More goals from midfielders?

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brownie4583 said:
Do you think we need more goals from the midfielders?
Fleck 1 in 13
Norwood 1 in 11
Duffy 2 in 13

We definitely need more goals from the midfield to mount a serious promotion push this season.
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Definitely, that’s the only real criticism of these midfielders,
When in and around goal their first thought is “pass to someone in a better position”
They only shoot when there’s no other option and do it as a last resort.

The only midfielder we’ve got who makes late runs into the box and attempts to score is.......wait for it.......John Lundstrum.
 
Can’t be arsed to look but I can’t remember Cardiff scoring many last season. Or our midfielders in the lg1 promotion. Just need wins, dirty, gritty 1nil wins..
 
brownie4583 said:
Do you think we need more goals from the midfielders?
Fleck 1 in 13
Norwood 1 in 11
Duffy 2 in 13

We definitely need more goals from the midfield to mount a serious promotion push this season.
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In reality it doesn't matter where the goals come from, just that we score them. (A fantastic contender for the stating the obvious award of 18/19 - I thank you).

I'd be interested to see the assists and goals stats for the midfielders that started 30 or more games for all sides promoted from the championship in the last 5 seasons. Im too lazy to look myself but reckon that'd start us off with a decent indicator.

Summary of answer - dunno. Waiting for nerdy statty types.
 
Something that our midfielders don't do is make third man runs. They don't get the other side of the strikers. This is not such a big deal when we play two out and out strikers, but we've been playing Mcgoldrick who also plays more like an advanced midielder - a link man. The net effect is a lot of nice interplay but very few meaningful shots on goal due to a a lack of bodies in the box. Duffy and Mcgoldrick have to take responsibility for getting in the box when the other is linking the play from midfield.
 
Our central midfield don't get a lot of goals,

Norwood, in the role he plays won't get more than a few goals as he doesn't take risks from distance and he doesn't make those runs into the box.
Duffy, despite making a lot of runs and being available, creating chances, his negative is that he should probably get more goals. His goal v Villa showed what he can do, but those shots from distance need to be special.
Fleck, his role has changed slightly and he's playing slightly more advanced than Norwood, he's growing into the role and carrying the ball forward a lot more, our goal v derby being a great example of this. He needs to work on his shots from Distance as they're a little be 'Monty' at times,
Coutts, Similar to Norwood, he prefers to play the forward passes simply to Duffy, Fleck, the wingbacks or the strikers, again doesn't take the risks.

In that midfield group, Fleck and Duffy are the risk takers, but the risks they take are mainly to carry the ball into dangerous areas. We don't take risky shots from distance. Its not something this midfield do as a group we don't shoot from distance because its a lower chance of going in than if we work it better with good football in and around the box

As a team we're third top goal scorers on 23, behind Leeds (25) and WBA (32), so we're not doing badly as a team for goals. I heard on the comms the other day that everyone on of the starting 11 had scored this season.

I think something worth noting is that our playing style is also unique. So the wingbacks and and Centre Halves are often higher up the pitch (and often on their opposite side) than Fleck or Norwood, Bash particularly has weighed in with goals already.
 
You could've easily left out the "from midfield" part of the title!
Let's hope our calls are answered today!
 
Same answer for every time this question is asked - football is a team game, I couldn't care less who scores goals as long as someone does
 
SwissBlade said:
Our central midfield don't get a lot of goals,

Norwood, in the role he plays won't get more than a few goals as he doesn't take risks from distance and he doesn't make those runs into the box.
Duffy, despite making a lot of runs and being available, creating chances, his negative is that he should probably get more goals. His goal v Villa showed what he can do, but those shots from distance need to be special.
Fleck, his role has changed slightly and he's playing slightly more advanced than Norwood, he's growing into the role and carrying the ball forward a lot more, our goal v derby being a great example of this. He needs to work on his shots from Distance as they're a little be 'Monty' at times,
Coutts, Similar to Norwood, he prefers to play the forward passes simply to Duffy, Fleck, the wingbacks or the strikers, again doesn't take the risks.

In that midfield group, Fleck and Duffy are the risk takers, but the risks they take are mainly to carry the ball into dangerous areas. We don't take risky shots from distance. Its not something this midfield do as a group we don't shoot from distance because its a lower chance of going in than if we work it better with good football in and around the box

As a team we're third top goal scorers on 23, behind Leeds (25) and WBA (32), so we're not doing badly as a team for goals. I heard on the comms the other day that everyone on of the starting 11 had scored this season.

I think something worth noting is that our playing style is also unique. So the wingbacks and and Centre Halves are often higher up the pitch (and often on their opposite side) than Fleck or Norwood, Bash particularly has weighed in with goals already.
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That seems unlikely...

On Fleck, his shooting reminds me a bit of Michael Doyle (no wait, come back, come back!) in that Doyle hit a good shot when he was properly set, but if he was slightly off balance, or moving to the side or whatever, he'd usually sky it. Fleck is similar, he's sometimes to keen to have a crack when it's not really on (a couple of times on Tuesday for instance). Obviously when he catches on, he really catches it.
 
"Sheffsteel" mentioned Lundstrum, so many players have left or out on loan I was wondering where he is ?

I think we could play with a "false number 9" the way we play with everybody attacking from midfield and overlapping defenders it would open up more opportunities for for those players rather than have Sharp and Leon loitering in the six yard box waiting for opportunities.

UTB
 
Sensation in S2 as the Blades cognoscenti once again holler “itit”, pleading for shots from forty yards from players off-balance, without momentum, at improbable angles and faced by a wall of opposition defenders.

Shoooooooooooooooot. If I had a gun I would...
 
Guesty said:
That seems unlikely...

