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Interesting that several fans seem convinced he will be fine and next season we will see a different player.

After 9 months i am yet to see him even do the basics well- control, passing, running, movement, heading, hold up, dribbling, work ethic, chasing.

He literally comes on and just kicks it as hard as he can towards the goal - rarely goes anywhere near.

I am astonished how bad he is. I don;t get all this he is a young kid and needs time. in 3 months is he going to suddently develop basics which he clearly does not have. There is no foundations to him being a competent striker.

I hate to say it but he looks a complete dud and as you say is the worst ever signing United have made. 23 million. Deary me. It's incredible. He does not look a £230,000 player at the moment. There are lads lower down the leagues and academy lads (see Jebbison) that show more movement, passion, football brain and get the game.

This lad does not get it. I am sorry to say all those keep saying it's a confidence things. It's not at all. He is just not up to it. Maybe next season we may see more but I remain unconvinced that without the basics, how he can help the side. We cannot keep carrying him. I'd put him behind even Burke (he's abysmal) in terms of ability to do things - least Burke amongst the comedy had set up or scored the odd goal or had an odd run. This guy has literally done nothing in 9 months. Zero goals. Zero assists.

The above is not on tonight as they were all crap but at some point you have to just think it's not the system, confidence or such like, but just he is not good enough.

Pray I come back in a year and I've got it completely wrong.

I get what you are saying and it's all fair enough criticism imo. The one thing I will say is that maybe he is a player who is very much reliant on service from midfield and out wide, and attacking moves being made at pace on the break. Something we as a team have failed miserably to provide or do at all this season. The fact that he's not missing chance after chance could mean that if we ever do get a midfield or wide players that create then he might thrive on the service and become the player we all hoped he would be.

That said, he's certainly not helped himself with the apparent lack of interest and workrate. But I suppose if you are constantly making the right runs and the ball is never played to you (happened tonight with the young lad up front) then it doesn't take long before you stop making those same runs as you know the ball isn't gunna come your way.

I'm clinging to the hope that a rehash of the team next season sees Brewster come good yet, but his workrate has to improve massively. He looked a decent player on loan at Swansea last season.
 

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I get what you are saying and it's all fair enough criticism imo. The one thing I will say is that maybe is a player who is very much reliant on service from midfield and out wide, and attacking moves being made at pace on the break. Something we as a team have failed miserably at all season. The fact that he's not missing chance after chance could mean that if we ever do get a midfield that creates then he might thrive on the service and become the player we all hoped he would be.

That said, he's certainly not helped himself with the apparent lack of interest and workrate. But I suppose if you are constantly making the right runs and the ball is never played to you (happened tonight with the young lad up front) then it doesn't take long before you stop making those same runs as you know the ball isn't gunna come your way.

I'm clinginf to the hope that a rehash of the team next season sees Brewster come good.

I hope you are right but he is not even moving or trying to get into good areas. He is statuesque and that means that defenders will find him easy to mark.
 

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I honestly believe Wilder decided to go out of embarrassment of being duped into paying 23m for Brewster. A man who found pearls like Basham and OConnell being sold a pup by some devious Scousers. 27 occasions to show even a hint of promise. Force a keeper to pull off a spectacular save. To wrong foot a defender or show a clean pair of heels .
Not one moment of justification of a fee........Never mind 23 big ones
Trenton Wiggan looks like we bought Ronaldo by comparison
 

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I hope you are right but he is not even moving or trying to get into good areas. He is statuesque and that means that defenders will find him easy to mark.

I think he's a young lad who has got the mug on a bit as things haven't worked out as he thought, he's felt sorry for himself and he's wrote this season off. Tbf, the vast majority of our brave lads also wrote this season off from around September and have also been spineless.
 

