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pommpey said:
Another dirty win, another three points. Hull to their credit didn't come to be beaten at all and come the second half up to them going down to ten looked likely to rob us of two points. There are patterns forming here, in some ways worrying but thankfully unresolved. We start like a fucking house on fire, take an early lead with some decently landed punches then on twenty we switch off and allow the opposition far too much bandwidth and capability to hold us, then press us back in our half so we eventually finish the game camped round our box. Blackpool at home, Norwich at home and even recently Stoke all looked like they could bounce back and shock us. Although we are grateful for riding high at the summit and still in with a challenge on Burnley who look resilient and unbeatable. We don't. We taper off from 20 to 90, giving seventy minutes of gathering peril and worry. Even with ten men on the pitch against us tonight we still never made use of the hole it left and Rosenior even stuck on more attacking options. We spent a great deal of that second half playing the game up at the Bramall Lane end and not sealing the win. Sure, we attacked, but we failed to get it sufficiently together to find Jebbison or Ndaiye to get a shot in on goal. We also spent a lot of the game backtracking after telegraphing balls when on the advance

Hull as said have their share of decent players. Connolly is a good catch and yeah, he's always been a shithouser. But the failings in our team are small but significant and don't permit United to win without penalty. It gives cynics like me the time when we eventually lose to say 'told you so' instead of 'well, it was bound to happen'. I'd rather Hacky startegised the game to control it better if we are ahead. His subs tonight suggested he was far from doing that and it was more desperate punts rather than measured options. Where was Coulibally and McAtee? Why bring on Osborn for Doyle? Sharp for Jebbo? It fells like he's grasping at straws instead of trying to manage the game.

Foderingham 6.5/10: Decent enough game save for daft 'pass it out from the back' choices and the odd punch-where-he-should-have-caught.
Bogle 8.5./10: Drops a half point for an unnecessary yellow card, but again, showed that our right side is mostly complete and ready for the next level, especially with him in the team and not Baldock who is vey much yesterday's defender now
Anel 6.5/10: Involved in the goal and on the advance but in other areas he was somewhat fragile and lacking in vision especially dealing with threats on the ground. Shit pass to Bogle late on
Egan 7.5/10: Got himself right in the fight at the back. Some key headers and interventions. A better game from him.
Robinson 7/10: Some typically robust and committed tackles from him especially in his battle with Connolly. Daft yellow card really. Elsewhere he was okay save for that daft 'play out from the back' which he is never good at.
Lowe 6/10: Quiet game from him and some errors which was disappointing
Norwood 7.5/10: He was really up in the business end in the first half. Because Hull played a narrow back four they gave Lowe and Bogle acres of room out wide and this is where Norwood's Hollywood passes paid out in silver dollars. Second half he was a bit less prominent and pulled deeper to defend and break up Hull's midfield ambitions
Doyle 7/10: Thought he had a great game. He was tenacious, chasing up and down the pitch and out on his side, and stuck to his task. Then he gets subbed. For fucking Osborn. Baffling.
Berge 4.5/10: A slightly better game for Berge, but not by much. Made some headers and ball at feet forays and got into key areas but when we are struggling late on, we need him to carry the ball up the park to relieve the pressure. Get us back on the attack. Play in their half. Instead ... where the fuck is he? No one fears him. Not many pass to him either. He's just not that fucking good, is he?
NDaiye 8/10: Great game. He's just determined to make oppositions fear him being near them, or advancing on goal with purpose. His unsuccessful dance through their defence late on was just shy of that bit of luck to sneak the ball to a waiting
Jebbison 7.5/10: Less effective later on, mainly because we didn't attack like we did in the first half. But fuck me he took his goal well and mixed it up with real purpose with their midfield and defence. I like this kid. He's everything Brewster isn't and then some more and works well with people on either side, creating options and outlets. Next year and some decent game time and he could be a world beater.

