Monty loyalty

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AlienWoodward said:
Hockey was playing with far better players than Monty is at a slower pace.
It must have been easier to give the ball to Woodward,Currie,Reeece,Salmons,Dearden etc than to give it to Quinn,Yeates,Henderson ,Legs of wood and the other "quality" players Monty has had around him.
Hockeys ball skills and passing ability were certainly no better than Montys and I don't seem to remember his goal scoring ability was either
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Chopper was there to do a job ......... an he did it well !
yer reight though he had much better team mates...................
 

boo radley said:
I've read that and its complete CRAP, both from a coaching point of view andan amateur assessment.
It is quite obvious that he does not like Montyalmost every point he makes including this bit 'i.e. does he want Harper to cover behind Monty, or does he want him to keep track of his own man? If harper is a good player he makes that decision based on cover at time of incident and proximity to the play etc.
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I've been accused of rating Monty too highly and criticising him too much, but the fact is he as an individual is not important at all to me. If he does well I'll say so and if he makes mistakes I'll say so.

The highlighted quote is focusing on what Blackwell's instructions are, and the situation mentioned shows differences between man marking and zonal marking in midfield.

There may also be managers who have no preference and who always leave it up to players to decide what to do. It's easier to improve, give instructions and work on organisation if you know what you want your players to do though.
 
AlienWoodward said:
Hockey was playing with far better players than Monty is at a slower pace.
It must have been easier to give the ball to Woodward,Currie,Reeece,Salmons,Dearden etc than to give it to Quinn,Yeates,Henderson ,Legs of wood and the other "quality" players Monty has had around him.
Hockeys ball skills and passing ability were certainly no better than Montys and I don't seem to remember his goal scoring ability was either
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It probably the passage of time but all I remember is Hockey winning tackles, passing it 5 yards to Currie (marked or unmarked, it made no difference) for Currie to send a 30 or 40 yard pass to the rest of the aforementioned. I suppose Hockey must have passed to someone else at times, but if he did that has been erased from my memory!
 
Big Mart said:
Fuck me, how old are you? It's like dealing with a petulant 4 year old. You're the message board Nick Montgomery, tactless, factless, all huff and puff and with no end product :rolleyes::fishy:

:gallop:
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You call me tactless? I suggest you pack in with the personal insults and decide your going to contribute something meaningful to the debate or go else where.
by the way i dont want to 'Fuck you', I did however add another fishy coz i know you like that type of thing.
 
Bergen Blade said:
You proved nothing in that debate, in fact you were a little unlucky for originally stating that if Monty had been involved he would have cleared it, when he actually was involved and kicked air in his attempt to clear a ball that dropped at his feet.

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The thread:

http://www.sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16581

For the record, that was a cup game and not part of the GoalWatch summary.
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Right then Bergen, I do not know how to add video of that situation but if anyone does then that will give us the real picture of that situation.
So if you wish to carry that debate forward ADD THE VIDEO.
 
boo radley said:
Right then Bergen, I do not know how to add video of that situation but if anyone does then that will give us the real picture of that situation.
So if you wish to carry that debate forward ADD THE VIDEO.
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I don't think that's possible and I suggested we should agree to disagree two months ago Boo. Basically we disagreed on a cup goal that had no relevance to your Monty debate with Ollessandro. No need to have a dig at me.
 