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The bit that gets me is how we manage to slow our own attacks right down. Norwood was outstanding at this tonight, I take it this was due to the first 15 mins of giving the ball away. The only player who looked positive was didzy, if only he could score as well as he creates.
We missed Baldock, even my Mrs said that we don't really have any wingers. Ah well, last week is now just a memory. Let's hope the new manager can turn us around.
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Interesting that several fans seem convinced he will be fine and next season we will see a different player.

After 9 months i am yet to see him even do the basics well- control, passing, running, movement, heading, hold up, dribbling, work ethic, chasing.

He literally comes on and just kicks it as hard as he can towards the goal - rarely goes anywhere near.

I am astonished how bad he is. I don;t get all this he is a young kid and needs time. in 3 months is he going to suddently develop basics which he clearly does not have. There is no foundations to him being a competent striker.

I hate to say it but he looks a complete dud and as you say is the worst ever signing United have made. 23 million. Deary me. It's incredible. He does not look a £230,000 player at the moment. There are lads lower down the leagues and academy lads (see Jebbison) that show more movement, passion, football brain and get the game.

This lad does not get it. I am sorry to say all those keep saying it's a confidence things. It's not at all. He is just not up to it. Maybe next season we may see more but I remain unconvinced that without the basics, how he can help the side. We cannot keep carrying him. I'd put him behind even Burke (he's abysmal) in terms of ability to do things - least Burke amongst the comedy had set up or scored the odd goal or had an odd run. This guy has literally done nothing in 9 months. Zero goals. Zero assists.

The above is not on tonight as they were all crap but at some point you have to just think it's not the system, confidence or such like, but just he is not good enough.

Pray I come back in a year and I've got it completely wrong.

Got to agree, he looks like a kid who has been forced to move to a club he doesn't want to be at. Jebbison blinds him for movement off the ball, Brewster looks to have the weight of the world on his shoulders, he has to make things happen otherwise I see a rapid descent into non league.
 

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A massive let down after letting myself be encouraged by the display against Everton.

Defence and midfield may as well have stayed in the changing room for all the impact they had on the game.

Didzy tried and looked like he’s trying to prove that a promoted club should take a punt on him next season.

Ramsdale is going to get sold because he is by far and away our best player since Christmas and someone will easily part with £20m+ for a good keeper, particularly if they manage to put something more effective than a set of training mannequins in front of him.

Felt for Jebbison as he had no chance tonight.

Back to doom and gloom for me I’m afraid.
 
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Interesting that several fans seem convinced he will be fine and next season we will see a different player.

After 9 months i am yet to see him even do the basics well- control, passing, running, movement, heading, hold up, dribbling, work ethic, chasing.

He literally comes on and just kicks it as hard as he can towards the goal - rarely goes anywhere near.

I am astonished how bad he is. I don;t get all this he is a young kid and needs time. in 3 months is he going to suddently develop basics which he clearly does not have. There is no foundations to him being a competent striker.

I hate to say it but he looks a complete dud and as you say is the worst ever signing United have made. 23 million. Deary me. It's incredible. He does not look a £230,000 player at the moment. There are lads lower down the leagues and academy lads (see Jebbison) that show more movement, passion, football brain and get the game.

This lad does not get it. I am sorry to say all those keep saying it's a confidence things. It's not at all. He is just not up to it. Maybe next season we may see more but I remain unconvinced that without the basics, how he can help the side. We cannot keep carrying him. I'd put him behind even Burke (he's abysmal) in terms of ability to do things - least Burke amongst the comedy had set up or scored the odd goal or had an odd run. This guy has literally done nothing in 9 months. Zero goals. Zero assists.

The above is not on tonight as they were all crap but at some point you have to just think it's not the system, confidence or such like, but just he is not good enough.

Pray I come back in a year and I've got it completely wrong.
He's definitely been a dud in the Premier league that's for sure. He will probably have more success in the championship next season but we didn't folk out that kind of cash for a championship striker.. I'm afraid to say it... He was a panic buy, even more than all the bog roll during the pandemic.. Brewster is as useful as a bog roll for covid.. Hopefully Jebbo is the vaccine.
 