Osborn 5/10: Puzzling substitution. He ran about a bit and got into wide areas but his delivery and decision making out there was typically '18 months ago' and somewhat frustrating
Basham 5/10: Didn't see much of him in Berge's position save for a more reassured figure and possibly someone willing to get the ball up the pitch
Sharp 5/10: Did what he had to but bringing him on for Jebbo who still had legs on him was silly. What was he bringing to the game?
McBurnie 5/10: Got himself on the ball straight away and looks eager to prove a point that coming back from injury doesn't involve lengthy first team rehabilitation. Typical dust up from him for their red card

HJ&SMcC: 6/10: A win is another win and thanks guys. But what puzzles me is the lack of drive in the team to control the opposition when we are ahead. This doesn't happen so much when we are away from home. We seem able to cope better when not listening to 29k of Bramall Lane, which is odd. The stadium sounded in fine voice tonight but down there on the green stuff the longer the evening dragged on, the more sandbags we had to put up. Sure, we'll go up at this rate. But I feel that I'd be a lot more confident if tonight's result was 2-0 and we played much of the second half kicking toward the kop and down at that end. It seemed that the red card was the only thing that popped their balloon and it's a shame. We are better than that. We have far more capability built into a pretty slender team. Where was Coullibally? Why wasn't McAtee shoved on to get at their tiring defence?

FA Cup next, like anyone gives a fuck. I'd like us not to get beaten by Wrexham and draw a big club to Bramall Lane, but it exposes us to more risk of injury, especially NdAiye, Bogle and Jebbison who are now the spine of the team.

pommpey
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Love the critique of the Management. Spot on.
 
love jebbos enthusiasm and he led the line well as for berge i would only give him a 3 didnt look interested to me and why he didnt just hit that one from 20 yards out in first half i dont know no defenders within 5 yards of him
 
Excellent write up as usual, Pommps

I’ve moaned about our midfield for years now…somehow it’s much, much less than the sum of its parts. Each individual player is pretty good, but somehow they don’t gel together collectively. Hull’s midfield bossed us for long periods last night.

It was a really good win, but not particularly a convincing one and our midfield always gives me cause for concern.
 
The header that Berge is being criticised for missing arrived level if not behind him, he had all on to get his head on it.
still no excuse for him wandering around and letting the game pass him by. Although he was more involved last night than previously, just wish he would impose himself on the match and the opposition more.
 
Bell4 said:
It is fascinating isn’t it

Makes great reading though -
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I think that certain players will actually start at a higher or lower score than others. Osborn comes on, is basically starting at a 5 and has to work twice as hard as, for example, McAtee, who might start at a 6 or 7 level, as he is a fans favourite.
 
On Berge again, he was better but I’ve just remembered the moment early on when he just passed the ball out of play on the right 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
s4-blade said:
Berge was good tonight. Physical, won the ball back in good positions and much better in possession.

Hopefully this is the end of the injury he’s been carrying.

Some people can’t wait to slag off though.
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Did you watch the match through out?

He was gash. I noticed a few worrying things about him. Is it confidence or injury worry.

There were plenty of times he ran away from the ball and when we were on the offensive he seemed to run into positions where no one would pass to him. His passing was in most part bad.

Just very off form or not as good as we thought he would be.

EDIT: I’d swap him for Serri. He was great for Hull last night.
 
Good report but a bit harsh on the overall performance because Hull are in form but we should have beaten them probably 3-1 .
 
It's clear that to a degree we all have our favourites and scapegoats and that clearly impacts how we see their performance. I thought Berge played very well and JLT was the weak link in the team but others saw it completely differently. And yes I'm a fan of Berge and think JLT is a bit shit.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Everyone is rightfully praising Hecky BUT you imagine if Backpool, Wigan, Stoke or Hull had have scored a late equalizer
then Hecky would be receiving some right stick for being Southgatesque, a negative manager who makes late negative substitutions.
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What if we’d conceded an equaliser by losing the ball whilst committing too many men forwards chasing a second goal? Then he’d get criticised for that. If you lose, you tend to get criticised and people will always take the view that if you’d done the opposite of what you did, you’d have got a result. I’d much prefer us to kill games off but not by taking big risks that aren’t necessary. We’re solid in defence because we don’t take many risks, particularly when we’re in front.
I always think back to the classic Liverpool v Arsenal game when all Barnes had to do was keep possession but he played a cross into the box, Arsenal broke and scored the goal that won them the league. I think that changed the mentality of managers. Look at how often after that players started taking it to the corner to kill time. I like my teams to play attacking football but promotion is so important this season I genuinely don’t care how we do it, providing we do.
 
s4-blade said:
Some people can’t wait to slag off though.
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Fair comment, critisicsm of Pommpey's harsh undiluted style does crop up every now and then
however you have to realise that Pommpey is consistently in the mould of Simon Jordan, the outspoken presenter on Talksport.

