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pommpey

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Missed the first half hour, for some strange reason. The stagnation of interest and resignation that despite the last game's heroics may be a one off prevented me from checking tonight's kick off time and I did think it was seven o'clock. Not that it made any difference.

I'll take anyone's word that we started brightly and apparently Didsy missed a sitter. I did catch Ramsdale's astonishing save from Shelvey in the advert-packed half time break but by the time I had tuned in it looked like we were plaing 5-4-1 with Wilderball written all over it. What the fuck happened to the creativity and drive at Goodison? Or were Everton flatteringly shit like Man U were and both our away wins were because of the opposition, not in spite of our opposition? Seems so.

In the final fifteen of the first half we seemed to be back playing display opposition football, with Saint Maximan and Omiron practically running the match, waiting for the key moment when we stick or chins out to have it punched. Trouble is theses days were can't take a punch, a bit like Amir Kahn and even a grazing blow has us down on the canvas, and losing every subsequent round on points. Again, front to back we lost the battles and our back three seems to be unravelling badly with Basham and Egan forgetting the basics of marking. St James's hasn't been kind to us or even John Egan in the past and today he looked one eighth of that towering Irish brick shithouse we came up to the Premier League with. The midfield, even bolstered by the still mercurial McGoldrick looked bereft of ideas with them again, working the ball down the flanks only to be boxed in effectively. Please see my past assessment on the failures of Wilderball some months ago now. The only saving grace is that as ASM and Joelinton got injured and they eventually brought on Gayle and Longstaff, their contribution was slightly less threatening on the break. I had Dwight Gayle as a possibly target for us once, but on tonight's showing I am glad we didn't. He's fucking pisswater.

Second half we still pursued the predictable flank play, wasted a shitload of chances, shit crosses, corners, free kicks and despite Didsy's epic punt onto the crossbar, was Dubravka's injury just out of boredom or want to get some camera time? We'd never see him flying through the air, would we? Every time we got near their box it ended up back with Robinson or Egan and it was recycled up, then back, up, then back. Again, we just never even looked remotely like scoring, Jebbo and Brewster or not.

Ramsdale 10/10: Some breathtaking saves. Really good now and dare I say it, at Henderson levels of goalkeeping output. Welcome back at last Aaron
Bogle 4/10: Poor showing from him. He is not a RWB and was left picking Willock up for their goal where he barely laid a glove on him
Basham 3/10: Not really an effective performance from Bash. Looks like he either needs a rest, or out of the club. Hope it's not the latter
Egan 4/10: A poor performance for him. Some okay clearances but all in all his move under the ball for their goal was unforgivable
Robinson 5.5/10: Stronger game from him and since his injury break has come back more robust and less robotic
Stevens 4/10: Again, stripped for pace by ASM and others. Back to basics for him
Osborn 5/10: A lot of intense, busy running about as usual but with nowt to show for it
Norwood 2/10: Back to his usual pointy, beatable self with fuck all to show for what the commentator said about his ability at dead ball situations. He has nothing to offer.
Fleck 4.5/10: Not effective for much of the match
McGoldrick 6/10: Only just for his crossbar hit and some deft control but he was basically chasing the game and trying to work a way in whilst the fuckin'-fuckkaz dropped deep and mopped us up in the second half
Jebbison 5/10: I am being generous but he had nowt to go on. Poor kid.

Brewster 4/10: A few touches and links but he's not effective at all, is he? Let's stop kidding ourselves here and say that the PL is not his game, huh?
Seriki n/a: Don't think he touched the ball

One more fucking game to go and we can forget this fucking season, goddammit. It has been the lowest point for me as a Unitedite.

pommpey
 
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Very generous giving Fleck a 4.5. The entire midfield were total dog shit. What is strange though as the term 'midfield' should be a clue to our brave boys Norwood and Fleck and Co, who for some reason think their starting positions are just behind the centre halves. If they go into the oppositions half with the ball they get nose bleeds and start to panic. It's like an Alien has taken over pre lockdown Flecks body.

They have run their race and hopefully both along with good ol Lunny will be told to not bother coming back again next season. I'd be looking to try to come to some sort of settlement to pay N&F out of their contracts. Entire new midfield needed next season, and a big lad at the back who can win headers as we look terrified at trying to defend high balls in our own box.

One other thing, where was the leadership on the pitch just n before they scored to tell the lads to get another 15 yards up the pitch as we were defending ridiculously deep. The goal was always coming and it needed someone to be strong and tell the sheep to get further up the pitch. Problem is we are without leaders, both on and off the pitch.
 