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Jeb's all round game looked better tonight. He looked more settled on the ball, made some nice passes but by christ he's a striker who needs service. His goal v Everton showed he has a striker's brain, positioning and anticipation. He won't score with ua getting wide, looking up then playing it back. As for Brewster, I hold out little hope, showed me nothing in 20 odd games.
 

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Only Ramsdale is PL quality. For me he is our player of the season. Nobody else comes anywhere near him as was shown tonight by this dismal team performance, once again

Ramsdale leaves me thinking what might’ve been. If he had settled into the team better and started the season somewhere close his second half of the season form, where would we be now?

If he’d played better we might’ve picked up a few early results, kept confidence high and been in the battle for survival this season.

At least he now looks a good signing, just to finish this post on a positive!
 

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Just a carbon copy of the majority of our games this season Pommpay.

The system CWAK devised is not dead !
unfortunately to take to the next level needs a group of players we just havnt got and probably never will .Technically gifted with a great work ethic is the level required through the entire team.
Gaining promotion with a squad full of the work ethic bit was a great achievement unfortunately the technical bit was not good enough ,teams found it easy to work us out when the impetus of promotion wore off in lockdown.
If O'Connell hadnt been lost to injury and an upgrade in creativity been acheaved maybe things would have been different.
This system with the right players could be great infact a form of total football with all players comfortable on the ball.
I think our new manager will change the way we play maybe start with a back 3
the overlapping bit will be binned as getting centrebacks to take the rolls O'connell& Basham play will be almost impossible to replicate ( 2 centrebacks with the fitness and nous they brought to the team ).
Bielsa even tried it in the past a d rates it.
Unfortunately the specialised nature of some of the rolls makes it tough to find players who can step into these specialised rolls when injuries kick in.
As we found with O'Connell.
and what specialst rolls are they? Spinnach and goats cheese or avacado and bilberry?
 

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Missed the first half hour, for some strange reason. The stagnation of interest and resignation that despite the last game's heroics may be a one off prevented me from checking tonight's kick off time and I did think it was seven o'clock. Not that it made any difference.

I'll take anyone's word that we started brightly and apparently Didsy missed a sitter. I did catch Ramsdale's astonishing save from Shelvey in the advert-packed half time break but by the time I had tuned in it looked like we were plaing 5-4-1 with Wilderball written all over it. What the fuck happened to the creativity and drive at Goodison? Or were Everton flatteringly shit like Man U were and both our away wins were because of the opposition, not in spite of our opposition? Seems so.

In the final fifteen of the first half we seemed to be back playing display opposition football, with Saint Maximan and Omiron practically running the match, waiting for the key moment when we stick or chins out to have it punched. Trouble is theses days were can't take a punch, a bit like Amir Kahn and even a grazing blow has us down on the canvas, and losing every subsequent round on points. Again, front to back we lost the battles and our back three seems to be unravelling badly with Basham and Egan forgetting the basics of marking. St James's hasn't been kind to us or even John Egan in the past and today he looked one eighth of that towering Irish brick shithouse we came up to the Premier League with. The midfield, even bolstered by the still mercurial McGoldrick looked bereft of ideas with them again, working the ball down the flanks only to be boxed in effectively. Please see my past assessment on the failures of Wilderball some months ago now. The only saving grace is that as ASM and Joelinton got injured and they eventually brought on Gayle and Longstaff, their contribution was slightly less threatening on the break. I had Dwight Gayle as a possibly target for us once, but on tonight's showing I am glad we didn't. He's fucking pisswater.

Second half we still pursued the predictable flank play, wasted a shitload of chances, shit crosses, corners, free kicks and despite Didsy's epic punt onto the crossbar, was Dubravka's injury just out of boredom or want to get some camera time? We'd never see him flying through the air, would we? Every time we got near their box it ended up back with Robinson or Egan and it was recycled up, then back, up, then back. Again, we just never even looked remotely like scoring, Jebbo and Brewster or not.

