wilson is? If he's really got the next Wayne Rooney on the bench, do you think he would really leave him on the bench?

Wilson needs to mix things up. We need to be more direct and play to the style of the players we have without doubt. But for fucks sake, show some class, chant his name at Reading and stick together. Show some fucking resilience and the next time you call Blackman a mardy arse, attention seeking showpony, have a look in that mirror when you get home.

UTB.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Classy, rounded and well put together post dear boy.

 

[raul]

I can't believe someone hasn't already posted something similar.

 

[metalblade]

Oooooo another big hard keyboard warrior he just forgot to mention Meadowhall and the pigs tut tut

 

[ghandi]

...that would have as much success as the previous season despite losing the best 4 players in his team.

Last season Danny Wilson showed that when he has players at his disposal - which this season due to reasons beyond his control he does not - he can bring attacking, winning football. 90 points and finishing 3rd is not fucking it up - it's freakishly unlucky.

Much of this has already been said but I'm getting a bit fed up of the 'Wilson Out' bollocks. 'Sack the pig' is beyond tiresome. Those pointing to the fact we are not as good as last season - well done, well observed. Every time he's interviewed, there's no bullshit, he's fully aware of our shortfalls.

The next time you start abusing an 18 year old goalkeeper for making a mistake, abusing a manager that his hands tied, fighting between yourselves in the stands or booing a player played out of position - take a look at yourself and realise who you are. Probably some f-cking scroat, chav or JSA'r with an IQ equal to Harry Maguire's shirt number. What would your response be if your boss talked to you like that? I guess you'd take it as constructive criticism like Danny Wilson should when you open your illiterate mouth, wouldn't you?

When you think of replying to this thread and saying get Nigel Adkins - pause - and then have a think about 20 Championship clubs who would offer him a job tomorrow. We are a League One club. Is it sinking in? Well done, we're getting there. Adkins who had the support of the Saints faithful even when things were tough (are we beginning to see the link between the two?) and then again, why would he come here when there are people like you whining like the twat you are.

The football this season has been - on the whole - dull. I am not blinkered to think otherwise. Neither are you. So why do you think Danny Wilson is? If he's really got the next Wayne Rooney on the bench, do you think he would really leave him on the bench?

Wilson needs to mix things up. We need to be more direct and play to the style of the players we have without doubt. But for fucks sake, show some class, chant his name at Reading and stick together. Show some fucking resilience and the next time you call Blackman a mardy arse, attention seeking showpony, have a look in that mirror when you get home.

UTB.

Sack the Pig...Get Adkins in.

 

[Rodley]

Oooooo another big hard keyboard warrior he just forgot to mention Meadowhall and the pigs tut tut

As opposed to the keyboard warrior who slags the team/manager off over and over again despite never making the 3 mile trip to The Lane.

 

[s10blade]

Oooooo another big hard keyboard warrior he just forgot to mention Meadowhall and the pigs tut tut

As this message board is internet based one has to resort to a keyboard.

 

[metalblade]

As opposed to the keyboard warrior who slags the team/manager off over and over again despite never making the 3 mile trip to The Lane.

You will still be there though Rodley the way things are going you will soon have 20,000 empty seats to choose from ...................... what a hero

 

[Ollessendro]

Hang on a minute. You ask us to name one manager that could deal with losing their 4 best players and then you start putting restrictions on it. To continue being pedantic, he did not lose the 4 best players in his team. On last seasons performances Maguire, Collins and McDonald would all be classed as better than Williamson for example. I do actually agree that it was a huge blow to lose the attacking threat of Evans, Lowton and Quinn though.

I agree with a lot of your sentiment about moaning, groaning and booing etc. I get pissed off with fickle United-ies too. However I disagree with your faith in Wilson. Wilson still has the team with largest wage bill in the league. Our turnover dwarfs others in this division and so does the salaries we pay. Our £6m salary bill must be 4 or 5 times higher than Brentford and Tranmere. Only Swindon and Donny can have wage bill's anything like ours. Yet we sit in 5th in the division. And I will not accept any of this restructuring malarky, as all the big contracts for duffers have finished. Thisis very much Wilson's team.

