Monty loyalty

[JohnDenver]

Killa= Mercenary tosser who wants more money that his talent deserves and has run his contract down for his own good. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Monty= Authentic hero driven out of his home by evil.

Anyone who really thinks that is a numpty. But there is a major difference between the two...

One gave absolutely everything on pitch and never ever agitated for a move. The other, while a very good player, went to the media to get his way and let his standards slip badly on the pitch.

I don't blame either for wanting a move when faced with a pay cut. But Monty has behaved impecably throughout, on and off the pitch. He's in his peak earning years and should do what's right for him.

If Monty has a testimonial, I'll be there.

 

[Pinchy]

Anyone who really thinks that is a numpty. But there is a major difference between the two...

One gave absolutely everything on pitch and never ever agitated for a move. The other, while a very good player, went to the media to get his way and let his standards slip badly on the pitch.

I don't blame either for wanting a move when faced with a pay cut. But Monty has behaved impecably throughout, on and off the pitch. He's in his peak earning years and should do what's right for him.

If Monty has a testimonial, I'll be there.

So will I, to make sure he's actually gone. You can't be too careful!

 

[boo radley]

OH MY GOD, I WAS RIGHT!!!!!?????

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/Montgomery-turns-down-Sheffield-United.6145417.jp

http://www.sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=17737

My mum always said 'many a true word spoken in jest'

What do you think of that Boo Radley??? And for all the stick I took from all the Monty lovers on here!!!??

Where my conspiracy theories right?? has Monty been giving less effort since he seems intent on leaving United?? Has he been giving away sloppy penalties because he no longer cares? Or because he is over eager to impress new clubs?? Remember he was up near the top of Bergen mistakes list in goal watch a summary so far! Is it because he has fallen out of love with Sheffield United??? Oh my lord.

It's proof that Kevin Blackwell can drive even the biggest Blades away from BDTBL.

What are you rattling on about? What conspiracy theories? who contradicted them in what post? i can only see one posting by me on here.
What is Bergens mistake list? and was it before christmas Monty conceeded a penalty?
Just remind me of the best two most entertaining games we've played - oh was it the last two at home with that Monty Willo partnership?
So According to you he is playing well to try and impress potential new employers and he is playing better than ever - is that what you are saying?
you really want cover all bases with your statements dont you?

Oh I get it you've got glee written on your face and your rubbing your hands together because you beleive you got something right in January.
Sorry i don.t think you did

Whoops now i've invited a massive response pages and pages and i get fed up after a few lines. you see its the attention span i have a bit:fishy:

 

[Ollessendro]

What are you rattling on about? What conspiracy theories? who contradicted them in what post? i can only see one posting by me on here.
What is Bergens mistake list? and was it before christmas Monty conceeded a penalty?
Just remind me of the best two most entertaining games we've played - oh was it the last two at home with that Monty Willo partnership?
So According to you he is playing well to try and impress potential new employers and he is playing better than ever - is that what you are saying?
you really want cover all bases with your statements dont you?

Oh I get it you've got glee written on your face and your rubbing your hands together because you beleive you got something right in January.
Sorry i don.t think you did

Whoops now i've invited a massive response pages and pages and i get fed up after a few lines. you see its the attention span i have a bit:fishy:

There you are Boo!?

So you are now defending Monty who has just turned down a new contract, but you were willing to slag off Kilgallon for not signing one!? Double standards me thinks.

Bergens goal watch so far you can see here:

http://www.sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=17458

In the Kilgallon loyalty thread (which you started) you slagged Kilgallon off and questioned his commitment, because he was out of contract. I rather tongue in cheek, and being very pedantic, started this thread questioning Monty's commitment. Remember now?

I brought to light Monty wasn't playing well, making a lot of mistakes, giving away penalties etc and said it could be down to his contract being up (same logic as you questioing Killa). Of course I was being a pedantic arsehole, but now it appears it could be true. My 'conspiracy theory' that Monty was not playing well cos his heart isn't in it, he has fallen out of love with United, he wants to impress other clubs and la de da looks like it could be true!?

 

[AlienWoodward]

Killa= Mercenary tosser who wants more money that his talent deserves and has run his contract down for his own good. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Monty= Authentic hero driven out of his home by evil.