Ramsdale 10/10: Some breathtaking saves. Really good now and dare I say it, at Henderson levels of goalkeeping output. Welcome back at last Aaron
Bogle 4/10: Poor showing from him. He is not a RWB and was left picking Willock up for their goal where he barely laid a glove on him
Basham 3/10: Not really an effective performance from Bash. Looks like he either needs a rest, or out of the club. Hope it's not the latter
Egan 4/10: A poor performance for him. Some okay clearances but all in all his move under the ball for their goal was unforgivable
Robinson 5.5/10: Stronger game from him and since his injury break has come back more robust and less robotic
Stevens 4/10: Again, stripped for pace by ASM and others. Back to basics for him
Osborn 5/10: A lot of intense, busy running about as usual but with nowt to show for it
Norwood 2/10: Back to his usual pointy, beatable self with fuck all to show for what the commentator said about his ability at dead ball situations. He has nothing to offer.
Fleck 4.5/10: Not effective for much of the match
McGoldrick 6/10: Only just for his crossbar hit and some deft control but he was basically chasing the game and trying to work a way in whilst the fuckin'-fuckkaz dropped deep and mopped us up in the second half
Jebbison 5/10: I am being generous but he had nowt to go on. Poor kid.

Brewster 4/10: A few touches and links but he's not effective at all, is he? Let's stop kidding ourselves here and say that the PL is not his game, huh?
Seriki n/a: Don't think he touched the ball

One more fucking game to go and we can forget this fucking season, goddammit. It has been the lowest point for me as a Unitedite.

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Interesting that several fans seem convinced he will be fine and next season we will see a different player.

After 9 months i am yet to see him even do the basics well- control, passing, running, movement, heading, hold up, dribbling, work ethic, chasing.

He literally comes on and just kicks it as hard as he can towards the goal - rarely goes anywhere near.

I am astonished how bad he is. I don;t get all this he is a young kid and needs time. in 3 months is he going to suddently develop basics which he clearly does not have. There is no foundations to him being a competent striker.

I hate to say it but he looks a complete dud and as you say is the worst ever signing United have made. 23 million. Deary me. It's incredible. He does not look a £230,000 player at the moment. There are lads lower down the leagues and academy lads (see Jebbison) that show more movement, passion, football brain and get the game.

This lad does not get it. I am sorry to say all those keep saying it's a confidence things. It's not at all. He is just not up to it. Maybe next season we may see more but I remain unconvinced that without the basics, how he can help the side. We cannot keep carrying him. I'd put him behind even Burke (he's abysmal) in terms of ability to do things - least Burke amongst the comedy had set up or scored the odd goal or had an odd run. This guy has literally done nothing in 9 months. Zero goals. Zero assists.

The above is not on tonight as they were all crap but at some point you have to just think it's not the system, confidence or such like, but just he is not good enough.

Pray I come back in a year and I've got it completely wrong.
And dont forget. The Messiah said it "were the best transfer window we ever had". I hate to recall the worst. God, Wilder's forward buys were bloody shite.
 

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I get what you are saying and it's all fair enough criticism imo. The one thing I will say is that maybe he is a player who is very much reliant on service from midfield and out wide, and attacking moves being made at pace on the break. Something we as a team have failed miserably to provide or do at all this season. The fact that he's not missing chance after chance could mean that if we ever do get a midfield or wide players that create then he might thrive on the service and become the player we all hoped he would be.

That said, he's certainly not helped himself with the apparent lack of interest and workrate. But I suppose if you are constantly making the right runs and the ball is never played to you (happened tonight with the young lad up front) then it doesn't take long before you stop making those same runs as you know the ball isn't gunna come your way.

I'm clinging to the hope that a rehash of the team next season sees Brewster come good yet, but his workrate has to improve massively. He looked a decent player on loan at Swansea last season.
£23m for a player 100% reliant on service, completely unable to create anything for himself?