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Very generous giving Fleck a 4.5. The entire midfield were total dog shit. What is strange though as the term 'midfield' should be a clue to our brave boys Norwood and Fleck and Co, who for some reason think their starting positions are just behind the centre halves. If they go into the oppositions half with the ball they get nose bleeds and start to panic. It's like an Alien has taken over pre lockdown Flecks body.

They have run their race and hopefully both along with good ol Lunny will be told to not bother coming back again next season. I'd be looking to try to come to some sort of settlement to pay N&F out of their contracts. Entire new midfield needed next season, and a big lad at the back who can win headers as we look terrified at trying to defend high balls in our own box.

One other thing, where was the leadership on the pitch just n before they scored to tell the lads to get another 15 yards up the pitch as we were defending ridiculously deep. The goal was always coming and it needed someone to be strong and tell the sheep to get further up the pitch. Problem is we are without leaders, both on and off the pitch.
Agree with the leadership point. And Egan is not a captain. He seems to think it just involves wearing the armband and nothing else. He has been really disappointing. We are crying out for a Chris Morgan character.
 

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Norwood was awful, that’s it
It just highlighted our lack of pace and creativity, but we know that anyway
Pedestrian possession and passing, they just let us have the ball, sat back and virtually stopped us creating any chances knowing our delivery into the box and creativity is so poor
Rambo, superb again
 

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Agree with you on the report all I could hear was "Wilderball" in my head watching most of it.

I thought Ramsdale was a lost cause at one point and has turned into a proper PL keeper. The way he ripped into the defence after the goal shows how much passion he has he deserves the POTY award again poor lad. Got a feeling if an offer comes in from another PL team he will be gone. The season is soon over but me personally not looking forward to what happens next as it could still all go horribly wrong instead of building a PL returning team could end up with a L1 dropping team.
 

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4/10 for Brewster seems very generous, he seems to be getting worse ..if that's possible. In terms of value for money so far he's the worst signing in the clubs history
ive given up on brewster he just plays as though he doesnt want to be here his body language is awful him mousset and mcburnie can all go for me and norwood and fleck if they stay can only be squad players next season both too slow and play the safe ball 99% of the time
 

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Was woeful at times against what is a very poor Newcstle side. They rave over maximan who does more step overs than a bruce forsythe soft shoe routine to little effect.
Once again for inexplicable reasons we were passing back to Ramsdale when we were supposed to be on attack.
We over complicated by over passing down the sides and not getting in their box. Norwood was back to his generous gifting of the ball in dangerous areas best.
Please oh please someone come and buy Brewster. Never in 50 plus years of watching the blades has so trumpeted a promised talent has offered so so little.
I'm 67 and could probably have bean more effective in his stead
 

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Rammers definitely MOM, Goldy, Osborn, Jebbison, put in the necessary effort to win a game, Goldy especially looked like his life depended on it, Fleck, Norwood, Bogle, hang your heads in shame, never mind technical ability, you have to bust a gut and you didn't and you don't too often.

The build up play so embarrassing slow. You just cannot win a match in The Prem playing that way.

Main thing is Berge didn't play so is value didn't drop, the less he plays the more we will get.
 

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Missed the first half hour, for some strange reason. The stagnation of interest and resignation that despite the last game's heroics may be a one off prevented me from checking tonight's kick off time and I did think it was seven o'clock. Not that it made any difference.

I'll take anyone's word that we started brightly and apparently Didsy missed a sitter. I did catch Ramsdale's astonishing save from Shelvey in the advert-packed half time break but by the time I had tuned in it looked like we were plaing 5-4-1 with Wilderball written all over it. What the fuck happened to the creativity and drive at Goodison? Or were Everton flatteringly shit like Man U were and both our away wins were because of the opposition, not in spite of our opposition? Seems so.

In the final fifteen of the first half we seemed to be back playing display opposition football, with Saint Maximan and Omiron practically running the match, waiting for the key moment when we stick or chins out to have it punched. Trouble is theses days were can't take a punch, a bit like Amir Kahn and even a grazing blow has us down on the canvas, and losing every subsequent round on points. Again, front to back we lost the battles and our back three seems to be unravelling badly with Basham and Egan forgetting the basics of marking. St James's hasn't been kind to us or even John Egan in the past and today he looked one eighth of that towering Irish brick shithouse we came up to the Premier League with. The midfield, even bolstered by the still mercurial McGoldrick looked bereft of ideas with them again, working the ball down the flanks only to be boxed in effectively. Please see my past assessment on the failures of Wilderball some months ago now. The only saving grace is that as ASM and Joelinton got injured and they eventually brought on Gayle and Longstaff, their contribution was slightly less threatening on the break. I had Dwight Gayle as a possibly target for us once, but on tonight's showing I am glad we didn't. He's fucking pisswater.