On Fleck, his shooting reminds me a bit of Michael Doyle (no wait, come back, come back!) in that Doyle hit a good shot when he was properly set, but if he was slightly off balance, or moving to the side or whatever, he'd usually sky it. Fleck is similar, he's sometimes to keen to have a crack when it's not really on (a couple of times on Tuesday for instance). Obviously when he catches on, he really catches it.
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The starting 11 from the other night - when Leon scored

Obviously not counting Deano, though I wouldn’t put it past him to take a penalty if were 3/4 up
 



jt64 said:
Same answer for every time this question is asked - football is a team game, I couldn't care less who scores goals as long as someone does
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Successful teams and goals from midfield usually go hand in hand though mate.
In the same way, we know before a season starts that promoted teams and relegated teams will go up or down with a predictable points total.
I guess this is why we should care whether our midfielders are/can chip in with a reasonable amount of goals between them.
 
SwissBlade said:
We don't take risky shots from distance. Its not something this midfield do as a group we don't shoot from distance because its a lower chance of going in than if we work it better with good football in and around the box.
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Precisely so. A rather exasperated Tufty made this very point in a RS interview two or three weeks ago.

Keep playing proper football Blades. The Shooooooooooooooooot Brigade are Hoofers by another name.
 
Pinchy said:
Precisely so. A rather exasperated Tufty made this very point in a RS interview two or three weeks ago.

Keep playing proper football Blades. The Shooooooooooooooooot Brigade are Hoofers by another name.
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Shooting from distance is a good option to have (if only because the more options at your disposal, the less predictable your are go the opposition) but it should be used very sparingly.
 
Guesty said:
Shooting from distance is a good option to have (if only because the more options at your disposal, the less predictable your are go the opposition) but it should be used very sparingly.
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It all depends on what we refer to as 'distance', I personally don't regard a shot from the edge of the 18 yrds in a controlled manner, when balanced as wasted football. It should be an important weapon in our arsenal, and should complement out death by a thousand passes approach. It's this reluctance, the lack of a late running midfielder into the space around the penalty spot,and the lack of one who will regularly 'break the lines' whilst running with the ball at his feet that limit our midfield goal tally. However, it fits in with CW's desired style of play, and as said above he see's WB's & CB's contributing.

However, the unwillingness to shoot from our CM's does personally frustrate me. I'm not suggesting hopefully slashing at it from 30 yrds out when there are better options. Two or three times a game we'll have the opportunity to shoot from the edge of the box, when the opposition are set & players are marked, and we decide to pass. Duffy usually does it cutting in from the left onto his right foot, feints, knocks it out of his feet, creates a yard of space.......and cuts back. Fleck usually does it when he's square on, the ball falls to him on the 'D', he takes a touch, sets himself and plays it wide.
 
GreasyChipBeattie said:
Successful teams and goals from midfield usually go hand in hand though mate.
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Correlation doesn't imply causation, if Duffy, Norwood etc start twatting it from everywhere and get an extra five goals between them, and as a result we lose build up play costing Sharp, Clarke etc ten goals, does that make us more successful? Or if we push the midfield further up as a whole, get an extra five through doing so but concede an extra ten because we've left the defence overloaded, is that a good thing?
 
jt64 said:
Correlation doesn't imply causation, if Duffy, Norwood etc start twatting it from everywhere and get an extra five goals between them, and as a result we lose build up play costing Sharp, Clarke etc ten goals, does that make us more successful? Or if we push the midfield further up as a whole, get an extra five through doing so but concede an extra ten because we've left the defence overloaded, is that a good thing?
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Obviously that wouldn't be a good thing JT, because that wouldn't result in a successful team.
A successful team would produce the goals from midfield, but not at the expense of the strikers scoring less or the defence conceding more, as is our 2016/2017 season.
We scored plenty from midfield (and defence) then, as well as Billy scoring 30 and having a decent defence.
The point I'm making is not far from your own, in that it I agree that it doesn't matter who scores the required goals to win the required matches to be successful as long as they're scored. It's just that generally, a successful season is made up of goals from strikers AND midfield/defenders.
So, if Billy has a 20+ goals season without a few from midfield/defenders too, it may not be enough to deliver a successful season, unless we keep a record number of clean sheets which let's face it, doesn't look like happening any time soon! ;)
 
Guesty said:
Shooting from distance is a good option to have (if only because the more options at your disposal, the less predictable your are go the opposition) but it should be used very sparingly.
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Yeah and you can have a golden spell like Adam Reach is having up the road, where everything he hits is a worldie. However, as i was once told at halftime by a cracking coach i had as a junior defender as i was up against a decent striker:
"Put him on his arse, if you can't do that put him on his weaker foot, then force the long shot. But don't worry about the shot from distance, you've got a decent keeper behind you and if the striker hits it from there its got to be fucking good to beat him and if he does that he deserves the goal"
 
Trying to think of the last high scoring midfielder was that we had?, Lee Williamson?
 
They're always looking for the pass, when it's not on they drift out wide and pass to Freeman or Stevens. It's good to keep possession, but sometimes you just wonder why they don't just crack one, they all have the ability
 
Silent Blade said:
Michael Brown in 2002-03
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Agree on Browny, Silent, but didn't Lee Williamson score 13 in the season that Ched ended up in Prison? I don't think we have had a midfielder since then that scored that many in a single season?
 
LS26BLADE said:
In the not to distant past we have had shithouses like Doyle /Monty/Hammond/Flynn as our ‘midfield’ who could barely score, pass, create - one of the many issues Wilder addressed when he became gaffer.
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If you are talking about John Flynn I seem to remember he scored a good few goals for us, especially from corners where he would run in from outside of the box unmarked and score with a good placed header. The rest wouldn't score in a brothel.

UTB
 



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