I didn't watch him at Swansea so I can't comment on that other than to say 22 games is a very small sample size. Based on the football I've seen him play he's worse than Callum Robinson as a CF.

If we could get half the fee we payed back I'd take it in a second. The odds he ever scores more than 20 top division goals in his whole career are currently astronomical. An absolute joke of a signing made with nowhere near enough due diligence.
 

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Ramsdale leaves me thinking what might’ve been. If he had settled into the team better and started the season somewhere close his second half of the season form, where would we be now?

If he’d played better we might’ve picked up a few early results, kept confidence high and been in the battle for survival this season.

At least he now looks a good signing, just to finish this post on a positive!
He made mistakes early in the season, and looked like a rabbit in the headlights at times. But how many points did he actually cost us?
It's not Ramsdale's fault that the defenders in front of him have made mistake after mistake and given soft goals away. And it's certainly not his fault that our creativity and goal-scoring has been piss-poor all season.
Look at tonight - 2 or 3 excellent saves, then he's going mental at the clowns in front of him for allowing yet another soft goal right on HT.
 

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One positive (for me anyway) is we now know how important furious George is.

Bogle was the worst player on the pitch. His jumping ability for the goal was right up there with Christopher Reeve/Stephen Hawking/Leon Clarke...

Looks like, despite the early glimmers, Bogle is another dud courtesy of Sir Chris of Wilder....

Still think Norwood/Fleck/McGoldrick have sufficient quality to boss most games next season - but we've now seen what we have to do and far short we are if we do bounce back...
 

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One positive (for me anyway) is we now know how important furious George is.

Bogle was the worst player on the pitch. His jumping ability for the goal was right up there with Christopher Reeve/Stephen Hawking/Leon Clarke...

Looks like, despite the early glimmers, Bogle is another dud courtesy of Sir Chris of Wilder....

Still think Norwood/Fleck/McGoldrick have sufficient quality to boss most games next season - but we've now seen what we have to do and far short we are if we do bounce back...
The agility and all round game of Bogle hasn’t been the same since that horrendous foul that we never got from the Fulham keeper, I’m wondering if this has had an impact on his performances because they are way too far apart on the good to bad scale of ratings he’s almost unrecognisable from his first showings.
 

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The bit that gets me is how we manage to slow our own attacks right down. Norwood was outstanding at this tonight

Exactly this! It was infuriating how every pass we made was aimed exactly at the player’s feet, rather than in front of him to run onto. It meant that the attacks were ponderous, each pass allowing Newcastle to get men behind the ball. Norwood was particularly guilty but it was all of them across the board.

I think it’s a confidence thing in that nervous players try to make the safest pass possible, hence passing it squarely to feet. Really no excuse for it at professional level though.
 

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Exactly this! It was infuriating how every pass we made was aimed exactly at the player’s feet, rather than in front of him to run onto. It meant that the attacks were ponderous, each pass allowing Newcastle to get men behind the ball. Norwood was particularly guilty but it was all of them across the board.

I think it’s a confidence thing in that nervous players try to make the safest pass possible, hence passing it squarely to feet. Really no excuse for it at professional level though.

But the thing was the ball was also usually played to the feet of the Newcastle players rather than a SUFC player. It was ridiculous how many times Norwood and Co gave the ball away cheaply time after time.

We work so hard to win the ball back and then give it away constantly often needlessly in under no real pressure. Even the Missus has commented frequently this season 'why do they keep giving the ball away with rubbish passes?'

When we do manage to keep it FL without just giving it away, it's because we pass it from side to side in a slow ponderous manner allowing the opposition to funnel back and get set defensively.

It's poor, turgid, boring football with players who struggle to make simple passes to teammates.
 

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But the thing was the ball was also usually played to the feet of the Newcastle players rather than a SUFC player. It was ridiculous how many times Norwood and Co gave the ball away cheaply time after time.