Wilson lost Ched at the end of last season. He also lost Lowton and Willo over the summer. He knew he would lose Quinn too and probably had instructions to accept any offer. No doubt he did not want to lose any of them, however had time to bring players in. Wilson opted to sign Cofie (albeit on loan), Miller, Blackman, Kitson and re-sign Porter. He offered contracts to Williams, Hill, McMahon and Westlake. That is nine transfers, yet none of them midfielders. Despite losing 2 wide players, he just signed a load of strikers. He is very lucky to have inherited players that are decent at this level like Collins and Doyle and also young stars like Maguire and Long. K Mac is a Wilson signing and so is Flynn. That squad we are seeing has Wilson's stamp on it. He lucky enough to have a chairman that gives extra cash to bring in Higginbottom and Murphy. Ronnie Moore or Uwe Rossler would give their left arms for the funds to do that.

I look at our squad (one of the best in the league) and think we should be doing better. It is ultimately Wilson's responsibility. He should be doing better with this team. Now I will be cheering on Sat-di at Reading. I will not be booing, scrapping with other fans, insulting anyone or owt daft. I'll get behind the team. Even though I am having major doubts about Wilson,I would not sack him. I would give im to the nd of the season and see what happens. He deserves it after last season and it may well just be a blip. However we are still in contention for automatic promotion and are in a play off position. It makes no sense for him to go now. Plus, who on earth would we replace him with. Even when good managers are available, McCabe always makes a poor choice!?

 

[Torrix1889]

I will give you one who would have done better than Wilson this season, I don't really like the bloke but he gets results and would have whipped this team into shape, granted the football may have been a bit more direct than pretty but it would have been better than the garbage we have been served up with this term.

Not overly popular but Billy Davies would have us 5 points clear by now....

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

metalblade on Saturday when the Notts County equaliser came through on the BBC website...

 

[Hartley Hare]

Olley, you seem to imply that you would be prepared to swap our entire first team for the Tranmere or Brentford teams. I would not, despite the fact that they are a few points ahead of us right now. Our team is far better and when we hit top form (which we haven't yet) we will do very well in this division. (Hopefully very soon).

Just because one player earns more than another, doesn't necessarily make them a better player. There is no correlation. If this were true the league table would be based on payslips and not performances.

I can guess that very few of the Swansea players earn more than most of the QPR or Newcastle players, yet look at the table.

By way of explanation I would suggest that there is an expectation of higher wages at certain clubs, bigger clubs like ours and the wage structure reflects this fact.

Just because we have higher income, a bigger following and ground doesn't count for a sausage. It is down to the players and how they perform as a team.

To my mind Danny Wilson has done very well considering the players he has lost. I also think that he has a clear understanding of our shortcomings and he will sort these out. I have only been to a few games this year and on reflection I think some of the players have let the side down, particularly recently.

HH

 

[muttsnuts]

...that would have as much success as the previous season despite losing the best 4 players in his team.

Last season Danny Wilson showed that when he has players at his disposal - which this season due to reasons beyond his control he does not - he can bring attacking, winning football. 90 points and finishing 3rd is not fucking it up - it's freakishly unlucky.

Much of this has already been said but I'm getting a bit fed up of the 'Wilson Out' bollocks. 'Sack the pig' is beyond tiresome. Those pointing to the fact we are not as good as last season - well done, well observed. Every time he's interviewed, there's no bullshit, he's fully aware of our shortfalls.

The next time you start abusing an 18 year old goalkeeper for making a mistake, abusing a manager that his hands tied, fighting between yourselves in the stands or booing a player played out of position - take a look at yourself and realise who you are. Probably some f-cking scroat, chav or JSA'r with an IQ equal to Harry Maguire's shirt number. What would your response be if your boss talked to you like that? I guess you'd take it as constructive criticism like Danny Wilson should when you open your illiterate mouth, wouldn't you?