Sometimes I think his comments are out of line, like some sort of WUM attention seeker.

However the big difference (which is significant) between a WUM/ attention seeker and Pommpey
is that Pommpey will argue his point giving other examples and his interpretation of the facts.
Also he isn't contrary just for the sake of it. There has been matches (like Reading and Blackburn at home) when his reviews were gushingly positive.

I find that some reviews/ reviewers are too middle of the road, non offensive and quite bland. So I welcome the more undiluted Simon Jordan style, tell us how you think reviews, as long as it's consistent with the points having some validity, it's a different style and provides food for thought.
 
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BiggerBladeThanThou said:
I’d love to do a PHD into football fans opinions and viewpoints on the same game.

It’s so interesting seeing how any two people can view a game so differently.
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It is.

To some people Keith Edwards was the best goal scorer we ever had. To others he did bugger all outside the box and was lazy.

The fact is he was probably both !
 
Wooodwaard said:
A fair reply but you say "Berge was much better" ...but bare in mind we payed like £20m for this guy, he's well short of that. He's good on the ball but does nothing to win it and get stuck in, you can count the headers he's won since he joined us on one had
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Maybe the bar was quite low to start with, but last night he was much better than previous games.
 
Think it's interesting to read the view of others regarding some of our younger players. To me I thought that certainly Doyle needed replacing as his legs had gone and as we are short of players to play down the left Osborne seemed the obvious player to bring on.
Jebbison was also tiring and I didn't have a problem with bringing Billy on, we see it time and time again that late on in a game he helps us to get up the pitch.
I'm still slightly puzzled as to why our younger players run out of steam so early in the second half.
It was yet another game where second half the opposition had much more of the ball and put us under pressure, but they never looked like scoring did they.
 
Wooodwaard said:
A fair reply but you say "Berge was much better" ...but bare in mind we payed like £20m for this guy, he's well short of that. He's good on the ball but does nothing to win it and get stuck in, you can count the headers he's won since he joined us on one had
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I thought he was a bit better in this game. Not sure I would use someone's heading ability as a yardstick for their prowess. How many times did you see Woody head the ball.? Mainly didn't need to cos he could hit it like a thunderbolt and TC used to give him the ball at his feet to run onto.
 
By the way, although I don't condone the behaviour, and he needs to keep it "in-check", t'owd Robbo throwing the Hull player to the floor was a sight to see, the lad is obviously the enforcer in our team. As I have said before, in an interview ages ago with Wes Fodderingham, when the interviewer was asking funny questions like "who is the messiest in the dressing room?", "who is the funniest lad in the squad", etc., as soon as he said "who is the hard man in the team", Wes (without hesitation) said "David McGoldrick and Jack Robinson".

There was at least one occasion last night, where Robbo ran forward and lowered his head to head a low ball clear, and a Hull player took a kick at it, which could have ended in injury or at least the ref blowing his whistle, so fair play to Robbo for being committed.
 
s4-blade said:
Berge was good tonight. Physical, won the ball back in good positions and much better in possession.

Hopefully this is the end of the injury he’s been carrying.

Some people can’t wait to slag off though.
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pommpey said:
Your response, because of a low mark on a player you rate is equally bizarre.

'Slag off'. Love it. What an expression steeped in childishness

pommpey
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Comedy gold again - Old Pomps calls "Slag off" - "an expression steeped in childishness" WOW!

After the opening of multiple sluice gates, issuing forth endless paragraphs of obscene vile bile from this guy whenever anyone disagrees with him (for example - teenage schoolboy social media bullying of Sander Berge/Oliver Norwood) he has the balls to react like that! Dare anyone ruffle this Peacock's feathers??? (I retreat to a corner and cower in fear of his very sharp pointy finger on the keyboard)
 
Heaven knows I'm no Berge fan but I thought he had a decent game. He laid on a couple of good chances that could have been scored and even did some nice defensive work. He seems to have given up on those marauding runs, however.

I'll also go against the grain and say Osborn was a good substitution, I thought he did very well, harried them in the middle and also contributed going forward.
 