Bergen Blade said:
I don't think that's possible and I suggested we should agree to disagree two months ago Boo. Basically we disagreed on a cup goal that had no relevance to your Monty debate with Ollessandro. No need to have a dig at me.
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you were the one who disagreed with me and were not willing to accept your reasoning was flawed. It seems interesting that you are willing to introduce a thread (goal watch) and when someone critisizes that you dont like it. you say we should forget the one cup goal but it involved both players that were critsized in the loyalty threads. It gave us chance to assess both players in a goal conceeding situation. Now as said before and you also wish this to be the case, we should use video analysis. ( your thread says this) yet you are unwilling to accept that stills show a different picture. I know from a coaching point of view that Monty running back towards his own goal in that situation would not have asked Killa to leave the ball. you also say in your thread.
''Yes, I try to. Sometimes it is difficult to say exactly what Blackwell's instructions are though, i.e. does he want Harper to cover behind Monty, or does he want him to keep track of his own man? On other occasions the highlights may be zoomed a bit much, making it difficult to see enough of what's happened.''
How can you possibly know what Blackwells instuctions are or were?
Harper covering behind Monty would depend on how close Harper was to Monty in any situation, For example if Monty happened to be in a last man situation and missed the tackle but Harper was tracking another attacker at the side of Monty and then Harpers attacker pulled wider Harper would obviosly come away and try to get to the attacker bearing down on goal- despite Harper even possibly being given an instruction before the game to track his man. Its called team work and the work carried out on the training ground during the week would help to produce this. Rigid instruction (different to a game plan) very rarely happen because these are intelligent professional footballers who have also been coached in a descision making process through their carears.
 
Hey lads, are you even sure what you are actually debating now? Without looking, what is the thread title? You've killed this thread, why not continue this via PMs,if you feel you need to?

Oh, I'm a huge fan of Monty, but also loved John Gannon, Trevor Hockey, Keith Eddy (the best of the lot) and even saw some merit in Bobby Ford. So I know nowt!
 
Nick Jansky said:
Hey lads, are you even sure what you are actually debating now? Without looking, what is the thread title? You've killed this thread, why not continue this via PMs,if you feel you need to?
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Good idea, I agree we're boring everybody and wasting eachother's time! :o I'll PM Boo.
 
Some bugger threatened to hit me away at QPR last year when I stood up and shouted 'get that useless twat Bobby Ford off the pitch' when Brian Howard had gone down injured!!??

(maybe someone who i'd upset with a controversial post had sussed out who I was!!?? ;) )
 

mickerz-blade said:
Yes tony some people write a lot but don't Understand even what they are writing, never mind a newspaper report that someone else wrote.
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If you have something to say to someone, or about someone then why don't you just come out and say it? Whether aimed at me or someone else, your 14 year school girl remark seems a little pathetic.

TonyAgana said:
Yeah, I've read that, where's the evidence that he "wants" to leave?
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Forgive me for questioning the loyalty of someone who just turned down a new contract!? :rolleyes:
 
Ollessendro said:
If you have something to say to someone, or about someone then why don't you just come out and say it? Whether aimed at me or someone else, your 14 year school girl remark seems a little pathetic.



Forgive me for questioning the loyalty of someone who just turned down a new contract!? :rolleyes:
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Don't ask for my forgiveness if you don't really want it.

Question the loyalty of someone all you like, far be it from me to stand in your way. Where's the evidence that he "wants" to leave?
 
Ollessendro said:
If you have something to say to someone, or about someone then why don't you just come out and say it? Whether aimed at me or someone else, your 14 year school girl remark seems a little pathetic.
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Great, yes you got it. It was aimed at you and the reason it is posted with the intellect of a 14year old is because.
You quote a newspaper report as evidence that he wants to leave.
Now you make this ASSUMPTION because he turned down a new contract. That does not mean he wants to leave. It says nothing about him wanting to leave in that newspaper report.
So to sum up Tony Agana is right to question where your evidence is.
Is that plain enough? And I do apologise if it is condescending.
 
TonyAgana said:
Don't ask for my forgiveness if you don't really want it.

As with almost every post on this thread my comments where tongue in cheek.

Question the loyalty of someone all you like, far be it from me to stand in your way. Where's the evidence that he "wants" to leave?
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I've given you the evidence. He turned down a new contract. He hasn''t agreed a new contract, with a few months left til his runs out, and as it stands is set to leave.