When you think of replying to this thread and saying get Nigel Adkins - pause - and then have a think about 20 Championship clubs who would offer him a job tomorrow. We are a League One club. Is it sinking in? Well done, we're getting there. Adkins who had the support of the Saints faithful even when things were tough (are we beginning to see the link between the two?) and then again, why would he come here when there are people like you whining like the twat you are.

The football this season has been - on the whole - dull. I am not blinkered to think otherwise. Neither are you. So why do you think Danny Wilson is? If he's really got the next Wayne Rooney on the bench, do you think he would really leave him on the bench?

Wilson needs to mix things up. We need to be more direct and play to the style of the players we have without doubt. But for fucks sake, show some class, chant his name at Reading and stick together. Show some fucking resilience and the next time you call Blackman a mardy arse, attention seeking showpony, have a look in that mirror when you get home.

UTB.

 

[muttsnuts]

What a load of bollox

 

[Kev Gee]

Wilson said in an interview on saturday that

something is wrong. And that maybe the players are wieghed down by the pressure?

I thought that its

A - his job to relieve that pressure as much as possible & deflect outside influences (including fan critisism)
B - his job to sign players who are mentally upto the challenge of playing for us & can handle pressure.

 

[Fiery Blade]

What HH and S10 are failing to allude to that it is Wilsons job to sort out the short comings!
If he can see what we see week in week out then his coaching staff and himself should try to resolve it on the training ground.
If in a 'normal job' somebody is shirking, not doing the job correctly, making the same mistakes daily, creating difficulties or not performing to an acceptable level then the management look at the situation, perhaps re-train, perhaps move the person to other duties or something else! What does happen is that the situation has to be resolved for the good of the company - no good blaming previous management for setting him on!
Wilson is the manager, so as you say he sees them in training - his job is to sort out the shortcomings
Football management is not just about having the best players, being honest in aftermatch interviews, its also about getting the best out of what you have and making sure that the players give you 100% when they walk out onto the field ......in Wilsons case I think he fails on both counts!

 

[Fiery Blade]

Olley, you seem to imply that you would be prepared to swap our entire first team for the Tranmere or Brentford teams. I would not, despite the fact that they are a few points ahead of us right now. Our team is far better and when we hit top form (which we haven't yet) we will do very well in this division. (Hopefully very soon).

On what basis to you have this optimism HH - the side has played dire all season

To my mind Danny Wilson has done very well considering the players he has lost. I also think that he has a clear understanding of our shortcomings and he will sort these out. I have only been to a few games this year and on reflection I think some of the players have let the side down, particularly recently.

HH

He has had all season to try and sort these out and at present we are going backwards!

 

[Torrix1889]

Olley, you seem to imply that you would be prepared to swap our entire first team for the Tranmere or Brentford teams. I would not, despite the fact that they are a few points ahead of us right now. Our team is far better and when we hit top form (which we haven't yet) we will do very well in this division. (Hopefully very soon).

Just because one player earns more than another, doesn't necessarily make them a better player. There is no correlation. If this were true the league table would be based on payslips and not performances.

I can guess that very few of the Swansea players earn more than most of the QPR or Newcastle players, yet look at the table.

By way of explanation I would suggest that there is an expectation of higher wages at certain clubs, bigger clubs like ours and the wage structure reflects this fact.

Just because we have higher income, a bigger following and ground doesn't count for a sausage. It is down to the players and how they perform as a team.

To my mind Danny Wilson has done very well considering the players he has lost. I also think that he has a clear understanding of our shortcomings and he will sort these out. I have only been to a few games this year and on reflection I think some of the players have let the side down, particularly recently.

HH

Not saying you are a part-timer at all but wewould probably all share your thoughts and optimism based on a few hours of football rather than an entire season (up to now) of woefully inadequate turgid shite.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Not saying you are a part-timer at all but wewould probably all share your thoughts and optimism based on a few hours of football rather than an entire season (up to now) of woefully inadequate turgid shite.

Torrix - Perhaps you ought to go and shovel up those guts you saw this morning and take them down to BDTBL - they seem to be lacking some down there!

 

[grafikhaus]

Wilson said in an interview on saturday that

something is wrong. And that maybe the players are wieghed down by the pressure?