It's always interesting to watch these extended highlights which come out the day after the game.

I think they generally show every touch for both teams in the opposition box, any corners/freekicks and any other chances.

For last night it's interesting the Hull really only had 1 chance all night compared to 3 or 4 for the blades and a few half chances as well

 
Grappler said:
By the way, although I don't condone the behaviour, and he needs to keep it "in-check", t'owd Robbo throwing the Hull player to the floor was a sight to see, the lad is obviously the enforcer in our team. As I have said before, in an interview ages ago with Wes Fodderingham, when the interviewer was asking funny questions like "who is the messiest in the dressing room?", "who is the funniest lad in the squad", etc., as soon as he said "who is the hard man in the team", Wes (without hesitation) said "David McGoldrick and Jack Robinson".

There was at least one occasion last night, where Robbo ran forward and lowered his head to head a low ball clear, and a Hull player took a kick at it, which could have ended in injury or at least the ref blowing his whistle, so fair play to Robbo for being committed.
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Here we go...........

 
pommpey said:
Another dirty win, another three points. Hull to their credit didn't come to be beaten at all and come the second half up to them going down to ten looked likely to rob us of two points. There are patterns forming here, in some ways worrying but thankfully unresolved. We start like a fucking house on fire, take an early lead with some decently landed punches then on twenty we switch off and allow the opposition far too much bandwidth and capability to hold us, then press us back in our half so we eventually finish the game camped round our box. Blackpool at home, Norwich at home and even recently Stoke all looked like they could bounce back and shock us. Although we are grateful for riding high at the summit and still in with a challenge on Burnley who look resilient and unbeatable. We don't. We taper off from 20 to 90, giving seventy minutes of gathering peril and worry. Even with ten men on the pitch against us tonight we still never made use of the hole it left and Rosenior even stuck on more attacking options. We spent a great deal of that second half playing the game up at the Bramall Lane end and not sealing the win. Sure, we attacked, but we failed to get it sufficiently together to find Jebbison or Ndaiye to get a shot in on goal. We also spent a lot of the game backtracking after telegraphing balls when on the advance

Hull as said have their share of decent players. Connolly is a good catch and yeah, he's always been a shithouser. But the failings in our team are small but significant and don't permit United to win without penalty. It gives cynics like me the time when we eventually lose to say 'told you so' instead of 'well, it was bound to happen'. I'd rather Hacky startegised the game to control it better if we are ahead. His subs tonight suggested he was far from doing that and it was more desperate punts rather than measured options. Where was Coulibally and McAtee? Why bring on Osborn for Doyle? Sharp for Jebbo? It fells like he's grasping at straws instead of trying to manage the game.

Foderingham 6.5/10: Decent enough game save for daft 'pass it out from the back' choices and the odd punch-where-he-should-have-caught.
Bogle 8.5./10: Drops a half point for an unnecessary yellow card, but again, showed that our right side is mostly complete and ready for the next level, especially with him in the team and not Baldock who is vey much yesterday's defender now
Anel 6.5/10: Involved in the goal and on the advance but in other areas he was somewhat fragile and lacking in vision especially dealing with threats on the ground. Shit pass to Bogle late on
Egan 7.5/10: Got himself right in the fight at the back. Some key headers and interventions. A better game from him.
Robinson 7/10: Some typically robust and committed tackles from him especially in his battle with Connolly. Daft yellow card really. Elsewhere he was okay save for that daft 'play out from the back' which he is never good at.
Lowe 6/10: Quiet game from him and some errors which was disappointing
Norwood 7.5/10: He was really up in the business end in the first half. Because Hull played a narrow back four they gave Lowe and Bogle acres of room out wide and this is where Norwood's Hollywood passes paid out in silver dollars. Second half he was a bit less prominent and pulled deeper to defend and break up Hull's midfield ambitions
Doyle 7/10: Thought he had a great game. He was tenacious, chasing up and down the pitch and out on his side, and stuck to his task. Then he gets subbed. For fucking Osborn. Baffling.
Berge 4.5/10: A slightly better game for Berge, but not by much. Made some headers and ball at feet forays and got into key areas but when we are struggling late on, we need him to carry the ball up the park to relieve the pressure. Get us back on the attack. Play in their half. Instead ... where the fuck is he? No one fears him. Not many pass to him either. He's just not that fucking good, is he?
NDaiye 8/10: Great game. He's just determined to make oppositions fear him being near them, or advancing on goal with purpose. His unsuccessful dance through their defence late on was just shy of that bit of luck to sneak the ball to a waiting
Jebbison 7.5/10: Less effective later on, mainly because we didn't attack like we did in the first half. But fuck me he took his goal well and mixed it up with real purpose with their midfield and defence. I like this kid. He's everything Brewster isn't and then some more and works well with people on either side, creating options and outlets. Next year and some decent game time and he could be a world beater.