Lol Classic

 

[boo radley]

There you are Boo!?

So you are now defending Monty who has just turned down a new contract, but you were willing to slag off Kilgallon for not signing one!? Double standards me thinks.

Bergens goal watch so far you can see here:

http://www.sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=17458

In the Kilgallon loyalty thread (which you started) you slagged Kilgallon off and questioned his commitment, because he was out of contract. I rather tongue in cheek, and being very pedantic, started this thread questioning Monty's commitment. Remember now?

I brought to light Monty wasn't playing well, making a lot of mistakes, giving away penalties etc and said it could be down to his contract being up (same logic as you questioing Killa). Of course I was being a pedantic arsehole, but now it appears it could be true. My 'conspiracy theory' that Monty was not playing well cos his heart isn't in it, he has fallen out of love with United, he wants to impress other clubs and la de da looks like it could be true!?

So you hold great faith in Bergen - I dont and as far as i am concerned proved him wrong when he didn't balme Killa for a goal that was clearly his fault.
who is involved in this consiracy?
The difference is Monty is playing well and although you wish to justify and pat yourself on the back, what APPEARS to you does not mean it IS true and most in both threads disagreed with you.

 

[chipsncake]

So you hold great faith in Bergen - I dont and as far as i am concerned proved him wrong when he didn't balme Killa for a goal that was clearly his fault.
who is involved in this consiracy?
The difference is Monty is playing well and although you wish to justify and pat yourself on the back, what APPEARS to you does not mean it IS true and most in both threads disagreed with you.

"Monty is playing well". Don't make me laugh.

 

[Blade]

In light of the recent 'Kilgallon Loyalty' thread (and some comments made by Grecian 2000) I want to question the loyalty of Nick Montygommery to Sheffield United football club.

Similarly to Kilgallon, Monty's contract is up in the summer. Similar to Kilgallon monty has put in some under par performances this season. Monty has given away 2 needless penalties this season that have lead to goals and us losing points. Not only this but he was responsible for goals against Swansea, Coventry and QPR. He has been under par for the majority of the season and made a lot of uncharcteristic mistakes.

Many people on this forum believe that a dip in form and a contract running out are linked, or highly correlated. Boo radley ceratinaly thinks this. As Monty has not been playing as well as he has in previous seasons and his contract is up in the summer then I feel the need to question his commitment to United. Is the reason why he is not playing so well and keeps making mistakes because he has a contract on his mind? Even the biggest Monty lovers must admit that he is not playing a patch on how he played last season. Is this because his contract runs out in the summer. By using the same 2+2=5 logic that Boo radley and company use in that Kilgallons poor form in our bad spell earlier this season is down to his contract expiring in the summer of 2010, then this must be the case!!??

from your tone i suspect you don't agree with previous discussions about killa's commitment so why should it appy to monty? i think for killa and monty it's more representative of the entire squad player for player almost playing worse than in previous seasons and for that you have to look to the manager and not to individuals as much as blackwell would like to convice us otherwise.

 

[Kev Gee]

Montys leaving because he knows we are like the titanic.

A big hole in its hull (squad)
Were leaking points
Its only a matter of time, and no matter what we try, it will only end in one thing..........

 

[boo radley]

Bergens goal watch so far you can see here:

http://www.sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=17458

I've read that and its complete CRAP, both from a coaching point of view andan amateur assessment.
It is quite obvious that he does not like Montyalmost every point he makes including this bit 'i.e. does he want Harper to cover behind Monty, or does he want him to keep track of his own man? If harper is a good player he makes that decision based on cover at time of incident and proximity to the play etc.
And that is why his reasoning is flawed thus bringing that in to the argument also makes your reasoning flawed on that matter.

 

[Linz]

Montys leaving because he knows we are like the titanic.

A big hole in its hull (squad)
Were leaking points
Its only a matter of time, and no matter what we try, it will only end in one thing..........

Jam packed full of fat Americans that can't swim?

Kate Winslet sprawled all over the seats with her tits out?

I'm all for drowning Leonardo Di Caprio for half time entertainment though.

 

[Revolution]

I've read that and its complete CRAP, both from a coaching point of view andan amateur assessment.