I thought that its

A - his job to relieve that pressure as much as possible & deflect outside influences (including fan critisism)
B - his job to sign players who are mentally upto the challenge of playing for us & can handle pressure.

And I think this is the crux of the problem. After over one-and-a-half seasons as manager, he's sounding like somebody completely new to the job. He's casting round for reasons why it isn't working, alluding to a 'nervousness' yet seemingly unable to address it.

All in all, a good post S10. But we're not all slagging Long, fighting amongst ourselves, think Wilson shouldn't have got the job because of his Wednesday connections etc. Mostly we're just sinking into a dull realisation that another season has been wasted, our fantastically-loyal fans will continue to dwindle and our death spiral will mean future talent will continue to be sold.

For the record, I didn't want Danny for the simple reason that his record would suggest he's not very good. Last 'success'? 1997 - that's sixteen years ago when he took Barnsley up. Since then he's left/resigned/been sacked five times. Try taking that into a job interview.

Did DW come achingly close last season? Or was it a combination of a once-in-a-generation goalscorer, our unbelievable bad luck in losing him and our usual fuck-up in a major game?

I can't see any reasons for optimism next season so yet another change in manager is needed - now, if we can still try to salvage this season. I'd love to see di Canio down here. Can't be happy at Swindon, but the kind of bold decision that McCabe is incapable of.

Yes, yes I can already see the 'fascist' comments etc. But what's the alternative? DW is beginning to make Adams (who inherited a team in freefall and in a superior division) look like a success.

 

[Ollessendro]

Olley, you seem to imply that you would be prepared to swap our entire first team for the Tranmere or Brentford teams. I would not, despite the fact that they are a few points ahead of us right now. Our team is far better and when we hit top form (which we haven't yet) we will do very well in this division. (Hopefully very soon).

Just because one player earns more than another, doesn't necessarily make them a better player. There is no correlation. If this were true the league table would be based on payslips and not performances.

I can guess that very few of the Swansea players earn more than most of the QPR or Newcastle players, yet look at the table.

By way of explanation I would suggest that there is an expectation of higher wages at certain clubs, bigger clubs like ours and the wage structure reflects this fact.

Just because we have higher income, a bigger following and ground doesn't count for a sausage. It is down to the players and how they perform as a team.

To my mind Danny Wilson has done very well considering the players he has lost. I also think that he has a clear understanding of our shortcomings and he will sort these out. I have only been to a few games this year and on reflection I think some of the players have let the side down, particularly recently.

HH

Where do I start? Ok, first thing is that I stated I think our squad is the best in the division. Therefore I think they should be doing better. We have a much better team than Brentford, Tranmere, Swindon and Donny. We all ahve assets to bring in extra players. I would not swap our team for any of the others.

The no correlation on wages and ability is one of the silliest things I have heard. It is basic supply and demand for labour. Football wages is a market and higher ability means you earn more. There may be a few outliers, but generally speaking the better players earn more money. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that better players do not earn biggers salaries.

Now getting players with bigger wages to play might be a different matter. The example you have given are outliers, where money has been wasted and poor signings been made, or the club has an excellent footballing philosphy and coaching staff.

I have not for one minute said it os owt to do with us being a big club. You are right that an average attendance of close to 20k means squat. However a big turnover means more money for players and a higher wage bill. A higher wage bill allows more players and/or more quality of players. If this was not the case, then why not just sign all these cracking players that are out there and willing to work for nowt?

 

[GAZBLADE]

Where do I start? Ok, first thing is that I stated I think our squad is the best in the division. Therefore I think they should be doing better. We have a much better team than Brentford, Tranmere, Swindon and Donny. We all ahve assets to bring in extra players. I would not swap our team for any of the others.

The no correlation on wages and ability is one of the silliest things I have heard. It is basic supply and demand for labour. Football wages is a market and higher ability means you earn more. There may be a few outliers, but generally speaking the better players earn more money. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that better players do not earn biggers salaries.

Now getting players with bigger wages to play might be a different matter. The example you have given are outliers, where money has been wasted and poor signings been made, or the club has an excellent footballing philosphy and coaching staff.