Osborn 5/10: Puzzling substitution. He ran about a bit and got into wide areas but his delivery and decision making out there was typically '18 months ago' and somewhat frustrating
Basham 5/10: Didn't see much of him in Berge's position save for a more reassured figure and possibly someone willing to get the ball up the pitch
Sharp 5/10: Did what he had to but bringing him on for Jebbo who still had legs on him was silly. What was he bringing to the game?
McBurnie 5/10: Got himself on the ball straight away and looks eager to prove a point that coming back from injury doesn't involve lengthy first team rehabilitation. Typical dust up from him for their red card

HJ&SMcC: 6/10: A win is another win and thanks guys. But what puzzles me is the lack of drive in the team to control the opposition when we are ahead. This doesn't happen so much when we are away from home. We seem able to cope better when not listening to 29k of Bramall Lane, which is odd. The stadium sounded in fine voice tonight but down there on the green stuff the longer the evening dragged on, the more sandbags we had to put up. Sure, we'll go up at this rate. But I feel that I'd be a lot more confident if tonight's result was 2-0 and we played much of the second half kicking toward the kop and down at that end. It seemed that the red card was the only thing that popped their balloon and it's a shame. We are better than that. We have far more capability built into a pretty slender team. Where was Coullibally? Why wasn't McAtee shoved on to get at their tiring defence?

FA Cup next, like anyone gives a fuck. I'd like us not to get beaten by Wrexham and draw a big club to Bramall Lane, but it exposes us to more risk of injury, especially NdAiye, Bogle and Jebbison who are now the spine of the team.

pommpey
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Great Post Pommpey some great points .
It's as though we are tactilley bringing teams on to us ! That's a dangerous game to play .
I don't enjoy the latter stages of games both home and away !the results keep coming so what do I know.As you say control of game goes out the window.
Just hope the results keep coming ..
 
pommpey said:
Another dirty win, another three points. Hull to their credit didn't come to be beaten at all and come the second half up to them going down to ten looked likely to rob us of two points. There are patterns forming here, in some ways worrying but thankfully unresolved. We start like a fucking house on fire, take an early lead with some decently landed punches then on twenty we switch off and allow the opposition far too much bandwidth and capability to hold us, then press us back in our half so we eventually finish the game camped round our box. Blackpool at home, Norwich at home and even recently Stoke all looked like they could bounce back and shock us. Although we are grateful for riding high at the summit and still in with a challenge on Burnley who look resilient and unbeatable. We don't. We taper off from 20 to 90, giving seventy minutes of gathering peril and worry. Even with ten men on the pitch against us tonight we still never made use of the hole it left and Rosenior even stuck on more attacking options. We spent a great deal of that second half playing the game up at the Bramall Lane end and not sealing the win. Sure, we attacked, but we failed to get it sufficiently together to find Jebbison or Ndaiye to get a shot in on goal. We also spent a lot of the game backtracking after telegraphing balls when on the advance

Hull as said have their share of decent players. Connolly is a good catch and yeah, he's always been a shithouser. But the failings in our team are small but significant and don't permit United to win without penalty. It gives cynics like me the time when we eventually lose to say 'told you so' instead of 'well, it was bound to happen'. I'd rather Hacky startegised the game to control it better if we are ahead. His subs tonight suggested he was far from doing that and it was more desperate punts rather than measured options. Where was Coulibally and McAtee? Why bring on Osborn for Doyle? Sharp for Jebbo? It fells like he's grasping at straws instead of trying to manage the game.

