Mr McCabe

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>It's also a bit of a Sheffield thing as well though.
A city and two football clubs which punch well below their weight

agree totally .. there was a thread about this in the off topic forum.. IMO when thatcher coughs it, it will be a momentus point of catharsis for the entire city and we will start to kick ass.. mind you pigs might fly but i live in hope
 

it seems pretty unbusinesslike on our part to see clubs like Swansea, Norwich, Leeds etc so far ahead with one of them, at least, likely to dip their paws in the honeypot next year.

I think the relative success of these 3 is partly down to them getting managerial appointments right, probably giving them more confidence to take a punt.

In the case of Leeds, any punt will be financed by the fans, not Bates. Take a look at this link:

http://www.lufctalk.com/forums/index.php?topic=2951
 
>partly down to them getting managerial appointments right
spot on something we are spectacularly poor at. let's hope we get it right this time.. reight that's it.. i'm off to't lane
 
I think the relative success of these 3 is partly down to them getting managerial appointments right, probably giving them more confidence to take a punt.

In the case of Leeds, any punt will be financed by the fans, not Bates. Take a look at this link:

http://www.lufctalk.com/forums/index.php?topic=2951


Ouch!

Still, it doesn't seem to have done much harm to their attendances this season.
Proof that the fans will pay if the team is doing well?
 
Well, he did speculate to get out of the division the right way, and it backfired, mainly because of the stupid appointment of Robson. Having said that, I think he panicked a little too early, hence the sale of Beattie and much of what followed.

Yes, I'm with you on struggling to see how he can avoid putting more cash in just to stay afloat, unless investment comes in, but we can hardly bank on that, and it certainly doesn't seem to be anywhere on the horizon. However, for all his appearancees on Rich Lists etc, I do wonder how much of his personal assets are liquid? Given what has happened over the last couple of years in terms of both the property bubble popping and the banks' reluctance to lend, I wonder whether he has the wherewithal to pump much more in? I would imagine that much of his wealth isn't very liquid at all.

I also agree that he has royally stuffed up as far as United is concerned. However, he has admitted to mistakes, which he should be given some credit for. I think he has taken the right steps recently to try & make the business look much more like a football club, and to seek to reduce, if not eliminate, external debt. I will also applaud him if he goes ahead with the proposed shares for debt thing. However, I think he is taking a big gamble on hoping to remain in the Championship whilst this is going on - we are all aware of the state of the squad.

So yes, I would like to see some more cash go in, but wonder if he still has the ability to do so? I have no idea, but his wealth is built on property..........

In some respects it is not dissimilar to the end of the Brealey era when he became, in his own words as far as I remember them, "no longer a man of financial substance".

Seems to me that his best route is spending some money to make us competitive at the top end.
If he doesn't - and particularly if we go down - he's going to have to dip further into his pocket anyway to keep the business going and he'll end up spending as much over a period of years as he would by investing up front.
The alternative is to sell for very little to at least end his own financial exposure.
Shame there's no-one, with some money, tempting him down that route.
 
Seems to me that his best route is spending some money to make us competitive at the top end.
If he doesn't - and particularly if we go down - he's going to have to dip further into his pocket anyway to keep the business going and he'll end up spending as much over a period of years as he would by investing up front.
The alternative is to sell for very little to at least end his own financial exposure.
Shame there's no-one, with some money, tempting him down that route.

Well I think BB has hit the nail on the head with that one. He seems determined to get all or most of his money back, which of course he is entitled to do, so I think it is likely that his asking price is way in excess of the true worth of the club, especially in today's market.

Right, off to the Lane for me, with a sense of forboding............
 

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