I have not for one minute said it os owt to do with us being a big club. You are right that an average attendance of close to 20k means squat. However a big turnover means more money for players and a higher wage bill. A higher wage bill allows more players and/or more quality of players. If this was not the case, then why not just sign all these cracking players that are out there and willing to work for nowt?

I agree in principal what you're saying Olle. Now we just need a manager who recognises a good player when he sees one!!
I'd say there are several players from the likes of Tranmere, Donny and Brentford who i'd take over some of our shite.
UTB

 

[mickerz-blade]

I will give you one who would have done better than Wilson this season, I don't really like the bloke but he gets results and would have whipped this team into shape, granted the football may have been a bit more direct than pretty but it would have been better than the garbage we have been served up with this term.

Not overly popular but Billy Davies would have us 5 points clear by now....

Absolute crap.
He has achieved what, 1 promotion and a 4 playoffs?
He always wants money to spend and when he had it at Forest (4 million) he failed. WE HAVE NO MONEY.

 

[Torrix1889]

Absolute crap.
He has achieved what, 1 promotion and a 4 playoffs?
He always wants money to spend and when he had it at Forest (4 million) he failed. WE HAVE NO MONEY.

Achievement wise about the same as Wilson then...I'm aware WE HAVE NO MONEY.. but from a motivational aspect Davies would get results, Wilson doesn't seem to be able to ignite any passion in anyone.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I want Davies as manager I just think at this level a manager like Davies would have more success with our current crop of players than Wilson.

 

[mickerz-blade]

Achievement wise about the same as Wilson then...I'm aware WE HAVE NO MONEY.. but from a motivational aspect Davies would get results, Wilson doesn't seem to be able to ignite any passion in anyone.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I want Davies as manager I just think at this level a manager like Davies would have more success with our current crop of players than Wilson.

Why has no one employed him recently? Dinner circuit it is then to be a Motivational speaker.

 

[Torrix1889]

Why has no one employed him recently?

You can say the same about many managers, (Curbishley!) doesn't make them crap

When he was on Talk-Sport a few weeks ago he said he wanted to take a break from the game for a bit and had turned down quite a few offers. Definately wants to be back in management though.

 

[sitwell]

Billy davies ?? I really cant cant believe some of the posts on here. The only manager i have ever seen trying to kill a game and waste time after 3 minutes at 0-0. I am struggling to name a manager whos style i would hate more than Blackwell but you have succeeded.
Billy Fucking Davies

 

[mickerz-blade]

You can say the same about many managers, (Curbishley!) doesn't make them crap

When he was on Talk-Sport a few weeks ago he said he wanted to take a break from the game for a bit and had turned down quite a few offers. Definately wants to be back in management though.

He would say that though wouldn't he.
This is one bloke I don't want for our manager.
His overall win percentage is not as good as Wilson s and BD has had more to work with at fewer clubs in terms of resources. Wilson s current win rate is well above 50% and you want to start again with someone new?

 

[Torrix1889]

He would say that though wouldn't he.
This is one bloke I don't want for our manager.
His overall win percentage is not as good as Wilson s and BD has had more to work with at fewer clubs in terms of resources. Wilson s current win rate is well above 50% and you want to start again with someone new?

Where did I say I wanted Davies as manager or anyone else for that matter....? My opinion was that Davies would get more out of our current crop of players than Wilson.

Wilsons win rate may be higher but he's spent the last 9 years managing teams, (largely unsuccesfully) in the bottom two tiers. Comparatively he has got the best squad he has managed in the last 10 years at the biggest club he has managed since the Massive and he's failing miserably.. again in my opinion!

 

[mickerz-blade]

Where did I say I wanted Davies as manager or anyone else for that matter....? My opinion was that Davies would get more out of our current crop of players than Wilson.

Wilsons win rate may be higher but he's spent the last 9 years managing teams, (largely unsuccesfully) in the bottom two tiers. Comparatively he has got the best squad he has managed in the last 10 years at the biggest club he has managed since the Massive and he's failing miserably.. again in my opinion!

So you don't want a manager who would have us five points clear?