Second half we still pursued the predictable flank play, wasted a shitload of chances, shit crosses, corners, free kicks and despite Didsy's epic punt onto the crossbar, was Dubravka's injury just out of boredom or want to get some camera time? We'd never see him flying through the air, would we? Every time we got near their box it ended up back with Robinson or Egan and it was recycled up, then back, up, then back. Again, we just never even looked remotely like scoring, Jebbo and Brewster or not.

Ramsdale 10/10: Some breathtaking saves. Really good now and dare I say it, at Henderson levels of goalkeeping output. Welcome back at last Aaron
Bogle 4/10: Poor showing from him. He is not a RWB and was left picking Willock up for their goal where he barely laid a glove on him
Basham 3/10: Not really an effective performance from Bash. Looks like he either needs a rest, or out of the club. Hope it's not the latter
Egan 4/10: A poor performance for him. Some okay clearances but all in all his move under the ball for their goal was unforgivable
Robinson 5.5/10: Stronger game from him and since his injury break has come back more robust and less robotic
Stevens 4/10: Again, stripped for pace by ASM and others. Back to basics for him
Osborn 5/10: A lot of intense, busy running about as usual but with nowt to show for it
Norwood 2/10: Back to his usual pointy, beatable self with fuck all to show for what the commentator said about his ability at dead ball situations. He has nothing to offer.
Fleck 4.5/10: Not effective for much of the match
McGoldrick 6/10: Only just for his crossbar hit and some deft control but he was basically chasing the game and trying to work a way in whilst the fuckin'-fuckkaz dropped deep and mopped us up in the second half
Jebbison 5/10: I am being generous but he had nowt to go on. Poor kid.

Brewster 4/10: A few touches and links but he's not effective at all, is he? Let's stop kidding ourselves here and say that the PL is not his game, huh?
Seriki n/a: Don't think he touched the ball

One more fucking game to go and we can forget this fucking season, goddammit. It has been the lowest point for me as a Unitedite.

pommpey
I always appreciate these reports Pommps but for me every single rating is way too high, every single one of them. I can’t ever recall saying that.

They were crap too and so was the ref, there should’ve been 15 mins added on with the time wasting they were doing, terrible and boring club Newcastle have turned into under that cabbage truffle head.
 

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I’m possibly Norwood’s biggest fan on here but, it has to be said, he had an absolute stinker today. I normally argue that he does more than the other midfielders and isn’t offered options when he has the ball but… there’s nothing to say for today’s performance. I suppose he didn’t hide, which is fair enough. It’s fair to say that the 60 minutes you saw were his best bits. I daren’t think what you would’ve said if you saw the start. I highly recommend that you never ever do.

Completely agree on Ramsdale. I’ll stick my neck out and say that he’ll be better than Henderson, especially as they get older and Henderson’s agility starts to wane.
 

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Missed the first half hour, for some strange reason. The stagnation of interest and resignation that despite the last game's heroics may be a one off prevented me from checking tonight's kick off time and I did think it was seven o'clock. Not that it made any difference.

I'll take anyone's word that we started brightly and apparently Didsy missed a sitter. I did catch Ramsdale's astonishing save from Shelvey in the advert-packed half time break but by the time I had tuned in it looked like we were plaing 5-4-1 with Wilderball written all over it. What the fuck happened to the creativity and drive at Goodison? Or were Everton flatteringly shit like Man U were and both our away wins were because of the opposition, not in spite of our opposition? Seems so.

In the final fifteen of the first half we seemed to be back playing display opposition football, with Saint Maximan and Omiron practically running the match, waiting for the key moment when we stick or chins out to have it punched. Trouble is theses days were can't take a punch, a bit like Amir Kahn and even a grazing blow has us down on the canvas, and losing every subsequent round on points. Again, front to back we lost the battles and our back three seems to be unravelling badly with Basham and Egan forgetting the basics of marking. St James's hasn't been kind to us or even John Egan in the past and today he looked one eighth of that towering Irish brick shithouse we came up to the Premier League with. The midfield, even bolstered by the still mercurial McGoldrick looked bereft of ideas with them again, working the ball down the flanks only to be boxed in effectively. Please see my past assessment on the failures of Wilderball some months ago now. The only saving grace is that as ASM and Joelinton got injured and they eventually brought on Gayle and Longstaff, their contribution was slightly less threatening on the break. I had Dwight Gayle as a possibly target for us once, but on tonight's showing I am glad we didn't. He's fucking pisswater.