It wasn't Monty that gave away those 3 penalties you know. It was that waster Kilgallon disguised as him.

From what I've read here I seriously believe some people will cry if Monty leaves. Yes, cry real tears.

 

[Torrix1889]

I will cry, cry like a baby until my tears run dry and I can cry no more. But they will be tears of sweet, sweet joy.

 

[Grecian2000]

Jam packed full of fat Americans that can't swim?

Kate Winslet sprawled all over the seats with her tits out?

I'm all for drowning Leonardo Di Caprio for half time entertainment though.

A chance of Monty leaving AND Kate coming in with her tits out.

Where the hell did I put that renewal form? Why did this news only break after "bin" day?

 

[Ollessendro]

So you hold great faith in Bergen - I dont and as far as i am concerned proved him wrong when he didn't balme Killa for a goal that was clearly his fault.
who is involved in this consiracy?
The difference is Monty is playing well and although you wish to justify and pat yourself on the back, what APPEARS to you does not mean it IS true and most in both threads disagreed with you.

There you go again spouting nonsense ...... 'most people in the thread agree with me and disagree with you, ner ner ner ner ner'

from your tone i suspect you don't agree with previous discussions about killa's commitment so why should it appy to monty? i think for killa and monty it's more representative of the entire squad player for player almost playing worse than in previous seasons and for that you have to look to the manager and not to individuals as much as blackwell would like to convice us otherwise.

Why shouldn't I question Monty's loyalty? He has been shit this season and I could easily attribute that to his contract running out in the summer. After all Kilgallon's contract was running out and everyone (particularly Boo) attributed his down turn in form to his lack of commitment (and not signing a new contract). Monty has of course turned down a new contract.

In a way Monty is worse, as he said he would sign a new contract!!? In fact he is really costing us. At least we got some money fro Kilgallon! We'll get fuck all for money. He tell us that he'll sign a new contract, then turns it down. That spell a lack of commitment to me!? Oh dear dear.

I've read that and its complete CRAP, both from a coaching point of view andan amateur assessment.
It is quite obvious that he does not like Montyalmost every point he makes including this bit 'i.e. does he want Harper to cover behind Monty, or does he want him to keep track of his own man? If harper is a good player he makes that decision based on cover at time of incident and proximity to the play etc.
And that is why his reasoning is flawed thus bringing that in to the argument also makes your reasoning flawed on that matter.

You claimed before that you are not a Monty lover, but now you are defending him at all costs. Make your mind up Boo!?

FAO ALL MONTY LOVERS

How do you defend his current actions? He told us hie would sign a new contact and now he turns one down!

 

[Foxy]

How do you defend his current actions? He told us hie would sign a new contact and now he turns one down!

I'm not a "monty lover", but the current situation is, he hasn't agreed terms and discussions are ongoing.

Not that he's turned us down and refusing to sign for us after indicating he wanted to.

If you said to your employer "I'd love to sign a new contract as my current one is coming to an end", then they came to you and had changed terms and numbers to your detriment, would you just sign it or would you say "that's not really what i'm looking for/expected" and discuss it further?

 

[Ollessendro]

I'm not a "monty lover", but the current situation is, he hasn't agreed terms and discussions are ongoing.

Not that he's turned us down and refusing to sign for us after indicating he wanted to.

If you said to your employer "I'd love to sign a new contract as my current one is coming to an end", then they came to you and had changed terms and numbers to your detriment, would you just sign it or would you say "that's not really what i'm looking for/expected" and discuss it further?

good point Foxy, but know it is you who is being presumptious. Whereas I'll admit I was being presumptious before (I was presuming because he didn't sign a contract that he wants to leave) but you are presuming that he has been offered non agreeable terms. Is there any evidence to suggest that he has been offered lesser or changed terms?

 

[Foxy]

but you are presuming that he has been offered non agreeable terms. Is there any evidence to suggest that he has been offered lesser or changed terms?

I'm not, the fact he hasn't signed means that the terms are non-agreeable.

What we can speculate and comment on are whether or not they **should** be agreeable in our opinion.

Discussions haven't yet closed, suggesting that perhaps they aren't too far apart or that one of the parties is willing to comprimise.