We work so hard to win the ball back and then give it away constantly often needlessly in under no real pressure. Even the Missus has commented frequently this season 'why do they keep giving the ball away with rubbish passes?'

When we do manage to keep it FL without just giving it away, it's because we pass it from side to side in a slow ponderous manner allowing the opposition to funnel back and get set defensively.

It's poor, turgid, boring football with players who struggle to make simple passes to teammates.

Which surely has to be steered by the manager. This is what worries me with Hecky its the same sort of play that happened under "Wilder later years" we can all see it so why didnt he and change the formation/substitute ? Surely if you see a formation failing in a game common sense you change it. Not like we had anything to lose its a nonsense game really Newcastle could have been given 3 points and we didnt even need to turn up. Personally I hope he doesnt get the job we need some new blood with fresh ideas.
 

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But the thing was the ball was also usually played to the feet of the Newcastle players rather than a SUFC player. It was ridiculous how many times Norwood and Co gave the ball away cheaply time after time.

We work so hard to win the ball back and then give it away constantly often needlessly in under no real pressure. Even the Missus has commented frequently this season 'why do they keep giving the ball away with rubbish passes?'

When we do manage to keep it FL without just giving it away, it's because we pass it from side to side in a slow ponderous manner allowing the opposition to funnel back and get set defensively.

It's poor, turgid, boring football with players who struggle to make simple passes to teammates.

That why I said we ‘aimed’ it at the player’s feet 😀. Our retention stats were appalling yesterday. Bogle was the worst: 70.4% which is inexcusable for a top flight footballer (I’ll grant him that it was an off day). Norwood was 81.5% - again, a terrible return for a supposed fulcrum/pivot role where the number one priority is to keep the ball. Osborn 81.5% too, and he made fewer than half the attempted passes that Norwood did.
 

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I get what you are saying and it's all fair enough criticism imo. The one thing I will say is that maybe he is a player who is very much reliant on service from midfield and out wide, and attacking moves being made at pace on the break. Something we as a team have failed miserably to provide or do at all this season. The fact that he's not missing chance after chance could mean that if we ever do get a midfield or wide players that create then he might thrive on the service and become the player we all hoped he would be.

That said, he's certainly not helped himself with the apparent lack of interest and workrate. But I suppose if you are constantly making the right runs and the ball is never played to you (happened tonight with the young lad up front) then it doesn't take long before you stop making those same runs as you know the ball isn't gunna come your way.

I'm clinging to the hope that a rehash of the team next season sees Brewster come good yet, but his workrate has to improve massively. He looked a decent player on loan at Swansea last season.
The service argument is bollocks in my opinion look at the goal jebbo scored, Brewster would have been nowhere near it, he'd have been sauntering around somewhere near the edge of the 18 yeard box
 

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He made mistakes early in the season, and looked like a rabbit in the headlights at times. But how many points did he actually cost us?
It's not Ramsdale's fault that the defenders in front of him have made mistake after mistake and given soft goals away. And it's certainly not his fault that our creativity and goal-scoring has been piss-poor all season.
Look at tonight - 2 or 3 excellent saves, then he's going mental at the clowns in front of him for allowing yet another soft goal right on HT.
Agree 100% Berks blade his mistakes were not in the shape of Henderson against pool.
They were more error of judgment playing behind a defence who kept letting him down.
Has come through with flying colours which shows a strength of character and beleaf in his own ability.
We need the rest (whoever they might be )
to step up to the plate next season.
I can see a number of clubs sniffing round him ! Hopefully he is a man of his word and helps us to regain our top division status.
He has said as much on interview .
 

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saint maximum and almiron just showed what weve lacked all season that bit of pace and originality to do somat different and youve got to have those sort of players in the premier league
And the fact they can go past players with the ball at their feet.
 

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I'm of the opinion that Bogle would shine in a 4-4-2 or any other formation where he plays as a winger and not a right back, with Furious George playing a traditional right back role. As enjoyable as it was to watch the overlapping centre backs I think we need to go back to basics
 

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