Second half we still pursued the predictable flank play, wasted a shitload of chances, shit crosses, corners, free kicks and despite Didsy's epic put onto the crossbar, was Dubravka's injury just out of boredom or want to get some camera time? We'd never see him flying through the air, would we? Every time we got near their box it ended up back with Robinson or Egan and it was recycled up, then back, up, then back. Again, we just never even looked remotely like scoring, Jebbo and Brewster or not.

Ramsdale 10/10: Some breathtaking saves. Really good now and dare I say it, at Henderson levels of goalkeeping output. Welcome back at last Aaron
Bogle 4/10: Poor showing from him. He is not a RWB and was left picking Willock up for their goal where he barely laid a glove on him
Basham 3/10: Not really an effective performance from Bash. Looks like he either needs a rest, or out of the club. Hope it's not the latter
Egan 4/10: A poor performance for him. Some okay clearances but all in all his move under the ball for their goal was unforgivable
Robinson 5.5/10: Stronger game from him and since his injury break has come back more robust and less robotic
Stevens 4/10: Again, stripped for pace by ASM and others. Back to basics for him
Osborn 5/10: A lot of intense, busy running about as usual but with nowt to show for it
Norwood 2/10: Back to his usual pointy, beatable self with fuck all to show for what the commentator said about his ability at dead ball situations. He has nothing to offer.
Fleck 4.5/10: Not effective for much of the match
McGoldrick 6/10: Only just for his crossbar hit and some deft control but he was basically chasing the game and trying to work a way in whilst the fuckin'-fuckkaz dropped deep and mopped us up in the second half
Jebbison 5/10: I am being generous but he had nowt to go on. Poor kid.

Brewster 4/10: A few touches and links but he's not effective at all, is he? Let's stop kidding ourselves here and say that the PL is not his game, huh?
Seriki n/a: Don't think he touched the ball

One more fucking game to go and we can forget this fucking season, goddammit. It has been the lowest point for me as a Unitedite.

pommpey
Just a carbon copy of the majority of our games this season Pommpay.

The system CWAK devised is not dead !
unfortunately to take to the next level needs a group of players we just havnt got and probably never will .Technically gifted with a great work ethic is the level required through the entire team.
Gaining promotion with a squad full of the work ethic bit was a great achievement unfortunately the technical bit was not good enough ,teams found it easy to work us out when the impetus of promotion wore off in lockdown.
If O'Connell hadnt been lost to injury and an upgrade in creativity been acheaved maybe things would have been different.
This system with the right players could be great infact a form of total football with all players comfortable on the ball.
I think our new manager will change the way we play maybe start with a back 3
the overlapping bit will be binned as getting centrebacks to take the rolls O'connell& Basham play will be almost impossible to replicate ( 2 centrebacks with the fitness and nous they brought to the team ).
Bielsa even tried it in the past a d rates it.
Unfortunately the specialised nature of some of the rolls makes it tough to find players who can step into these specialised rolls when injuries kick in.
As we found with O'Connell.
 

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Missed the first half hour, for some strange reason. The stagnation of interest and resignation that despite the last game's heroics may be a one off prevented me from checking tonight's kick off time and I did think it was seven o'clock. Not that it made any difference.

I'll take anyone's word that we started brightly and apparently Didsy missed a sitter. I did catch Ramsdale's astonishing save from Shelvey in the advert-packed half time break but by the time I had tuned in it looked like we were plaing 5-4-1 with Wilderball written all over it. What the fuck happened to the creativity and drive at Goodison? Or were Everton flatteringly shit like Man U were and both our away wins were because of the opposition, not in spite of our opposition? Seems so.