I'll try and get an update today from someone firmly in the know on the situation though

However, I'm not sure how much information is available to us mere fans these days, with the club (perhaps rightly so) seeming to be keen to put a stop to the flow of none-official information/opinion

 

[SotonBlade]

However, I'm not sure how much information is available to us mere fans these days, with the club (perhaps rightly so) seeming to be keen to put a stop to the flow of none-official information/opinion

Is there something I don't know about??

 

[Ollessendro]

I'm not, the fact he hasn't signed means that the terms are non-agreeable.

What we can speculate and comment on are whether or not they **should** be agreeable in our opinion.

Discussions haven't yet closed, suggesting that perhaps they aren't too far apart or that one of the parties is willing to comprimise.

Yes but you implied the terms were lesser by asking me the question you did (to which I would answer yes of course).

Anyway, I'M LOOKING FOR THE MONTY LOVERS. WHERE ARE YOU? 3

All those people who were slandering me for questioning Monty's loyalty in this thread (I'll go back through and single you out if I have to). How can you defend your beloved now that he doesn't want to play for us any more?

 

[JohnDenver]

Yes but you implied the terms were lesser by asking me the question you did (to which I would answer yes of course).

Anyway, I'M LOOKING FOR THE MONTY LOVERS. WHERE ARE YOU? 3

All those people who were slandering me for questioning Monty's loyalty in this thread (I'll go back through and single you out if I have to). How can you defend your beloved now that he doesn't want to play for us any more?

Hello there.

I'll defend him because he's done nothing wrong. Will that do?

 

[Ollessendro]

Hello there.

I'll defend him because he's done nothing wrong. Will that do?

He has turned down a new contract and will be on his way in the summer. That's after saying he wanted to sign one. Call that nothing wrong?

 

[Foxy]

Is there something I don't know about??

Not really. But I get the impression that the club are seeking to stop potentially damaging information leaks and details regarding possible signings/future developments etc.

It's gone very quiet, other than the day to day basics.

More of an observation and opinion regarding the reason we might not be hearing as much as we have in the past from a number of angles.

I could be very far off the mark

Yes but you implied the terms were lesser by asking me the question you did (to which I would answer yes of course).

I was giving you a hyperthetical situation as to why he may not have signed yet, based upon the trends brought about by our situation on and off the pitch.

All those people who were slandering me for questioning Monty's loyalty in this thread (I'll go back through and single you out if I have to). How can you defend your beloved now that he doesn't want to play for us any more?

How do you come to the conclusion that Monty doesn't want to play for us any more?

He's commented that he'd love to stay at the club and sign a new contract previously and is still in discussions as to signing another contract.

I do know that despite having something else in common with him, he hasn't gone in with demands to the level of Matt Killgallon

 

[JohnDenver]

He has turned down a new contract and will be on his way in the summer. That's after saying he wanted to sign one. Call that nothing wrong?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all.

He's been a one-club man, but it seems pretty clear we can't match his existing terms, and he's perfectly entitled to see out his contract then seek his fortune elsewhere. If he does so but continues to give his all in the meantime, then I've no issue with that whatsoever.

 

[Robbie]

I stand by my comments that Monty still isn't pulling out of challenges....

Are his performances affected my contract negotiations? I wouldn't say so no, the whole team is playing awful, of which Monty ispart of.

 

[Grecian2000]

I think a lot of people have lost the plot regarding this thread and the "tongue in cheek" nature of its creation.

I'm having a good laugh at it though.

 

[boo radley]

There you go again spouting nonsense ...... 'most people in the thread agree with me and disagree with you, ner ner ner ner ner'

here comes mr aha again

In a way Monty is worse, as he said he would sign a new contract!!? In fact he is really costing us. At least we got some money fro Kilgallon! We'll get fuck all for money. He tell us that he'll sign a new contract, then turns it down. That spell a lack of commitment to me!? Oh dear dear.

Killgalon also lied.

You claimed before that you are not a Monty lover, but now you are defending him at all costs. Make your mind up Boo!?

Assumption + i have no money

FAO ALL MONTY LOVERS

How do you defend his current actions? He told us hie would sign a new contact and now he turns one down!

you wish me to answer your questions? review my recent posts and answer mine do not deflect by giving me questions you answer first.
I answered yours and you havn't the decency to do likewise.