Foderingham 6.5/10: Decent enough game save for daft 'pass it out from the back' choices and the odd punch-where-he-should-have-caught.
Bogle 8.5./10: Drops a half point for an unnecessary yellow card, but again, showed that our right side is mostly complete and ready for the next level, especially with him in the team and not Baldock who is vey much yesterday's defender now
Anel 6.5/10: Involved in the goal and on the advance but in other areas he was somewhat fragile and lacking in vision especially dealing with threats on the ground. Shit pass to Bogle late on
Egan 7.5/10: Got himself right in the fight at the back. Some key headers and interventions. A better game from him.
Robinson 7/10: Some typically robust and committed tackles from him especially in his battle with Connolly. Daft yellow card really. Elsewhere he was okay save for that daft 'play out from the back' which he is never good at.
Lowe 6/10: Quiet game from him and some errors which was disappointing
Norwood 7.5/10: He was really up in the business end in the first half. Because Hull played a narrow back four they gave Lowe and Bogle acres of room out wide and this is where Norwood's Hollywood passes paid out in silver dollars. Second half he was a bit less prominent and pulled deeper to defend and break up Hull's midfield ambitions
Doyle 7/10: Thought he had a great game. He was tenacious, chasing up and down the pitch and out on his side, and stuck to his task. Then he gets subbed. For fucking Osborn. Baffling.
Berge 4.5/10: A slightly better game for Berge, but not by much. Made some headers and ball at feet forays and got into key areas but when we are struggling late on, we need him to carry the ball up the park to relieve the pressure. Get us back on the attack. Play in their half. Instead ... where the fuck is he? No one fears him. Not many pass to him either. He's just not that fucking good, is he?
NDaiye 8/10: Great game. He's just determined to make oppositions fear him being near them, or advancing on goal with purpose. His unsuccessful dance through their defence late on was just shy of that bit of luck to sneak the ball to a waiting
Jebbison 7.5/10: Less effective later on, mainly because we didn't attack like we did in the first half. But fuck me he took his goal well and mixed it up with real purpose with their midfield and defence. I like this kid. He's everything Brewster isn't and then some more and works well with people on either side, creating options and outlets. Next year and some decent game time and he could be a world beater.

Osborn 5/10: Puzzling substitution. He ran about a bit and got into wide areas but his delivery and decision making out there was typically '18 months ago' and somewhat frustrating
Basham 5/10: Didn't see much of him in Berge's position save for a more reassured figure and possibly someone willing to get the ball up the pitch
Sharp 5/10: Did what he had to but bringing him on for Jebbo who still had legs on him was silly. What was he bringing to the game?
McBurnie 5/10: Got himself on the ball straight away and looks eager to prove a point that coming back from injury doesn't involve lengthy first team rehabilitation. Typical dust up from him for their red card

HJ&SMcC: 6/10: A win is another win and thanks guys. But what puzzles me is the lack of drive in the team to control the opposition when we are ahead. This doesn't happen so much when we are away from home. We seem able to cope better when not listening to 29k of Bramall Lane, which is odd. The stadium sounded in fine voice tonight but down there on the green stuff the longer the evening dragged on, the more sandbags we had to put up. Sure, we'll go up at this rate. But I feel that I'd be a lot more confident if tonight's result was 2-0 and we played much of the second half kicking toward the kop and down at that end. It seemed that the red card was the only thing that popped their balloon and it's a shame. We are better than that. We have far more capability built into a pretty slender team. Where was Coullibally? Why wasn't McAtee shoved on to get at their tiring defence?

FA Cup next, like anyone gives a fuck. I'd like us not to get beaten by Wrexham and draw a big club to Bramall Lane, but it exposes us to more risk of injury, especially NdAiye, Bogle and Jebbison who are now the spine of the team.

pommpey
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First one I’ve read in an age. I’ve always been quick to register my disapproval so it’s only fair that I should say that was a good read. 👍
 
bertieblade said:
The header that Berge is being criticised for missing arrived level if not behind him, he had all on to get his head on it.
still no excuse for him wandering around and letting the game pass him by. Although he was more involved last night than previously, just wish he would impose himself on the match and the opposition more.
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All this
 

100% spot on Pommpey. Don't stop calling it as it is not as rosy glasses wish it to be.
Yes Great result. Way below par performance wise given the ability and talent fielded. Again.
 
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