In the final fifteen of the first half we seemed to be back playing display opposition football, with Saint Maximan and Omiron practically running the match, waiting for the key moment when we stick or chins out to have it punched. Trouble is theses days were can't take a punch, a bit like Amir Kahn and even a grazing blow has us down on the canvas, and losing every subsequent round on points. Again, front to back we lost the battles and our back three seems to be unravelling badly with Basham and Egan forgetting the basics of marking. St James's hasn't been kind to us or even John Egan in the past and today he looked one eighth of that towering Irish brick shithouse we came up to the Premier League with. The midfield, even bolstered by the still mercurial McGoldrick looked bereft of ideas with them again, working the ball down the flanks only to be boxed in effectively. Please see my past assessment on the failures of Wilderball some months ago now. The only saving grace is that as ASM and Joelinton got injured and they eventually brought on Gayle and Longstaff, their contribution was slightly less threatening on the break. I had Dwight Gayle as a possibly target for us once, but on tonight's showing I am glad we didn't. He's fucking pisswater.

Second half we still pursued the predictable flank play, wasted a shitload of chances, shit crosses, corners, free kicks and despite Didsy's epic punt onto the crossbar, was Dubravka's injury just out of boredom or want to get some camera time? We'd never see him flying through the air, would we? Every time we got near their box it ended up back with Robinson or Egan and it was recycled up, then back, up, then back. Again, we just never even looked remotely like scoring, Jebbo and Brewster or not.

Ramsdale 10/10: Some breathtaking saves. Really good now and dare I say it, at Henderson levels of goalkeeping output. Welcome back at last Aaron
Bogle 4/10: Poor showing from him. He is not a RWB and was left picking Willock up for their goal where he barely laid a glove on him
Basham 3/10: Not really an effective performance from Bash. Looks like he either needs a rest, or out of the club. Hope it's not the latter
Egan 4/10: A poor performance for him. Some okay clearances but all in all his move under the ball for their goal was unforgivable
Robinson 5.5/10: Stronger game from him and since his injury break has come back more robust and less robotic
Stevens 4/10: Again, stripped for pace by ASM and others. Back to basics for him
Osborn 5/10: A lot of intense, busy running about as usual but with nowt to show for it
Norwood 2/10: Back to his usual pointy, beatable self with fuck all to show for what the commentator said about his ability at dead ball situations. He has nothing to offer.
Fleck 4.5/10: Not effective for much of the match
McGoldrick 6/10: Only just for his crossbar hit and some deft control but he was basically chasing the game and trying to work a way in whilst the fuckin'-fuckkaz dropped deep and mopped us up in the second half
Jebbison 5/10: I am being generous but he had nowt to go on. Poor kid.

Brewster 4/10: A few touches and links but he's not effective at all, is he? Let's stop kidding ourselves here and say that the PL is not his game, huh?
Seriki n/a: Don't think he touched the ball

One more fucking game to go and we can forget this fucking season, goddammit. It has been the lowest point for me as a Unitedite.

pommpey

And that's it in a nut shell. Back to being shit after the first 10mins.
 

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I only saw the first half and we really did start brightly. Energy, effort and chances created to begin with. Then Newcastle woke up and Norwood started giving the ball away lots and got booked. We were being sliced apart by Saint Maximan and Almiron, plus Murphy and Shelvey aswell. I had to go out after half time and it doesnt sound like I missed much?

One to go, hopefully we can regain some dignity with a win at home to Burnley.
 

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4/10 for Brewster seems very generous, he seems to be getting worse ..if that's possible. In terms of value for money so far he's the worst signing in the clubs history

Interesting that several fans seem convinced he will be fine and next season we will see a different player.

After 9 months i am yet to see him even do the basics well- control, passing, running, movement, heading, hold up, dribbling, work ethic, chasing.

He literally comes on and just kicks it as hard as he can towards the goal - rarely goes anywhere near.

I am astonished how bad he is. I don;t get all this he is a young kid and needs time. in 3 months is he going to suddently develop basics which he clearly does not have. There is no foundations to him being a competent striker.

I hate to say it but he looks a complete dud and as you say is the worst ever signing United have made. 23 million. Deary me. It's incredible. He does not look a £230,000 player at the moment. There are lads lower down the leagues and academy lads (see Jebbison) that show more movement, passion, football brain and get the game.

This lad does not get it. I am sorry to say all those keep saying it's a confidence things. It's not at all. He is just not up to it. Maybe next season we may see more but I remain unconvinced that without the basics, how he can help the side. We cannot keep carrying him. I'd put him behind even Burke (he's abysmal) in terms of ability to do things - least Burke amongst the comedy had set up or scored the odd goal or had an odd run. This guy has literally done nothing in 9 months. Zero goals. Zero assists.

The above is not on tonight as they were all crap but at some point you have to just think it's not the system, confidence or such like, but just he is not good enough.

Pray I come back in a year and I've got it completely wrong.
 

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