 

[bricktop]

I don't think Monty's loyalty can be called in question here, i think the big question is what the hell is happening at the club if we can't afford his terms and conditions. I wouldn't have thought he would have been asking for much more than £7-8k per week which is probably going rate for a player like him.

Still, it doesn't stop a huge bunfight kicking off between the usual protagonists.

 

[Ollessendro]

you wish me to answer your questions? review my recent posts and answer mine do not deflect by giving me questions you answer first.
I answered yours and you havn't the decency to do likewise.

Ok your highness, I apologise. See below.

What are you rattling on about?

You know full well. Plus I explained it in an ealier post ......

"In the Kilgallon loyalty thread (which you started) you slagged Kilgallon off and questioned his commitment, because he was out of contract. I rather tongue in cheek, and being very pedantic, started this thread questioning Monty's commitment. Remember now?

I brought to light Monty wasn't playing well, making a lot of mistakes, giving away penalties etc and said it could be down to his contract being up (same logic as you questioing Killa). Of course I was being a pedantic arsehole, but now it appears it could be true. My 'conspiracy theory' that Monty was not playing well cos his heart isn't in it, he has fallen out of love with United, he wants to impress other clubs and la de da looks like it could be true!?"

What conspiracy theories?

my tongue in cheek comments that Monty was not playing well because his contract is up, he is trying to impress new employers and is over keen, he is no long committed to the club etc. They could be deemed as conspiracy theories because few people believed them.

who contradicted them in what post?

Not sure what you mean by this.

What is Bergens mistake list?

you've seen it.

and was it before christmas Monty conceeded a penalty?

he has given away 3 penalties. Leicester away, Ipswich at home and the other excapses me. However my lord, I'm sure I can look it up if necessary.

Just remind me of the best two most entertaining games we've played - oh was it the last two at home with that Monty Willo partnership?

The 2 most entertaining home games I'd say were Cardiff and Plymouth, but I'm sure that is not what you meant. If you were looking for our best performances then I'd say Bristol and Palace. Bristol of course had Monty and Willo and Palace Williamson and Harper. Something tells me it was more the Williamson factor that contributed to us playing better in both games.

So According to you he is playing well to try and impress potential new employers and he is playing better than ever - is that what you are saying?

No he is trying too hard and making stupid mistakes (such as giving away 3 penalties this season). Not only that but he doesn't really care about the club and hence despite running around a lot and trying to impress his new employers he isn't that effective. After all his contract is up, he turned down a new one. If he is biding his time to play for another club why should he risk injury by going in too hard? (same logic as Killa pulling out of tackles). In fact I am absolutely certain he would have won that header against Plymouth a few weeks ago if he really cared about United. The way he jumped suggested he didn't really want to get injured and hence he lost the header and they scored a goal.

you really want cover all bases with your statements dont you?

Presume this is rhetorical and have no real clue what you are talking about, but yes!?

who is involved in this consiracy?

Your beloved Nick Montgommery of course!!?



There you go, questions answered. Happy now Boo. You ask a lot of questions. Kind of like an annoying 4 year old child. I don't know if I'll have time to answer the next batch, but i'll do my best.

 

[Bramley]

There you go again spouting nonsense ...... 'most people in the thread agree with me and disagree with you, ner ner ner ner ner'



Why shouldn't I question Monty's loyalty? He has been shit this season and I could easily attribute that to his contract running out in the summer. After all Kilgallon's contract was running out and everyone (particularly Boo) attributed his down turn in form to his lack of commitment (and not signing a new contract). Monty has of course turned down a new contract.

In a way Monty is worse, as he said he would sign a new contract!!? In fact he is really costing us. At least we got some money fro Kilgallon! We'll get fuck all for money. He tell us that he'll sign a new contract, then turns it down. That spell a lack of commitment to me!? Oh dear dear.



You claimed before that you are not a Monty lover, but now you are defending him at all costs. Make your mind up Boo!?

FAO ALL MONTY LOVERS

How do you defend his current actions? He told us hie would sign a new contact and now he turns one down!

Don't you think he's performed well alongside Williamson recently? He's twice the player Harper is.