You don't call this evidence? It might be circumstancial but it's pretty strong. You can say that I am being presumptious, but it suggests to me that if you turn down a contract then you don't want to stay.

mickerz-blade said:
Great, yes you got it. It was aimed at you and the reason it is posted with the intellect of a 14year old is because.
You quote a newspaper report as evidence that he wants to leave.
Now you make this ASSUMPTION because he turned down a new contract. That does not mean he wants to leave. It says nothing about him wanting to leave in that newspaper report.
So to sum up Tony Agana is right to question where your evidence is.
Is that plain enough? And I do apologise if it is condescending.
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:D well done for coming out and making it clear.

I'm still chuckling to myself that people are coming out and biting at this late stage. I should really stop posting, but while ever people getting wound up about this I can't help myself.
 
boo radley said:
ah contrair I find it amazing that you suckered yourself in so much and at last you've noticed whats happened.
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Ollessendro said:
I've given you the evidence. He turned down a new contract. He hasn''t agreed a new contract, with a few months left til his runs out, and as it stands is set to leave.

You don't call this evidence? It might be circumstancial but it's pretty strong. You can say that I am being presumptious, but it suggests to me that if you turn down a contract then you don't want to stay.



:D well done for coming out and making it clear.

I'm still chuckling to myself that people are coming out and biting at this late stage. I should really stop posting, but while ever people getting wound up about this I can't help myself.
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So who keeps biting?
My you do have a high opinion of your own power.
 
Ollessendro said:
I've given you the evidence. He turned down a new contract. He hasn''t agreed a new contract, with a few months left til his runs out, and as it stands is set to leave.

You don't call this evidence? It might be circumstancial but it's pretty strong. You can say that I am being presumptious, but it suggests to me that if you turn down a contract then you don't want to stay.
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It's evidence of him not signing a contract. That's not what I asked for.

If season tickets were sold on a market stall and the vendor told you tickets were £2000, you'd tell him "bollocks", right? You'd enter into a negotiation. In the meantime, could I say that you weren't a Blade? That you want to support someone else?

If that's all the evidence that you have, then I think it's fair to say there is no evidence that "Nick Montgomery wants to leave". Unless there's something else?
 
TonyAgana said:
It's evidence of him not signing a contract. That's not what I asked for.

If season tickets were sold on a market stall and the vendor told you tickets were £2000, you'd tell him "bollocks", right? You'd enter into a negotiation. In the meantime, could I say that you weren't a Blade? That you want to support someone else?

If that's all the evidence that you have, then I think it's fair to say there is no evidence that "Nick Montgomery wants to leave". Unless there's something else?
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Don't encourage him, no-one wants another letter on here. :(
 
Bramley said:
Don't encourage him, no-one wants another letter on here. :(
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I know he thinks he's being clever by flogging this "point" of his, but the comparisons he's drawn between Kilgallon and Montgomery are weak. I'm trying to highlight just how weak. :)
 
Ok, ok, ok I give up. I am bored of this thread and hence am putting it to bed (on my part at least).

This thread was always meant to be taken with a pinch of salt. It was a tongue in cheek dig at Boo Radleys thread which questioned Killgallons commitment to Sheffield United because he was adamant on leaving. Boo argued that Killa was pulling out of tackles etc because his contract was up and he wanted to leave. I thought it was absolute nonsense that Kilgallon was putting in less effort than normal because his contract was up and to demostrate this I started this threat. I used the same perverse logic that Monty was not playing well, not committed retc becuase his contract is also up.

The funny thing is that I am actually a fan of Monty. I think he adds value to the team and can be a real asset when he is paired with the right midfielder. Monty was purely the fall guy and it was done for illustrative purposes. When people started to bite I found it funny and continued. Hence when Monty actually turned down a new contract I couldn't help but bring the issue up again and have a playful dig at Boo. I do not really think that Monty is not committed to United, quite the opposite. The irony is that he is one of the most committed players and hence it made it even more perverse.

It's a shame that I am having to explain this (as most people got it already) but I just wanted to say so (and hence offer explantion as to why I am not replying to posts anymore).
 

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